The dodge magnum is sweet, as you know, but it's annoying you can't ONLY get the 3.5 V6 option.

[thomsbrain]

i would definetely not buy that car for a family. have you seen the size of the usable storage space? appalling for a car of such size. also it's got a huge case of the brittle plastic going on. my family went down the dodge station wagon road once when i was a kid. never again. there's a good reason they're #3 of the Big 3.

that same $27K will get you a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with the same horsepower/torque but more than 500 pounds less blubber, better handling, manual transmission, AWD, and MORE storage space with the seats up (and you'll need them up when hauling mini skoorb). that's not just on paper either. take a look in the back of each of those cars and the actual usable space in the Legacy is VASTLY greater than the Magnum. you'll be less of a cop target (i see magnums pulled over all the time), and my guess is the resale would be better on the Legacy in the long run. fuel economy is almost identical for the two cars. The Legacy's interior is a lot nicer and more refined in general, and it has better materials. The Magnum has styling cues literally taken straight out my parent's long-gone K car. Yeah, cause K cars were soooooo cool.

 

[Pocatello]

I would opt for the V-8, 3K more is a lot of money, but it's worth it. The Magnum without a V-8 is still a good car, but I rather have a Pacifica or a Legacy.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i would definetely not buy that car for a family. have you seen the size of the usable storage space? appalling for a car of such size. also it's got a huge case of the brittle plastic going on. my family went down the dodge station wagon road once when i was a kid. never again. there's a good reason they're #3 of the Big 3.

that same $27K will get you a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with the same horsepower/torque but more than 500 pounds less blubber, better handling, manual transmission, AWD, and MORE storage space with the seats up (and you'll need them up when hauling mini skoorb). that's not just on paper either. take a look in the back of each of those cars and the actual usable space in the Legacy is VASTLY greater than the Magnum. you'll be less of a cop target (i see magnums pulled over all the time), and my guess is the resale would be better on the Legacy in the long run. fuel economy is almost identical for the two cars. The Legacy's interior is a lot nicer and more refined in general, and it has better materials. The Magnum has styling cues literally taken straight out my parent's long-gone K car. Yeah, cause K cars were soooooo cool.

You're probably right. the magnum is a full size vehicle though and I don't think the legacy is. It's uglier than sin too, but other than appearance and maybe passenger room it is a better vehicle in all other ways.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i would definetely not buy that car for a family. have you seen the size of the usable storage space? appalling for a car of such size. also it's got a huge case of the brittle plastic going on. my family went down the dodge station wagon road once when i was a kid. never again. there's a good reason they're #3 of the Big 3.

that same $27K will get you a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with the same horsepower/torque but more than 500 pounds less blubber, better handling, manual transmission, AWD, and MORE storage space with the seats up (and you'll need them up when hauling mini skoorb). that's not just on paper either. take a look in the back of each of those cars and the actual usable space in the Legacy is VASTLY greater than the Magnum. you'll be less of a cop target (i see magnums pulled over all the time), and my guess is the resale would be better on the Legacy in the long run. fuel economy is almost identical for the two cars. The Legacy's interior is a lot nicer and more refined in general, and it has better materials. The Magnum has styling cues literally taken straight out my parent's long-gone K car. Yeah, cause K cars were soooooo cool.

Lets not forget that the Legacy GT requires premium fuel, as well. And Edmunds seems to think that the Magnum has more cargo room. Your theory that the police target Dodge wagons is simply retarded, and your beliefs about it's design cues shows that you are anti-domestic, no matter what, so who gives any validity to your comments?

 

[iamwiz82]

BTW, I would guess you could get a Magnum for about $24k after rebate and haggling.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

It isn't going to make it un-streetable, i'd say quite the opposite infact...

Oh it's very streetable in terms of comfort, and it might be useable once in a blue moon, but if you're giving it full throttle more than once in a blue moon you'll see blue lights behind you soon enough. I can't even drive my maximas hard without wondering if po-po is going to get me!

see, that's when you get more handling, and more HP so you don't have to worry about the po po catching you

 

[GoingUp]

Just have me buy one for you Shmabbles

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: shimsham
dodge sucks. their larger engines/trucks may be good, but their cars are pieces of shat.

Yep.

 

[vi edit]

And Edmunds seems to think that the Magnum has more cargo room.

Numbers don't mean everything. There's a big difference between available and useable. Volume measurements don't take into account narrow hatch areas, short hatch heights, raking roof lines, or obtrusive rear suspension/wheel wells.

I haven't *personally* looked at the hatch area of the magnum, but many reviewers and people considering purchase have noted the hatch area as a negative point due to poor use of space and the roof line cutting into the functionalit of the hatch.

Not all wagons are created equal. And not all numbers tell the truth.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i would definetely not buy that car for a family. have you seen the size of the usable storage space? appalling for a car of such size. also it's got a huge case of the brittle plastic going on. my family went down the dodge station wagon road once when i was a kid. never again. there's a good reason they're #3 of the Big 3.

that same $27K will get you a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with the same horsepower/torque but more than 500 pounds less blubber, better handling, manual transmission, AWD, and MORE storage space with the seats up (and you'll need them up when hauling mini skoorb). that's not just on paper either. take a look in the back of each of those cars and the actual usable space in the Legacy is VASTLY greater than the Magnum. you'll be less of a cop target (i see magnums pulled over all the time), and my guess is the resale would be better on the Legacy in the long run. fuel economy is almost identical for the two cars. The Legacy's interior is a lot nicer and more refined in general, and it has better materials. The Magnum has styling cues literally taken straight out my parent's long-gone K car. Yeah, cause K cars were soooooo cool.

Daimler-Chrysler was the only one of the big 3 to add market share in the past year.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...3&item=7948749727&rd=1

Honda Civic HEMI MAGNUM

- M4H

HEHE I'm going to buy that and smack it on my K-Car and watch for the reactions

I always wanted to put a 5.0 badge on my k car

 

[brigden]

American cars aren't sporty to begin with, so why care?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So sue me, these are sweet cars. The hemi is obviously the nice one, but this is a family car and who can make use of 340 HP on public roads anyway? That leaves the 2.7 and 3.5 L v6s with 190, 250 HP. 190 with an automatic transmission and a car weighing close to 4000 lbs is not gonna cut it, but 250 HP would. Unfortunately you have to buy other crap packages, which brings the bottom line MSRP of about $22-23k up to 27k, which is only $3k short of the V8. How damnable!

I really do hate that...

There are several cars that I am interested in that if given the choice, I would get the base model and just add the better engine and suspension...but they won't let you do that without also adding the sunroof, spoiler, leather seats, etc. :|

 

[Farbio]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

85K miles is aging? Is this some veedub thing?

Nah, I just want to get rid of it while it still has some value left in it. I'd ideally want to dump it before the new Passats hit the lots and it hits the 100k mark. It will just rapidly plummet in value once those hit.

in my experience it is a veedub thing, i was lucky mine made 96k miles before it died completely. just get a mazdaspeed 6 vi, u know u want one!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So sue me, these are sweet cars. The hemi is obviously the nice one, but this is a family car and who can make use of 340 HP on public roads anyway? That leaves the 2.7 and 3.5 L v6s with 190, 250 HP. 190 with an automatic transmission and a car weighing close to 4000 lbs is not gonna cut it, but 250 HP would. Unfortunately you have to buy other crap packages, which brings the bottom line MSRP of about $22-23k up to 27k, which is only $3k short of the V8. How damnable!

I really do hate that...

There are several cars that I am interested in that if given the choice, I would get the base model and just add the better engine and suspension...but they won't let you do that without also adding the sunroof, spoiler, leather seats, etc. :|

Or worse, an automatic transmission.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I'd prefer a Legacy GT

 

[StageLeft]

Just confirmed that the subarus are indeed midsize. No way in hell I'd buy a new car the same size just for a larger trunk. There are no fullsize wagons in the same pricerange as the magnum are there?

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

...I tell you if I had about $30k right now I'd just buy the V8 version and be done with it. Still keep one maxima though

Don't you think, when you go to sell it, you'll recover most of that premium, if you opt for the V8 now?

 

[Emrys]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Just confirmed that the subarus are indeed midsize. No way in hell I'd buy a new car the same size just for a larger trunk. There are no fullsize wagons in the same pricerange as the magnum are there?

Just get an old buick roadmaster.
That would take care of you.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
i would definetely not buy that car for a family. have you seen the size of the usable storage space? appalling for a car of such size. also it's got a huge case of the brittle plastic going on. my family went down the dodge station wagon road once when i was a kid. never again. there's a good reason they're #3 of the Big 3.

that same $27K will get you a Subaru Legacy GT wagon with the same horsepower/torque but more than 500 pounds less blubber, better handling, manual transmission, AWD, and MORE storage space with the seats up (and you'll need them up when hauling mini skoorb). that's not just on paper either. take a look in the back of each of those cars and the actual usable space in the Legacy is VASTLY greater than the Magnum. you'll be less of a cop target (i see magnums pulled over all the time), and my guess is the resale would be better on the Legacy in the long run. fuel economy is almost identical for the two cars. The Legacy's interior is a lot nicer and more refined in general, and it has better materials. The Magnum has styling cues literally taken straight out my parent's long-gone K car. Yeah, cause K cars were soooooo cool.

Lets not forget that the Legacy GT requires premium fuel, as well. And Edmunds seems to think that the Magnum has more cargo room. Your theory that the police target Dodge wagons is simply retarded, and your beliefs about it's design cues shows that you are anti-domestic, no matter what, so who gives any validity to your comments?

read edmunds again, dumbass. i said WITH THE SEAT UP. which is the only way skoorb would be driving it if he's got the kid in the back seat. the legacy has both more luggage space on paper (23% more, actually) and that room is more usable. the magnum's cargo bay is a narrow sliver of free space between ridiculous plastic molding, whereas the legacy's is a wide and deep expanse of carpeted space.

i didn't say police target dodge wagons, i said it seems like they target the Magnum specifically. why? because there are far less of them on the road than there are Legacys, yet I see one pulled over once a week and I can't recall a single instance of seeing a Legacy being pulled over. you've got a car with "look at me" styling, a huge marketing campaign to make sure everyone knows that you can get them with gobs of power (and cops are exactly the type of people they are focusing on), and big demand from the minority market.

i'm not anti-domestic, i'm anti-suck. the worst part of our K-car was the engine. it was made by mitsubishi. it was japanese, and i have no qualms saying it was the crappiest engine i've ever seen. several family members have driven mercedes-benz's over the years, and i've hated them all. i'm an equal opportunity hater.

as for the design cues, choosing an awful car from the 80's to echo is not my idea of cool retro, no matter who made it. seriously, it's like ford styling their next focus with cues from a tempo.

 

[Modeps]

I dig the Magnum. Of course, I think it's funny that it's just a sleek looking STATION WAGON! But they wont call it that, because station wagons arent hip... you know, hip like the xB.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Hehe..no 6-man option for the '06 Dodge Charger either.

 

[GoingUp]

Shmabbles just take a road trip up to Detroit rock city and stay with me. I'll see what kind of discount I can get you

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Just confirmed that the subarus are indeed midsize. No way in hell I'd buy a new car the same size just for a larger trunk. There are no fullsize wagons in the same pricerange as the magnum are there?

well, your whole family fits in the maxima, right? why would you possibly need a bigger vehicle than the already pretty big maxima if not for more luggage space? if you really want fullsize, and you want a wagon rather than SUV or minivan, i think you're either looking at the taurus wagon, or you're going to have spend a little more money and get a volvo or something. i've never seen the trunk of the maxima but my guess is you can cram more in it than in the magnum. seriously, just go look at one and you'll see what i mean.

the magnum is cool looking from the outside, but without the hemi to redeem the poor interior, i just couldn't see buying one for a family. just my 2 cents, of course. i'm no expert on your needs or tastes.