The Digital Millenium Copyright Act taken to a whole new level--ACTA

[alphatarget1]

how about people respect intellectual property and stop downloading everything that they should instead be paying for?


goes both ways.

No it doesn't. This is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment and 4th Amendment of the US Constitution.

If you assume most people steal crap for the internet, why don't they push for a tax for internet services that would reimburse copyright people for their "losses"? I find that much more swallowable than giving the government a blank check on prosecuting people for thought crimes.

Sieg Heil Obama.

 

[Ns1]

So I should face having them search my computer without a warrant because I happen to visit a site that has Copyrighted Material for access? And if I refuse they can fine me even if I am innocent which I can assure you I would be.

no

if you would read what I said, I said that I do not agree with this act

What I did say is that consumers should bear some responsibility.

No it doesn't. This is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment and 4th Amendment of the US Constitution.

See my statement above

If you assume most people steal crap for the internet

what the hell does this even mean?

 

[BoberFett]

how about people respect intellectual property and stop downloading everything that they should instead be paying for?


goes both ways.

When copyright goes back to 14/28 years I'll be open to discussing punishment for copyright violations. Until then, blow me.

 

[alphatarget1]

I agre 100% people need to stop stealing shit.

but that does not give them the right to come into your house or scan your computer WITHOUT A WARRENT. we have courts and procedure's for stuff for a reason.

We are sopposed to have rights. to give them up to a COMPANY is bullshit and the cowards way out.

they want to stop it? i'm all for a legal and constitutional investigation.

IF this does pass i would expect to be shot down in a few years because it is against the Constitution.

For those who swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

Stand up and defend the Constitution against Obama bin Biden.

 

[Ns1]

n/m

 

[Red Dawn]

no

if you would read what I said, I said that I do not agree with this act

What I did say is that consumers should bear some responsibility.





what the hell does this even mean?

Yeah, why's that? It's the thief that's caused this not your average consumer.

 

[xj0hnx]

So I should face having them search my computer without a warrant because I happen to visit a site that has Copyrighted Material for access? And if I refuse they can fine me even if I am innocent which I can assure you I would be.

If you were in a house visiting a friend, and that house had 2 metric tons of cocaine, and a cache of Ak47's, and the police raided it would be caught up in the sweep? Or better yet, a house full of counterfeit goods?

I agre 100% people need to stop stealing shit.

but that does not give them the right to come into your house or scan your computer WITHOUT A WARRENT. we have courts and procedure's for stuff for a reason.

We are sopposed to have rights. to give them up to a COMPANY is bullshit and the cowards way out.

they want to stop it? i'm all for a legal and constitutional investigation.

IF this does pass i would expect to be shot down in a few years because it is against the Constitution.

You're right, it doesn't give them the right, that will be all on your elected representatives if they let this crap pass. I personaly think that anyone that produces a product in a digital medium should just expect that a certain percentage is going to download it for free, and just move on with their lives, however that doesn't mean that I can't see where they are coming from. I mean I can literally go right now and download anything from programs, to blu-rays, to any operating system, or e-book, any song I want, album, even shit that hasn't been released for sale yet, why do people think they can just keeping stealing and nothing will ever happen? More importantly, what recourse do those people creating the property have? I think the law is terrible, and most certainly should never see the light of day, but I also understand that it is because people just won't stop stealing everything they can.

 

[PingSpike]

How the fuck is the RIAA able to pay for all this lobbying when they have no profits due to all the piracy!?

 

[xj0hnx]

How about fuck you?

Copyright has become an abomination. Society is built on the ideas of those who have come before us. The fact that our now nearly eternal copyright allows corporations to lock it up so nobody else can use it doesn't bother you?

Nope, doesn't bother me in the least. Just because you want something doesn't mean you get to just steal it, so how about fuck you.

 

[Red Dawn]

If you were in a house visiting a friend, and that house had 2 metric tons of cocaine, and a cache of Ak47's, and the police raided it would be caught up in the sweep? Or better yet, a house full of counterfeit goods?



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Not without a warrant.

 

[waggy]

no

if you would read what I said, I said that I do not agree with this act

What I did say is that consumers should bear some responsibility.

what responsibility do i as a honest consumer (wich i am. i do not pirate anything) have with this? i am doing what i am supposed to and that is buy my games, music and movies legally.

so again why should i have to agree to having my computer searched and if i refuse fined?

ok so you say if you are innocent you have nothing to worry about. well that's bullshit. The riaa has sued the wrong person MANY MANY TIMES. not to mention what if i go to say deamonoid to get TV shows (wich IS NOT piracy) are they going to come nail me?

this law is bullshit. though i don't expect to stay IF passed. its just not lawful.

 

[Anarchist420]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

 

[waggy]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

i disagree. why should you be allowed to copy a friends game or movie?

i do think we should still be able to make backups and such.

 

[xj0hnx]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

All your stealing has done is drive the industry to the edge of creating legislature to infringe on your liberties. You have only yourself to blame that you want everything for free. Digital welfare case.

 

[xj0hnx]

i do think we should still be able to make backups and such.

Unfortunately that's not all it's about, if it were we'd see an entirely different landscape.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

I was going to put up a thought out response to your post.

Then I saw your user name and realized it would be a waste of electrons.

 

[Ns1]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

yeah damn people! their expectation of making money for all their hard work and investment is BULLSHIT.

 

[MotF Bane]

IP laws need to be abolished outright, I'm sick of going in the direction exactly opposite of that. Copying shouldn't be illegal under any circumstance.

All of these damn copyright laws have done is hurt the general public.

No.

 

[BoberFett]

yeah damn people! their expectation of making money for all their hard work and investment is BULLSHIT.

Are you still paying the inventors of the Roman alphabet every time you post? Why not? Why are you stealing their hard work?

 

[Ns1]

Are you still paying the inventors of the Roman alphabet every time you post? Why not? Why are you stealing their hard work?

I downloaded it from a torrent

 

[Sclamoz]

yeah damn people! their expectation of making money for all their hard work and investment is BULLSHIT.

Yes because piracy is obviously driving directors, actors and recording artists into poverty.

"I tell the prosecutors and the police officers that I work with all the time. 'Use this type of crime as a tool. This might lead you to a drug investigation. It might allow you to have a probable cause for a drug house. You couldn't get in before, but now you can get in by purchasing, doing undercover purchases of CDs.' It also has links to some terrorist organizations for those federal prosecutors out there, as number of cases they're working on right now, but what we were saying is also a link to selling drugs with the CDs."

Deborah Robinson - Regional Counsel, Anti-Piracy Div., RIAA

This is a law to allow law enforcement to come into anyone's home at anytime without a warrant. You can violate it with out ever knowing or trying and have no way of proving your innocence to keep them out.

 

[Ns1]

Yes because piracy is obviously driving directors, actors and recording artists into poverty.

Doesn't change the fact that IP holders should be rewarded for their work and investment.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Doesn't change the fact that IP holders should be rewarded for their work and investment.

The problem is that the IP holders are rarely the artists that produced the works. Here's an article describing how the wonderful world of RIAA music works.

Once that sinks in, check out How To Give Away Your Music For Free, And Still Make Money. If the RIAA had their way these options would never be possible, and they would still rake in the dough while the artists barely make anything.

Let's also note how well the RIAA labels pay their artists when the labels collect copyright-infringement settlements.

So who will really be protected by legislation like ACTA, the artists or their labels? Is their really anything wrong with sharing music for free if the actual artists ultimately make more money in the long run?

EDIT > One final note: The record labels themselves are one of the biggest pirates, yet I'm sure ACTA would never apply to them. Major Labels Accused Of $6 Billion Worth Of Copyright Infringement In Canada

 

[Ns1]

The problem is that the IP holders are rarely the artists that produced the works.

...because they got funded by the company to make said work.

Ex1)
I advance you 1 million dollars, you make me an album. I own said album so I can exploit it anyway I wish.

//edit

I see that your article leaves out 1 very important fact, that artists get paid by companies before producing work and not merely as a factor of album sales.

Ex2)
You make the product WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, you market the product WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, you own the product.

The artist MAKES the product, and should be rewarded. The company INVESTS in the artist, and should be rewarded.

 

[piasabird]

Copyrights should be limited to 5 years. For networks once you air it on TV, the copyright should be null and void. Same for movies.