Let's see.
I'm an atheist.
I honestly don't give a crap about religious laws, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or otherwise.
If I feel like burning a cross in my backyard, I will, if I feel like drawing a of Muhammad fornicating with the pope, I will, etc.
Actually I probably wouldn't just cause there would be no big point in doing that, but I do reserve my right to do so, and if someone else doesn't like that, too bad.
To me, many of the things that go on in Muslim countries is weird, barbaric, or both.
Women forced to wearing burqa's(sp?)? Screwed up to me, but hey, it's their country, just don't involve me in it.
Someone in Iran saying Sweden is a hellhole full of infidels? I'll think he's a moron and quite possibly a psychopath, but still, he has the right to say what he wants.
Think most if not all of the chicks I know are whores and sluts for dressing the way they do and actually having pre-marital sex? Fine, I think you're a fvcking moron, but still, as long as you don't come here and yell it to their face it's your right to think so.
Etc, live and let live.
They don't need to live by my standards, and I sure won't live by theirs, and if some Muslim living in my country doesn't like that he can move, that's his right.
I live by the Swedish laws, because I live in Sweden, if I moved to Iran I would respect their laws and traditions, but as long as I live here, I just don't give a crap about their laws and traditions.
Think that makes me an ignorant asshole? That's fine with me too, it's certainly your right to think I'm an ignorant asshole, I won't threaten to behead you or anything for thinking so.
I'm an atheist.
I honestly don't give a crap about religious laws, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or otherwise.
If I feel like burning a cross in my backyard, I will, if I feel like drawing a of Muhammad fornicating with the pope, I will, etc.
Actually I probably wouldn't just cause there would be no big point in doing that, but I do reserve my right to do so, and if someone else doesn't like that, too bad.
To me, many of the things that go on in Muslim countries is weird, barbaric, or both.
Women forced to wearing burqa's(sp?)? Screwed up to me, but hey, it's their country, just don't involve me in it.
Someone in Iran saying Sweden is a hellhole full of infidels? I'll think he's a moron and quite possibly a psychopath, but still, he has the right to say what he wants.
Think most if not all of the chicks I know are whores and sluts for dressing the way they do and actually having pre-marital sex? Fine, I think you're a fvcking moron, but still, as long as you don't come here and yell it to their face it's your right to think so.
Etc, live and let live.
They don't need to live by my standards, and I sure won't live by theirs, and if some Muslim living in my country doesn't like that he can move, that's his right.
I live by the Swedish laws, because I live in Sweden, if I moved to Iran I would respect their laws and traditions, but as long as I live here, I just don't give a crap about their laws and traditions.
Think that makes me an ignorant asshole? That's fine with me too, it's certainly your right to think I'm an ignorant asshole, I won't threaten to behead you or anything for thinking so.
Okay, first problem. That is Islamic law. Not the entire world follows Islamic law. US law says it's illegal to hijack an airliner, yet it happened on 9/11, didn't it? Should the US have then killed every member of the Islamic faith in retaliation? To tell the truth, very few people outside the Islamic faith were probably aware of that "law", AND an apology has already been issued, numerous times. So now where is your basis of protest??
Second, my faith says, "Thou shall not kill". Yet your Islamic bretheren in Iraq, and other places, has no problem in killing dozens of people (Islamics AND non-Islamics) with a car bomb. How can you expect the world to respect your religion if you're not willing to extend the same courtesy??
Bottom line (at least in my eyes)?? The least tolerant religion in the world demands tolerance from everyone else, and is more than willing to show their intolerance in ways that are unacceptable to the remainder of the world. If Islam wants to be respected in this world, they'd better first learn respect for everyone else. :roll:
And finally, a billion people? Big deal. China has that many in one country, and if I remember right, India's not far behind. You need us far more than we need you, and since we have the biggest guns and most of the money, you'd do well to remember that fact. The rest of the world is pretty much comprised of peace loving people, but remember that just about anyone will strike back, eventually, when pushed far enough.
I just have to say there's a lot of ignorance on both sides.
For those who think that matter of the cartoon should just be shrugged off, where's the decency to show some empathy for those who were insulted.
And for those out on those streets, it's fine you want to demonstrate, but do it peacefully. You will still be heard.
For those who think that matter of the cartoon should just be shrugged off, where's the decency to show some empathy for those who were insulted.
And for those out on those streets, it's fine you want to demonstrate, but do it peacefully. You will still be heard.
idiot read the thread, muslim and arab media insult judaism and christianity in far worse ways every day. Fact is different people have view which are insulting to other people. So what ?
Um, regarding the OP. Depictions and portraits of muhammad are widely available, even is muslim countries. Whether or not it is sacreligious depends on to what sect of islam you adhere.
Their prophet is a terrorist - hey why don't they protest worldwide about what I just said ? how is what I just said different than the opinion of the guy who drew up mohammad with a bomb in his turban ? is it only because that was a drawing that their illeterate people can understand, as opposed to verbally written article which expresses much more disrespect ? If so I can point you to plenty of those (e.g. disrespectful drawings about islam and mohammad) as well - depicting him like an animal etc. Why only protest this one cartoon ? there are many others which are worse
I have empathy for the Muslims, but not the ones calling for violence and my empathy is wearing thin when I hear so few Muslims willing to defend free speech. Some of those cartoons are funny and some are objectionable, but not objectionable enough to justify the violence they are calling for.
Just as we people raised in the western culture do not fully understand the depth of the insult to Islam believers, they do not understand our total believe in free speech. It is a true cultural clash.
It's hard (if not impossible) for us to relate that they would feel as strongly about a cartoon as we do about our right to free speech and vice versa. Since they are trying to control OUR press in OUR land then it seems to me that they are just trying to control us. They need to realize that it's not like we moved to their country and started a newspaper just to insult them.
We have our right to have our beliefs also. If those beliefs conflict with theirs then I would suggest they remove themselves from the host country instead of trying to change it to suit them. Only 4% of Denmark is Muslim, now whose law should take precedent?
such a big lie stop sayin these stupid things
where is respect when everybody say wut he wants to? its like hitting us and asking not to talk cuz its freedom!
Where the hell have you been? Islamic press routinely pulls up blood libel connotations against Jews (as represented by that hook-nosed fellow!). Go ANYWHERE - MEMRI, HonestReporting, etc., and you'll find those pictures.
-Erwos
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Sorry, but people have different beliefs. You believe that the prophet should not be drawn. Some people believe that flags should not be burned. Some people don't believe in eating meat. A non-homogenous society cannot exist with everyone following everybody else's religious or sacred rules.
A religions is nothing but a set of personal beliefs. The belief not to draw Mohammed can be just as sacred as the belief not to burn a country's flag.
i dont have to see pics am living in the mid of the arab world in egypt and all they do is to show jewish killing arabs which is something normal nowadays so everybody hates jewish, only cartoons about their president or ppl in charge which is so far not an insult for the religion itself! no insult against chrisrianity nobody here in talks about it!!
they r just burning flags to protest against wut they did.. so this is just a reply they didnt start!
So that makes it ok?
The newspaper that published the cartoons because of self-censorship among the community after the murder of Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim extremist. So this is just a reply that they didn't start as well.
An insult is an insult even it's about a person's character, family or religion. What is the difference ? in fact for many people insulting their family is worse than insulting their religion. And denying the holocaust is also offensive to many jews, not to mention declaring intent to destroy a person's country is highly offensive.
So you really don't think that portraying all Jews in a blood libel cartoon isn't disrespectful to Judaism and all Jews? Because, really, I think most all Jews would consider it disrespectful as hell. Blood libels were used as excuses for deadly pogroms throughout the Middle Ages - heck, they're still dredged up from time to time in Middle Eastern papers. The only reason you don't know about this is that Jews don't go around rioting and burning down embassies every time it happens.
You need to educate yourself, and eradicate your ignorance. A good bit of the Arab (and to a lesser extent, Muslim) press is virulently anti-Semetic, not just anti-Israeli. The fact that you can't see that is disturbing, to say the least, and really should give readers of the forum an example of the cultural issues in play.
-Erwos
we r not extremist, why do u give me ur reply while am not the one u want? those are just ppl who are said to be muslims but they do other things than the religion says so y do u punish real muslims for someone who is only CALLED muslim?!?
Those are not real Danes, why do you punish real Danes for someone who is only called a Dane?
People aren't being punished by drawing Mohammed.
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