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the difference between Nascar and Formula 1
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Gillbot
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Well, what I mean is driving is fun. Watching others drive around the same area for hours at a time though is not fun. A big oval, or turns, it's not different enough to me to be interesting at all.
I agree with you in that I have no interest in watching either, but F1 engineering in particular is phenomenally impressive.
JulesMaximus
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Watching drivers with the skill to pilot an F1 car at the limit for an entire race is entertaining provided it is competitive. There have been a couple boring F1 races this season but overall it has been one of the best seasons ever.
Nascar is always mindless and boring... kind of like your posts.
A couple of things about this, Red Bull had a Nascar team until pretty recently, and the F1 pit stops are closer to sub 3 seconds most of the time now. Salaries are not including bonuses for winning races either, but I think that's what they're going for. Also, a 5 mph difference in top speed is misleading.
halik
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alexruiz
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Interesting chart, but as others have pointed out, it is plagued with errors and omissions. The most telling stats, times and g forces during acceleration and braking are not shown, and the salaries are completely wrong. The nascar drivers salary shown is in fact total income, including winning and endorsements. The F1 drivers are showing base salary only, bonuses and endorsements missing. The best paid driver in nascar as far as salary was JJ if my memory serves me right, and he was at aprox $8m or so. Most of their money is endorsements.
On the other hand, Hammy at $20m only? When he re-signed with McLaren in 2008, his contract was rumored between $20 and $40 million UK pounds a year, meaning anywhere between $40 and $80 million USD. Add his massive endorsements, and the guy is pocketing enough money to buy a few nascar teams. Oh, and they forgot the contracts of Vettel, Webber, Massa, Schumi and the iceman. Do you think Raikkonen drives for cheap? The guy was making $51 million a season just for driving a red car a few years ago
But despite the flaws, entertaining.
On the other hand, Hammy at $20m only? When he re-signed with McLaren in 2008, his contract was rumored between $20 and $40 million UK pounds a year, meaning anywhere between $40 and $80 million USD. Add his massive endorsements, and the guy is pocketing enough money to buy a few nascar teams. Oh, and they forgot the contracts of Vettel, Webber, Massa, Schumi and the iceman. Do you think Raikkonen drives for cheap? The guy was making $51 million a season just for driving a red car a few years ago
But despite the flaws, entertaining.
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On the other hand, Hammy at $20m only? When he re-signed with McLaren in 2008, his contract was rumored between $20 and $40 million UK pounds a year, meaning anywhere between $40 and $80 million USD. Add his massive endorsements, and the guy is pocketing enough money to buy a few nascar teams. Oh, and they forgot the contracts of Vettel, Webber, Massa, Schumi and the iceman. Do you think Raikkonen drives for cheap? The guy was making $51 million a season just for driving a red car a few years ago
But despite the flaws, entertaining.
You are correct that Nascar is total income and F1 is just contract salary, however your numbers don't appear to be any more accurate. According to Forbes, top Nascar drivers are around $10 million base, and this list of 2012 F1 salaries has them making much less than you think. Raikkonen does indeed appear to be driving for cheap, relatively speaking of course:
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/180405/1/f1_2012_driver_salaries_revealed_-_but_who_earns_most.html
1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 30m
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 16m
= Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 16m
4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 10m
= Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 10m
= Felipe Massa Ferrari 10m
= Nico Rosberg Mercedes 10m
8. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 8m
9. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus F1 Team 5m
10. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham F1 Team 4m
11. Timo Glock Marussia F1 Team 3m
12. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1m
= Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team 1m
14. Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 500,000
= Sergio Perez Sauber 500,000
= Vitaly Petrov Caterham F1 Team 500,000
= Pedro de la Rosa HRT 500,000
18. Pastor Maldonado Williams 400,000
= Daniel Ricciardo Scuderia Toro Rosso 400,000
= Jean-Eric Vergne Scuderia Toro Rosso400,000
21. Bruno Senna Williams 250,000
= Narain Karthikeyan HRT 250,000
23. Paul di Resta Force India F1 200,000
24. Charles Pic Marussia 150,000
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but those numbers aren't any better - half of that list are pay drivers, including alonso since he brings the santander sponsorship. they might as well be showing $1 income, since the real money flows in the other direction.
for example, caterham had a lousy 2012 and to make up for the lost winnings they'll probably cut loose kovalainen and keep the inferior petrov and his russian oil money.
for example, caterham had a lousy 2012 and to make up for the lost winnings they'll probably cut loose kovalainen and keep the inferior petrov and his russian oil money.
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The main difference between NASCAR and F1 is that F1 furthers automotive technology, while NASCAR doesn't. NASCAR is limited to old tech like carbed pushrod engines, solid axle suspension, and they don't even have differentials. Why? Nobody knows.
LTC8K6
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Nascar is actually using fuel injection now.
Must be hard on parts going around those ovals and road courses without a diff...
They actually use a version of a Detroit Locker...
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And guess who`s supplying the ECU for that? Funny NASCAR`s big three can`t even provide their own gear.
Or you could say Nascar really keeps costs down so smaller guys can get into the series while F1 is insanely expensive just to run around 5 seconds slower than the top guys.
"And guess who`s supplying the ECU for that? Funny NASCAR`s big three can`t even provide their own gear. "
You say that like NASCAR is giving them the option to provide their own ECU. Nascar is basically a spec series and that includes the ECU that Nascar really doesn't want the teams playing with to keep them all equal.
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