The demographic that really gets screwed!

[ccbadd]

Oh, are you one of these guys?

I feel sorry for you.

 

[OverVolt]

The boomers did a good job changing the status quo when they were younger. The saying was "Don't trust anyone over 30."

Smart eh? Imagine if we had something like that now. All this housing bullshit pr college tuition that, 50 year old HR guys wants an MBA so you take 2 years to get an MBA and then he wants MBA + 1 year of experience. lol all you can do is laugh right.

 

[Double Trouble]

Providing positive reinforcement for a behavior will create more of that behavior. As a society we reward those who want society to provide for them and punish those who try to provide for themselves. It's not a shock then that the number of people reliant on some form of assistance is ever increasing.

 

[Moonbeam]

My nephew is from India. When he was young he dreamed of going to California so he studied hard and became a software engineer. He is expert in a business software package and always finds jobs where he can code it to meet a businesses need. He is busy after work with a child and one on the way as he runs a business he just started in India. He wants his family to have a better life and wants to work fully for himself. He doesn't think about how others are stealing from him and what shit life is. He has an aim and loads and loads of self confidence.

I never met anybody in trouble who went straight ahead. A saying

 

[Paul98]

Here they are:
Grew up poor or just not rich. Went to college. Picked a major that would actually produce a decent career. Didn't rack up huge student loan debt (actually worked full time + while getting an education). Worked a good 20 to 25 years before getting to a good financial place. Lived a frugal live (no big screen tv's and idevices when they couldn't afford them). Finally made the spot in the company that would afford them the lifestyle they spent so long working for.

Only to have the group that did the opposite (ran up huge college loans for a degree that is worthless while partying heavily and living life to it's fullest) call them greedy bastards for just wanting to be left alone.

These are not 1 percenters or even remotely rich ($75K/year or higher). They never got to take there kids to big expensive vacations or lavish themselves with "STUFF".

They are the ones loosing their nice health care plans, having to more due to high property taxes in order to pay for their kids to go to college. they usually don't have a new care every couple of years. Some feel very proud to get 150K to 200K miles out of one vehicle.

What does our society call these people? Try "Racist" "Greedy" "Selfish" and worse.

Who are these people calling these people greedy and selfish?

 

[Brainonska511]

Get rid of the BS classes and teach only SKILLS, not the leftist crap.

Yes. Get rid of the classes that will make people good citizens. We don't need people that can think for themselves, just mindless automatons. Not surprising the new P&N tool thinks of those humanities classes as 'leftist crap'.

College is more than just job training. It should really be viewed as continuing education - partly about getting skills that can be applied towards a career and partly about making people into good citizens. Your degree doesn't have to be in something specific to still be valid towards some other job; being able to think critically is applicable to a whole host of jobs.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes. Get rid of the classes that will make people good citizens. We don't need people that can think for themselves, just mindless automatons. Not surprising the new P&N tool thinks of those humanities classes as 'leftist crap'.

I am pretty sure that classes like women's studies are not about teaching you to think for yourself.

 

[zsdersw]

Here's a picture of the OP:

 

[Ausm]

They call them republicans, because liberals cannot grasp the concept of hard work. I busted my ass to afford a used car with 120K miles on it, and yet my tax dollars still go to people who SIT on their ass to buy a new Cadillac.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA X 10 1000th Power.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's a picture of the OP:

Priceless!

 

[OverVolt]

My nephew is from India. When he was young he dreamed of going to California so he studied hard and became a software engineer. He is expert in a business software package and always finds jobs where he can code it to meet a businesses need. He is busy after work with a child and one on the way as he runs a business he just started in India. He wants his family to have a better life and wants to work fully for himself. He doesn't think about how others are stealing from him and what shit life is. He has an aim and loads and loads of self confidence.

I never met anybody in trouble who went straight ahead. A saying

The problem with this is you blame the person and this would be true if there weren't 1/5th the country on food stamps or 100 million "not in the labor force" etc.

If there are say 5 million on food stamps out of 300 million its a personal problem, if there are like 45million or whatever it is on food stamps its an institutional problem. If all those people tried to look for a job guess what? There aren't enough.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem with this is you blame the person and this would be true if there weren't 1/5th the country on food stamps or 100 million "not in the labor force" etc.

If there are say 5 million on food stamps out of 300 million its a personal problem, if there are like 45million or whatever it is on food stamps its an institutional problem. If all those people tried to look for a job guess what? There aren't enough.

I believe the answer to problems does not lie in complaining about them. This is yelling at clouds. I think we need a stimulus package but many of the whiners will vote against it. Fuck he who fucks himself.

 

[Phrost Phantom]

I believe the answer to problems does not lie in complaining about them. This is yelling at clouds. I think we need a stimulus package but many of the whiners will vote against it. Fuck he who fucks himself.

ANOTHER stimulus package? Yeah, because all the others ones really worked...
In helping us hit that debt ceiling.

 

[Slew Foot]

Yeah, the people who have done the right thing, work hard, live within your means, take care of your family, get screwed over by the people who are careless with their lives.

 

[WackyDan]

Yeah, the people who have done the right thing, work hard, live within your means, take care of your family, get screwed over by the people who are careless with their lives.

Bingo - And people ask why should we care then if we can plan and be self sufficient? *because if we ever do fall from our fortunate positions we built for ourselves we actually can not even temporarily partake of public assistance because we'll still fail the means testing due to many factors... the value of our vehicles, equity in our homes, our retirement funds. Nice how that works... and it is that way because the system is overrun with life long takers.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

=These are not 1 percenters or even remotely rich ($75K/year or higher). They never got to take there kids to big expensive vacations or lavish themselves with "STUFF".

They are the ones loosing their nice health care plans, having to more due to high property taxes in order to pay for their kids to go to college. they usually don't have a new care every couple of years. Some feel very proud to get 150K to 200K miles out of one vehicle.

What does our society call these people? Try "Racist" "Greedy" "Selfish" and worse.

Could you please provide some examples of "society" calling these people racist, greedy, selfish, and/or worse? What exact income range are you referring to?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Look at it this way, no one likes a mooch, right? Everyone KNOWS the "mooch" could get a job or pay with his/her own money, yet chose not too. Why? It's easier. They can just kick back with their SNAP cards and wait for a check in the mail while their neighbors are the one's really paying for it. Now tell me, would you mind paying for someone elses family to live and get food while they can simply get off the couch and stop playing Xbox for a minute and get a job?

Are you referring to those tens of millions of jobs that are growing on the magic jobs tree? Does the magic jobs tree also produce jobs that pay above minimum wage that would allow someone to live independently without government help? It's really wonderful that our nation is drowning in unfilled middle class and lower middle class jobs!

 

[shortylickens]

Unless you can attach a race or religion or gender to that group, no one cares about them.

 

[Mursilis]

Providing positive reinforcement for a behavior will create more of that behavior. As a society we reward those who want society to provide for them and punish those who try to provide for themselves.

You mean like those proposals to means-test Social Security? So because I live a more frugal life and put a good chunk of my income away into an IRA, I could get less SS than someone who spent it all now and retired with almost no savings?

 

[nehalem256]

You mean like those proposals to means-test Social Security? So because I live a more frugal life and put a good chunk of my income away into an IRA, I could get less SS than someone who spent it all now and retired with almost no savings?

haha. Yeah I had the same thought when I heard of that.

SS is already in a sense "means-tested" since it gives disproportional benefits to people with lower incomes to begin with.

So it sounded to me like they just wanted to straight up punish people for responsibly saving for retirement.

 

[exdeath]

Yes. You won't hurt rich people with these socialist policies, you just make it harder for poor people to stop being poor.

People who are already rich don't care, you just end up penalizing people who are still trying to climb the ladder.

 

[OverVolt]

Yes. You won't hurt rich people with these socialist policies, you just make it harder for poor people to stop being poor.

People who are already rich don't care, you just end up penalizing people who are still trying to climb the ladder.

Ya agreed. Rather I see it as placating the poor by throwing them a bone instead of actually voting for politicians that will level the playing field. Instead of just having a whole sect of the population on welfare and foodstamps. The poor would figure out real quick that they were getting screwed over if they weren't having bones thrown to them. Then things would actually change for the better for everyone.

But its the same thing.

Right now I see capitalism not as a conflict of rich vs poor but procrastinating that conflict. Both sides are trying to divert away from a direct class conflict. The poor take their handouts and the rich try not to blow the financial system to smithereens again but the whole country gets weaker in the meantime.

 

[ccbadd]

Here's a picture of the OP:

Ok, that is funny, even at my expense!

 

[ccbadd]

Could you please provide some examples of "society" calling these people racist, greedy, selfish, and/or worse? What exact income range are you referring to?

Go look at any of the MSM coverage of the TEA party. I am talking about people who make $75~$100K/yr in my area. I say in my area due to my belief that an area's cost of living greatly affects how far your dollar goes.