The differences between Tea Party protest today and those of the real American Revolution

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Notwithstanding that the guy was not actually at the Obama event,

... are you afraid of legally armed peaceful protesters?

Yes, he was. He was in the vicinity of the Obama appearance. What I have a problem with is armed protesters who appears to be threatening violent revolution. And that's exactly the picture you get with this guy.

With that train of thought, I was in the vicinity of the Obama event, though I was approximately 600 miles away (and armed.)

I and tens of thousands of legally armed Americans live and work within only a couple of miles of the White House!

Virginia, like New Hampshire, sees no problem with open carry (exposed weapon) and citizens there are within spittin' distance of DC. That is, if you feel you need to spit across the Potomac River.

Open Carry Legal Reference - Virginia

Some pics showing what is considered "open carry" in Virginia

LOTS of Virgina citizens came to DC for the 9/12 March On Washington, including lots of gun owners (a vastly increasing segment of the population here and elsewhere.)

The NRA Headquarters is located at 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030.

Are you more or less scared now?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Notwithstanding that the guy was not actually at the Obama event,

... are you afraid of legally armed peaceful protesters?

Yes, he was. He was in the vicinity of the Obama appearance. What I have a problem with is armed protesters who appears to be threatening violent revolution. And that's exactly the picture you get with this guy.

With that train of thought, I was in the vicinity of the Obama event, though I was approximately 600 miles away (and armed.)

I and tens of thousands of legally armed Americans live and work within only a couple of miles of the White House!

Virginia, like New Hampshire, sees no problem with open carry (exposed weapon) and citizens there are within spittin' distance of DC. That is, if you feel you need to spit across the Potomac River.

Open Carry Legal Reference - Virginia

Some pics showing what is considered "open carry" in Virginia

LOTS of Virgina citizens came to DC for the 9/12 March On Washington, including lots of gun owners (a vastly increasing segment of the population here and elsewhere.)

The NRA Headquarters is located at 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030.

Are you more or less scared now?

WTF are you going on about now? Look, why don't you go research exactly WHERE this guy was positioned? He wasn't 600 miles away, he was on private property right in the midst of the anti-Obama protesters, right in the immediate vicinity of the event.

Go get your facts straight and stop pretending like I have an issue with guns, because I don't.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Notwithstanding that the guy was not actually at the Obama event,

... are you afraid of legally armed peaceful protesters?

Yes, he was. He was in the vicinity of the Obama appearance. What I have a problem with is armed protesters who appears to be threatening violent revolution. And that's exactly the picture you get with this guy.

With that train of thought, I was in the vicinity of the Obama event, though I was approximately 600 miles away (and armed.)

I and tens of thousands of legally armed Americans live and work within only a couple of miles of the White House!

Virginia, like New Hampshire, sees no problem with open carry (exposed weapon) and citizens there are within spittin' distance of DC. That is, if you feel you need to spit across the Potomac River.

Open Carry Legal Reference - Virginia

Some pics showing what is considered "open carry" in Virginia

LOTS of Virgina citizens came to DC for the 9/12 March On Washington, including lots of gun owners (a vastly increasing segment of the population here and elsewhere.)

The NRA Headquarters is located at 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030.

Are you more or less scared now?

WTF are you going on about now? Look, why don't you go research exactly WHERE this guy was positioned? He wasn't 600 miles away, he was on private property right in the midst of the anti-Obama protesters, right in the immediate vicinity of the event.

Go get your facts straight and stop pretending like I have an issue with guns, because I don't.

I don't want to worry you so much, but did you know that Virginia was a secessionist (aka revolutionary) State in the American Civil War (aka The War Between The States), while New Hampshire was not?

And that they actually TRAIN military officer candidates at the Virginia Military Institute (VMI), the Nation' s oldest State-supported military college, sort of like the USMA at West Point, NY?

And that many of these candidates become officers of the U.S. military and then serve in the Military District of Washington, DC?

And many of these officers and other assorted service men and women actually serve under arms?

Are you more or less scared now?

EDIT: Sorry, I have to go out and see a movie about Woodstock right now. Peace. Out.

 

[DealMonkey]

Dude, STFU. You've managed to become an even stupider parody of yourself.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Dude, STFU. You've managed to become an even stupider parody of yourself.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I don't want to worry you so much, but did you know that Virginia was a secessionist (aka revolutionary) State in the American Civil War (aka The War Between The States), while New Hampshire was not?

And that they actually TRAIN military officer candidates at the Virginia Military Institute (VMI), the Nation' s oldest State-supported military college, sort of like the USMA at West Point, NY?

And that many of these candidates become officers of the U.S. military and then serve in the Military District of Washington, DC?

And many of these officers and other assorted service men and women actually serve under arms?

Are you more or less scared now?

EDIT: Sorry, I have to go out and see a movie about Woodstock right now. Peace. Out.

If you can't see the difference between your examples and his, you're a moron. If you can, then you're a jackass. Which is it?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

The differences between Tea Party protest today and those of the real American Revolution

The American Revolutionaries were Patriots, the Tea Baggers are uninformed morons, many with racist motives.

keep telling it to yourself and one day it make become true; buy a couple lottery tickets while you're at it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

The differences between Tea Party protest today and those of the real American Revolution

The American Revolutionaries were Patriots, the Tea Baggers are uninformed morons, many with racist motives.

keep telling it to yourself and one day it make become true; buy a couple lottery tickets while you're at it.

Psst, Earth to Loopy, many doesn't mean most.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Dude, STFU. You've managed to become an even stupider parody of yourself.

x3

 

[Modelworks]

The large amount of people that showed up for the DC tea party did show that there are many people unhappy enough with the government to spend time and money to travel there , many who had never done anything like this before. I see many people saying , well you can vote and that is freedom, well it is and it isn't. It is true we can vote for whoever we like and nobody makes us vote for anyone , but that is where the freedom ends with what the government does. The problem with this is that you are trusting the person you elect to stay true to what they said while campaigning . Everyone has seen politicians that say one thing, then after being elected do things entirely different. Once they are elected the people that voted for them get screwed if that elected official doesn't come through. So for 2-4 years the voters are stuck with someone that deceived them with little recourse to do anything about it.

I would like to see some form of truth law. If you say it to the voters and do not do it in office or go against what you said when campaigning then you are penalized while in office. The way it works now , if someone gets elected they can do what they please and there isn't a thing a voter can do about it except not vote for them next time. During that time the elected people have free control to do what they want while the voter gets screwed. The current voting system rewards good actors not good choices.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

Exactly. This thread is a perfect example of the intellectual depravity of partisan extremists.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

Exactly. This thread is a perfect example of the intellectual depravity of partisan extremists.

I, for one, don't appreciate the hijacking of our nation's great patriots. As I said, feel free to ride a horse, just don't call yourself Paul Revere. Angry fringe groups calling themselves the "tea party" or "the minutemen" diminish the real patriots of our country's history.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

Exactly. This thread is a perfect example of the intellectual depravity of partisan extremists.

I, for one, don't appreciate the hijacking of our nation's great patriots. As I said, feel free to ride a horse, just don't call yourself Paul Revere. Angry fringe groups calling themselves the "tea party" or "the minutemen" diminish the real patriots of our country's history.

It's a crying shame....boo hoo. :roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

Exactly. This thread is a perfect example of the intellectual depravity of partisan extremists.

I, for one, don't appreciate the hijacking of our nation's great patriots. As I said, feel free to ride a horse, just don't call yourself Paul Revere. Angry fringe groups calling themselves the "tea party" or "the minutemen" diminish the real patriots of our country's history.

It's a crying shame....boo hoo. :roll:

Wow, how intellectual of you! :roll:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The problem with this whole thread is that is sets up a false comparison of widely different events and then wastes time and energy gratuitously indulging in all sorts of castigating examples and terms to prove what?

To prove you can have an online circle jerk?

Exactly. This thread is a perfect example of the intellectual depravity of partisan extremists.

I, for one, don't appreciate the hijacking of our nation's great patriots. As I said, feel free to ride a horse, just don't call yourself Paul Revere. Angry fringe groups calling themselves the "tea party" or "the minutemen" diminish the real patriots of our country's history.

It's a crying shame....boo hoo. :roll:

Wow, how intellectual of you! :roll:

Look...I've already made my point. What more do you want? I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...but doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this thread for what it is.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Look...I've already made my point. What more do you want? I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...but doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this thread for what it is.

An accurate portrayal of the co-opting of the 'tea party' by the GOP ?

It'ss the same ol' shit-message from the republicans.

NEWS FLASH

Your patriotism is not greater than mine. Jingoism and 'tax cuts' does not define patriotism. The ignorance of the TBs is a shit-stain on America.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
No you don't, you had an opportunity to vote in a free and fair election, and whoever you supported lost. Just because your candidate didn't win doesn't mean you aren't represented.

I would be interested to hear what 'will of the majority' you think your representatives are not acting upon.

The Iraqi people could vote, and Saddam always won - fancy that.

You can call our elections free and fair, but the ballot box is stacked before we vote.

As for the majority, have you seen Congressional approval ratings? People don't like what is or isn't happening on Capital Hill.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123...cord-Low-Approval.aspx

Not quite the lows we saw last year and I admit it is higher than I expected, but it still clearly indicates a nation not happy with its representation.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Look...I've already made my point. What more do you want? I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...but doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this thread for what it is.

An accurate portrayal of the co-opting of the 'tea party' by the GOP ?

It'ss the same ol' shit-message from the republicans.

NEWS FLASH

Your patriotism is not greater than mine. Jingoism and 'tax cuts' does not define patriotism. The ignorance of the TBs is a shit-stain on America.

IMO...extrapolating from a few to justify sweeping stereotypes and marginalization of entire groups of people is the epitome of ignorance and the true "shit-stain on America".

"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eskimospy
No you don't, you had an opportunity to vote in a free and fair election, and whoever you supported lost. Just because your candidate didn't win doesn't mean you aren't represented.

I would be interested to hear what 'will of the majority' you think your representatives are not acting upon.

The Iraqi people could vote, and Saddam always won - fancy that.

You can call our elections free and fair, but the ballot box is stacked before we vote.

As for the majority, have you seen Congressional approval ratings? People don't like what is or isn't happening on Capital Hill.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123...cord-Low-Approval.aspx

Not quite the lows we saw last year and I admit it is higher than I expected, but it still clearly indicates a nation not happy with its representation.

In what way is our ballot box stacked? If you have a problem with the two party system, don't blame the parties, blame the writers of the Constitution. Furthermore, can you point me to a political party who has aggregate positions that are more popular on the whole than either one of those two parties? If you can't, then there is doubly no problem as either the most popular or the second most popular party is winning.

Your poll about congress is also not valid. Disapproval of Congress as an institution does not equal disapproval of individual representation. If you look at the approval ratings of individual representatives by their constituencies, they are frequently quite high. THAT is the actual measure of people's satisfaction with their representation. Unless you plan on changing the entire structure of the US government to make Congress into some sort of nationwide PR elected body, it's not a national representative body, but a collection of state and district representatives. (this would further serve to destroy state's rights however and as I'm guessing you're for them, so be careful what you wish for)

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I can only imagine how your argument might have been the polar opposite had this been a Bush appearance during one of his two terms.

Having lived in Texas, and having met George W. Bush several times, and been at many more events which he attended, I can tell you that both when he was governor, and when he was president, no one with a concealed handgun license was ever hassled for carrying around him. The Texas concealed handgun law was his campaign promise to Texas. He signed it as soon as he was elected.

Liberals are just scared of guns, and the idea of an armed people tearing down a big government.

I have no problem with guns, what I have a problem with is partisan idiots showing up at the President's events advocating violent revolution, while meanwhile Obama racks up the most death threats for any president in recent history. I think the President's safety trumps the citizen's rights to carry a weapon in his vicinity. And for the record, I would say the same exact thing if we were talking about Bush or any other President.

I think Bush and I grew up in the America where we're all created equal. There isn't a caste system where politicians are special people with special bubbles of rules and regulations that follow them wherever they go.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I can only imagine how your argument might have been the polar opposite had this been a Bush appearance during one of his two terms.

Having lived in Texas, and having met George W. Bush several times, and been at many more events which he attended, I can tell you that both when he was governor, and when he was president, no one with a concealed handgun license was ever hassled for carrying around him. The Texas concealed handgun law was his campaign promise to Texas. He signed it as soon as he was elected.

Liberals are just scared of guns, and the idea of an armed people tearing down a big government.

I have no problem with guns, what I have a problem with is partisan idiots showing up at the President's events advocating violent revolution, while meanwhile Obama racks up the most death threats for any president in recent history. I think the President's safety trumps the citizen's rights to carry a weapon in his vicinity. And for the record, I would say the same exact thing if we were talking about Bush or any other President.

I think Bush and I grew up in the America where we're all created equal. There isn't a caste system where politicians are special people with special bubbles of rules and regulations that follow them wherever they go.

I wouldn't use Bush Jr. as a model example of functioning meritocracy.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The large amount of people that showed up for the DC tea party did show that there are many people unhappy enough with the government to spend time and money to travel there , many who had never done anything like this before. I see many people saying , well you can vote and that is freedom, well it is and it isn't. It is true we can vote for whoever we like and nobody makes us vote for anyone , but that is where the freedom ends with what the government does. The problem with this is that you are trusting the person you elect to stay true to what they said while campaigning . Everyone has seen politicians that say one thing, then after being elected do things entirely different. Once they are elected the people that voted for them get screwed if that elected official doesn't come through. So for 2-4 years the voters are stuck with someone that deceived them with little recourse to do anything about it.

I would like to see some form of truth law. If you say it to the voters and do not do it in office or go against what you said when campaigning then you are penalized while in office. The way it works now , if someone gets elected they can do what they please and there isn't a thing a voter can do about it except not vote for them next time. During that time the elected people have free control to do what they want while the voter gets screwed. The current voting system rewards good actors not good choices.

And who would enforce the rule? Who would decide whether a politician had done too little?

 

[sportage]

The differences between Tea Party protest today and those of the real American Revolution

For one thing, the real revolution didn?t have some Fox News hack stirring up the crowd to make "better tabloid news".

If that doesn?t reduce Faux News to the same level as a terrorist organization out to destroy the American way... I don't know what does.

The free press is "suppose" to be just that. Their obligation is to report news, not make up news, nor distort news.
When you consider that the American free press is the only source of truth in news available to the people, the only source of print, television, radio and media reporting news.
Unless you can personally visit congress and hear every debate word for word, the news media is your only source on just what is happening.

When a news outlet attempts to falsify news to push their agenda (i.e. fox), they not only should be forced to remove the title "NEWS" from their logo, they should be tried as traitors to the US goverment, and as traitors to the people who trust that outlet for their news.

Talk about communist propaganda tactics... Faux news. There you have it!!!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: sportage

The differences between Tea Party protest today and those of the real American Revolution

For one thing, the real revolution didn?t have some Fox News hack stirring up the crowd to make "better tabloid news".

If that doesn?t reduce Faux News to the same level as a terrorist organization out to destroy the American way... I don't know what does.

The free press is "suppose" to be just that. Their obligation is to report news, not make up news, nor distort news.
When you consider that the American free press is the only source of truth in news available to the people, the only source of print, television, radio and media reporting news.
Unless you can personally visit congress and hear every debate word for word, the news media is your only source on just what is happening.

When a news outlet attempts to falsify news to push their agenda (i.e. fox), they not only should be forced to remove the title "NEWS" from their logo, they should be tried as traitors to the US goverment, and as traitors to the people who trust that outlet for their news.

Talk about communist propaganda tactics... Faux news. There you have it!!!

Faux news is an example of money buying public opinion.

For years when Faux was started, they lost money - something others can't afford, but with right-wing backing Faux could.

So they were the only cable show getting on the air by *paying* the cable networks to carry them - while the norm was for the cable providers to pay for the shows.

They had the big bucks to force Fox on people for years - and develop the market.