The demographic that really gets screwed!

[ccbadd]

Here they are:
Grew up poor or just not rich. Went to college. Picked a major that would actually produce a decent career. Didn't rack up huge student loan debt (actually worked full time + while getting an education). Worked a good 20 to 25 years before getting to a good financial place. Lived a frugal live (no big screen tv's and idevices when they couldn't afford them). Finally made the spot in the company that would afford them the lifestyle they spent so long working for.

Only to have the group that did the opposite (ran up huge college loans for a degree that is worthless while partying heavily and living life to it's fullest) call them greedy bastards for just wanting to be left alone.

These are not 1 percenters or even remotely rich ($75K/year or higher). They never got to take there kids to big expensive vacations or lavish themselves with "STUFF".

They are the ones loosing their nice health care plans, having to more due to high property taxes in order to pay for their kids to go to college. they usually don't have a new care every couple of years. Some feel very proud to get 150K to 200K miles out of one vehicle.

What does our society call these people? Try "Racist" "Greedy" "Selfish" and worse.

 

[Smoblikat]

Here they are:
Grew up poor or just not rich. Went to college. Picked a major that would actually produce a decent career. Didn't rack up huge student loan debt (actually worked full time + while getting an education). Worked a good 20 to 25 years before getting to a good financial place. Lived a frugal live (no big screen tv's and idevices when they couldn't afford them). Finally made the spot in the company that would afford them the lifestyle they spent so long working for.

Only to have the group that did the opposite (ran up huge college loans for a degree that is worthless while partying heavily and living life to it's fullest) call them greedy bastards for just wanting to be left alone.

These are not 1 percenters or even remotely rich ($75K/year or higher). They never got to take there kids to big expensive vacations or lavish themselves with "STUFF".

They are the ones loosing their nice health care plans, having to more due to high property taxes in order to pay for their kids to go to college. they usually don't have a new care every couple of years. Some feel very proud to get 150K to 200K miles out of one vehicle.

What does our society call these people? Try "Racist" "Greedy" "Selfish" and worse.

They call them republicans, because liberals cannot grasp the concept of hard work. I busted my ass to afford a used car with 120K miles on it, and yet my tax dollars still go to people who SIT on their ass to buy a new Cadillac.

 

[glenn1]

They call them republicans, because liberals cannot grasp the concept of hard work. I busted my ass to afford a used car with 120K miles on it, and yet my tax dollars still go to people who SIT on their ass to buy a new Cadillac.

You must mean Congressmen and bureaucrats, because welfare recipients certainly aren't buying Cadillacs with their SNAP cards. Agreed though that we shouldn't provide anything beyond bare subsistence to welfare recipients, although even that doesn't seem like it would satisfy most of the " hands off my wallet" small government advocates out there.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

They call them republicans, because liberals cannot grasp the concept of hard work. I busted my ass to afford a used car with 120K miles on it, and yet my tax dollars still go to people who SIT on their ass to buy a new Cadillac.

Please tell me how to sit on my ass and buy a new Cadillac. I really want to take advantage of my American citizenship. So far it's only gotten me hard work.

 

[OverVolt]

Baby Boomers.

Stop complaining you didn't see the opportunity for education in the 70's and were too busy being a hippie.

Unemployment among the baby boomers is the best. Unemployment increases as the age gets lower. The younger generations actually have it worse.

The #1 mistake the baby boomers did was trust OTHER people with their money. If someone else controls your money, its not your money.

The baby boomers knew it too all along. They just didn't want to own up to the mistake. Plug their ears. la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

You guys are also the victim of your own advice. "You MUST go to college." literally every single baby boomer told their kids, because they regretted not going. Followed by "These tuition prices are OUTRAGEOUS."

Hmm...:hmm:

 

[ccbadd]

You must mean Congressmen and bureaucrats, because welfare recipients certainly aren't buying Cadillacs with their SNAP cards. Agreed though that we shouldn't provide anything beyond bare subsistence to welfare recipients, although even that doesn't seem like it would satisfy most of the " hands off my wallet" small government advocates out there.

Why is it that I see all the "SNAP cards accepted here" signs at fast food restaurants and convenience stores? These places have the least value for public dollars. If it is our tax money, why can't we say no to poor choices for spending this money? Why the outrage for drug testing for welfare?

I find it amazing that service members who return from war with major injuries still see the need to work while knowing that a drug addict (if you are using POT daily you are an addict) will get a part of there income to sit at home and play xbox while smoking.

 

[gevorg]

yet my tax dollars still go to people who SIT on their ass to buy a new Cadillac

:hmm: :sneaky:

 

[Farang]

Why is it that I see all the "SNAP cards accepted here" signs at fast food restaurants and convenience stores? These places have the least value for public dollars. If it is our tax money, why can't we say no to poor choices for spending this money? Why the outrage for drug testing for welfare?

I find it amazing that service members who return from war with major injuries still see the need to work while knowing that a drug addict (if you are using POT daily you are an addict) will get a part of there income to sit at home and play xbox while smoking.

Can you please show me how to get this income? I do not have an employer and will likely qualify, been a lean month

 

[OverVolt]

I've talked to the boomers about this type of stuff. I know about the Social Security pamphlets and everyone thought it was a super great idea but you all kinda knew it wouldn't really work but who cares you'll "get yours" right?

 

[glenn1]

Why is it that I see all the "SNAP cards accepted here" signs at fast food restaurants and convenience stores? These places have the least value for public dollars. If it is our tax money, why can't we say no to poor choices for spending this money? Why the outrage for drug testing for welfare?

I find it amazing that service members who return from war with major injuries still see the need to work while knowing that a drug addict (if you are using POT daily you are an addict) will get a part of there income to sit at home and play xbox while smoking.

I dunno, maybe just maybe they shop there because there tends to be no grocery stores in the inner city neighborhoods where many welfare recipients live. i certainly don't see a lot of folks with your mindset lining up to provide welfare recipients with rides to Whole Foods or helping provide them with training on how to select and prepare healthier meals.

 

[Phrost Phantom]

Baby Boomers.

Stop complaining you didn't see the opportunity for education in the 70's and were too busy being a hippie.

Unemployment among the baby boomers is the best. Unemployment increases as the age gets lower. The younger generations actually have it worse.

The #1 mistake the baby boomers did was trust OTHER people with their money. If someone else controls your money, its not your money.

The baby boomers knew it too all along. They just didn't want to own up to the mistake. Plug their ears. la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

You guys are also the victim of your own advice. "You MUST go to college." literally every single baby boomer told their kids, because they regretted not going. Followed by "These tuition prices are OUTRAGEOUS."

Hmm...:hmm:

Gotta say, +1. College isn't fit for everyone one, but more than that the real issue is that this IS class warfare. Only catch is we are doing to ourselves. From what I read fallowing this form, the OP is trying to say that the middle class is what is really being hurt. To be honest, he is right. Those people who all they have ever known is welfare are hurting us significantly.

Look at it this way, no one likes a mooch, right? Everyone KNOWS the "mooch" could get a job or pay with his/her own money, yet chose not too. Why? It's easier. They can just kick back with their SNAP cards and wait for a check in the mail while their neighbors are the one's really paying for it. Now tell me, would you mind paying for someone elses family to live and get food while they can simply get off the couch and stop playing Xbox for a minute and get a job?

 

[ccbadd]

I dunno, maybe just maybe they shop there because there tends to be no grocery stores in the inner city neighborhoods where many welfare recipients live. i certainly don't see a lot of folks with your mindset lining up to provide welfare recipients with rides to Whole Foods or helping provide them with training on how to select and prepare healthier meals.

And therein lies the problem. I think a person who is relying on public money should find a way to pay the couple of dollars to get on the bus and get groceries for the week rather than walk over to McD's and eat food that will put them in the hospital later in life. Then we pay for the high medical bills to cover high blood pressure and diabetes on top of it! I really think people should feel ashamed of using public money and work to get off food stamps. Instead we change the name to SNAP and give them a card that looks like a debit card so they don't feel bad. Lets go back to food stamps and put a name on them like a check so they can't be sold for cash.

 

[Doppel]

The boomers are selfish buggers who are saddling the younger generations with shit tons of debt so that they can have a nice long retirement before the money runs out. The packages they insist on wont be around for their children and that is in part because they insisted on them.

 

[ccbadd]

The boomers are selfish buggers who are saddling the younger generations with shit tons of debt so that they can have a nice long retirement before the money runs out. The packages they insist on wont be around for their children and that is in part because they insisted on them.

The sad part is the gummy brained 18 - 20 somethings that are making it possible. They really have no clue that their futures are being stolen, and with all that college education (from the boomers) no less!

 

[nehalem256]

And therein lies the problem. I think a person who is relying on public money should find a way to pay the couple of dollars to get on the bus and get groceries for the week rather than walk over to McD's and eat food that will put them in the hospital later in life. Then we pay for the high medical bills to cover high blood pressure and diabetes on top of it! I really think people should feel ashamed of using public money and work to get off food stamps. Instead we change the name to SNAP and give them a card that looks like a debit card so they don't feel bad. Lets go back to food stamps and put a name on them like a check so they can't be sold for cash.

Or they could walk to the grocery store.

I remember first using the automated checkout and being confused what an EBT card was. Is my debit card one?

 

[nehalem256]

I dunno, maybe just maybe they shop there because there tends to be no grocery stores in the inner city neighborhoods where many welfare recipients live. i certainly don't see a lot of folks with your mindset lining up to provide welfare recipients with rides to Whole Foods or helping provide them with training on how to select and prepare healthier meals.

Isn't whole foods the expensive organic grocery store? People on welfare shouldn't be shopping there either.

Aldis or Krogers is fine for them.

EDIT: Bag of rice. 2 cups water per cup of rice. Are you claiming the poor in America are completely incapable of taking care of themselves?

 

[ccbadd]

Isn't whole foods the expensive organic grocery store? People on welfare shouldn't be shopping there either.

Aldis or Krogers is fine for them.

EDIT: Bag of rice. 2 cups water per cup of rice. Are you claiming the poor in America are completely incapable of taking care of themselves?

I can't believe you didn't get Uncle Ben's instant!

When I grew up, rice was a treat! I ate cereal with powdered milk and got used underwear, and all my close, from a resale trailer in Baltimore City. I guess CPS would be called for this today. Who else remembers "beanie wienie" for dinner and was happy for it, or "shit on the shingles"? Who else had to kill and defeather the chicken for dinner?

 

[IronWing]

What does our society call these people? Try "Racist" "Greedy" "Selfish" and worse.

I match your description almost perfectly yet most people who call me anything call me "liberal".

The kids racking up student loans are doing so because the game changed. State legislatures cut support for public universities and threw the students to the loan sharks. Congress got in on the act, cut grants, and made student loan debt non-dischargeable. Universities hand out loan applications (from preferred lenders) and tell kids this is the key to their futures and spend with abandon knowing loan limits will rise to meet tuition and fees. It's a totally different world out there. The baby boomers got a great deal, gen-x got an okay deal, and gen-y and the millennials are getting the shaft.

 

[waggy]

Heh i made a post nearly the same when the housing market was crashing and there was told of homeowner bailout.

I wondered why those that made stupid loans got help. People who purchased $300+k houses that are 4k sq/ft on a $30k yr salary in debt and foreclosure were getting help. they were getting the mortgage interest lowered. the principal on the house lowered. etc

i wondered why they were and not those that sacrificed to be able to afford the house. Those that purchased houses they could afford. not just then but 20 years down the road. those that got fixed rate interest loans.

 

[ccbadd]

I match your description almost perfectly yet most people who call me anything call me "liberal".

The kids racking up student loans are doing so because the game changed. State legislatures cut support for public universities and threw the students to the loan sharks. Congress got in on the act, cut grants, and made student loan debt non-dischargeable. Universities hand out loan applications (from preferred lenders) and tell kids this is the key to their futures and spend with abandon knowing loan limits will rise to meet tuition and fees. It's a totally different world out there. The baby boomers got a great deal, gen-x got an okay deal, and gen-y and the millennials are getting the shaft.

So don't end your kids and money to these schools. Colleges need to bee a resource for our kids, especially state funded ones. If not, they need to be shut down. There is no reason college rates have soared so far ahead of education. Get rid of the BS classes and teach only SKILLS, not the leftist crap. Get rid of tenure and offer business people incentives to teach rather than career teachers. Kids will learn more and excel much quicker.

 

[glenn1]

I can't believe you didn't get Uncle Ben's instant!

When I grew up, rice was a treat! I ate cereal with powdered milk and got used underwear, and all my close, from a resale trailer in Baltimore City. I guess CPS would be called for this today. Who else remembers "beanie wienie" for dinner and was happy for it, or "shit on the shingles"? Who else had to kill and defeather the chicken for dinner?

Oh, are you one of these guys?

 

[WackyDan]

Yup... I saved, paid off my previous mistakes leading to debt. I worked on my career, watched my income grow. Bought a very modest home, keep our vehicles well over ten years.

I find it odd in many ways that we are the only people in our circle of friends or colleagues that have wills in case we die. I find it odd that among colleagues that make the same amount or more than me that we are the only ones with an actual 529 college savings plan for our daughter.

When I was laid off for several months in 2010, we survived off of savings, severance and unemployment. Unemployment because my employer paid that tax to the state as part of my employee benefits. Managed to get the wife pregnant, have a severely pre-term child and spent 3 months in the NICU with her. I paid for Cobra coverage and never had to rely on additional public assistance.

What irked me is that some liberals/progs I know both personally but also from another internet forum found my discussion of my self reliance as some sort of smug talk... as if I was rich. When they found out that I was taking off on a three week motorcycle tour across the country while being out of work they were highly offended. As if I shouldn't be doing shit like that when so many others were out of work and suffering. It reinforced to me why I'm an independent conservative and further reinforced the fucked up view of the world and their fellow man some people are polluted with.

There is no reward for being a planner, for being ready. Self satisfaction is the only return. Seven months later I was back to work based on my network and professional reputation... Making even more than I had before. So yes, those OWS clowns pissed me off and this "eat the rich" mentality gets applied not to the so called 1%, but also to people like me who make an excellent living but because I make over 100k I'm considered rich as well and that I only got here due to luck or being a white male.

Fuck em. I look at the younger generation whining and crying about everyone who has simply more than they do and thank them for my future job security.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Phrost Phantom]

Oh, are you one of these guys?

Please don't be one of these people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUzMPlQb2G4

 

[ivwshane]

Fuck baby boomers! They are by far the worst generation ever! They fucked up this country more than any other generation.

I have zero sympathy for those whiny bitches!

 

[ccbadd]

Yup... I saved, paid off my previous mistakes leading to debt. I worked on my career, watched my income grow. Bought a very modest home, keep our vehicles well over ten years.

I find it odd in many ways that we are the only people in our circle of friends or colleagues that have wills in case we die. I find it odd that among colleagues that make the same amount or more than me that we are the only ones with an actual 529 college savings plan for our daughter.

When I was laid off for several months in 2010, we survived off of savings, severance and unemployment. Unemployment because my employer paid that tax to the state as part of my employee benefits. Managed to get the wife pregnant, have a severely pre-term child and spent 3 months in the NICU with her. I paid for Cobra coverage and never had to rely on additional public assistance.

What irked me is that some liberals/progs I know both personally but also from another internet forum found my discussion of my self reliance as some sort of smug talk... as if I was rich. When they found out that I was taking off on a three week motorcycle tour across the country while being out of work they were highly offended. As if I shouldn't be doing shit like that when so many others were out of work and suffering. It reinforced to me why I'm an independent conservative and further reinforced the fucked up view of the world and their fellow man some people are polluted with.

There is no reward for being a planner, for being ready. Self satisfaction is the only return. Seven months later I was back to work based on my network and professional reputation... Making even more than I had before. So yes, those OWS clowns pissed me off and this "eat the rich" mentality gets applied not to the so called 1%, but also to people like me who make an excellent living but because I make over 100k I'm considered rich as well and that I only got here due to luck or being a white male.

Fuck em. I look at the younger generation whining and crying about everyone who has simply more than they do and thank them for my future job security.

Sorry for the rant.

I solute you sir and only wish I got to go on that two wheel'in trip! Live long an prosper, and to the detractors, go to hell baby!