The Draft
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I support it when the security of the United States itself is in jeapordy. An Iraqi civil war is not such an instance.
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so your willing to let our future generation be automatically put into the military as soon as they turn 18? Personally i dont believe in this and i think that we should never need a draft ever again unless our president gets us into a pointless predicament.
OrganizedChaos
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What if we're attacked in the fashion of Pearl Harbor? What if there's WW3? You think a draft would be pointless in those situations?
A war with any major power, WW3, etc...The point is we don't know when or if we'll need it, and that's why we should keep the ability to use it in case that day ever comes.
Wouldnt a draft only be useful for an invading force?
If we invaded China/Russia, what do you think they would do with all their nuclear tipped missiles?
If we invaded China/Russia, what do you think they would do with all their nuclear tipped missiles?
Sinsear
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From a military perspective, I for one would be opposed to a draft. We have a hard enough time these days training the volunteer recruits who supposedly want to be here. Nothing is more troublesome than the recruits we get these days who wind up getting chaptered out 2-3 months later. So I believe it would be even worse to draft a bunch of people who would be unwilling from the start to serve. Training them would be a pain in the ass, cost the taxpayers untold millions, and possibly be a liability to others. While it worked in past wars such as WW2, I don't foresee that type of cooperation from the XBox generation. While there will be those who step up to the plate and get it done, I believe there would be alot more who would not. Let those of us who want to be here, be here.
The Draft is an old, dumb idea... and pretty much flies in the face of the principles this country was founded upon and strives to achieve. Do you have a right to your own life, or can the gov't (ie, "the people") claim it, and compel you by the barrel of a gun to sacrifice it?
Besides, the last group that wants a Draft is the military, and for very good reason.
Besides, the last group that wants a Draft is the military, and for very good reason.
Brainonska511
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That's not necessarily a good idea. You want to keep some people at home and being educated, particularly in things that would help a war effort (new technologies research, medical advancements, etc...); you never know how long a war will last, so it is important to allow some continuing education to go on to replace the aging, nondraftable population in certain fields.
I would support a draft in a time of true crisis, such as a WWII type scenario.
QuantumPion
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We don't fight wars by throwing hordes of barely trained recruits at hordes of other barely trained recruits. We use 1 highly trained, high-tech equipped pilot to blow the crap out the enemy. And then a small group of volunteer, highly trained special forces to clean up what's left.
If we really need more troops, the president would make a speech saying the country is in dire need and call for americans to volunteer, and would triple the starting salaries and bonuses and such.
Instituting a draft would be a dire last resort, like if the continental US were being invaded or something.
If we really need more troops, the president would make a speech saying the country is in dire need and call for americans to volunteer, and would triple the starting salaries and bonuses and such.
Instituting a draft would be a dire last resort, like if the continental US were being invaded or something.
If we had the draft, I think we would see a tendency for far greater opposition to BS wars like the one we are in now.
In a just and necessary war like WWII, people volunteered in droves as well as the draft.
No exemptions? What would have happened if all of the people at Los Alamos had been drafted (the majority were of draft age)?
BTW, I remember when I couldn't buy a beer unless I showed my draft card. Compulsory service in the country's time of need did not seem so bad.
In a just and necessary war like WWII, people volunteered in droves as well as the draft.
No exemptions? What would have happened if all of the people at Los Alamos had been drafted (the majority were of draft age)?
BTW, I remember when I couldn't buy a beer unless I showed my draft card. Compulsory service in the country's time of need did not seem so bad.
Lemon law
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In WW2 we needed a draft---but the other consideration was that just having the man power is not enough, it tales
both time and equipment to field an army. Thats why the reserves and national guard makes national sense. So you
have that set of training personnel who can be mobilized ready to go in event of national need.
The sad by product of this current Iraq war is that GWB has killed all will for the draft, the reserves, or the national guard.
Who will be so foolish as to allow themselves to be mis-used in the manner GWB has done on a routine basis? With Vietnam it took the military almost 20 years to rehabilitate its public image, this Iraq war may take far longer.
Which puts me in mind of a historical oddity---the same set of songsters who were itching to fight the good fight against Hitler and facism--and here I am talking about people like Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger---became the same people who opposed the cold war and Joe McCarthy---and it was their and others song the Vietnam era protesters sang---and as they now die off---us anti Iraq war types just lack the songs to sing.
both time and equipment to field an army. Thats why the reserves and national guard makes national sense. So you
have that set of training personnel who can be mobilized ready to go in event of national need.
The sad by product of this current Iraq war is that GWB has killed all will for the draft, the reserves, or the national guard.
Who will be so foolish as to allow themselves to be mis-used in the manner GWB has done on a routine basis? With Vietnam it took the military almost 20 years to rehabilitate its public image, this Iraq war may take far longer.
Which puts me in mind of a historical oddity---the same set of songsters who were itching to fight the good fight against Hitler and facism--and here I am talking about people like Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger---became the same people who opposed the cold war and Joe McCarthy---and it was their and others song the Vietnam era protesters sang---and as they now die off---us anti Iraq war types just lack the songs to sing.
I agree with what you are saying, but what we can't have is the Vietnam version of the draft so that we only have the poor kids going off to fight.
Also, I'll add the caveat that this draft would only be used in a WWII type situation and not a war of choice, a la Iraq.
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