The debate over these cartoons of Muhammad is ridiculous.

[DidlySquat]

To anyone who missed it, here is a link to the cartoons - enjoy :

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg


It's really amazing that they decided to go up in arms about something like this, because MUCH WORSE things are being printed about Islam in many newspapers everyday. So what's different about this - that it's a cartoon ? It still just someone's opinion just like an article expressing an opinion. And many people have opinions which offend others, there is nothing new in that. MUCH WORSE cartoons about judaism apear EVERY DAY in arab newspapers.

How about if muslims don't single out just this cartoon, but protest anything that offends them that is being published anywhere. good luck

 

[CQuinn]

Guess that's not surprising given that you think all Muslim are exactly the same bomb carrying violent killers

The only person making that connotation is you. Any reasonable person would not make such a comparison,
as has already been pointed out to you earlier in this thread. And isn't it you who is making the assumption that it
is common to the "Muslim" community for all of them to be insulted by the cartoons that were published, and
that they all must be filing a class action civil suit to insure that tort law must be maintained?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: CQuinn

Guess that's not surprising given that you think all Muslim are exactly the same bomb carrying violent killers

The only person making that connotation is you. Any reasonable person would not make such a comparison,
as has already been pointed out to you earlier in this thread. And isn't it you who is making the assumption that it
is common to the "Muslim" community for all of them to be insulted by the cartoons that were published, and
that they all must be filing a class action civil suit to insure that tort law must be maintained?

Really? How would you interpret the following statement?

"Many of the 1.2billion are inbred, violent, lunatic fringe people. "

 

[Braznor]

I'am a Hindu and almost everyday, some European company or another manages to insult Hinduism by placing images of our gods on underwear or toilet paper or something. While this does anger me to a great extent, we hindus never call for chopping of the heads of the Europeans or burn their embassies. The Indian government never even bothers to get involved in the matter, leaving it to private organizations to take actions by peaceful means.

Why is that when muslims commit acts of violence, they always manage to find allies within their enemies to apologize or justify their crimes??????

Why is that these same people are nowhere to be found when Muslims themselves knowingly insult the religions of other people?????

Is it ignorance, treachery or being a 'useful idiot' for the Islamists ????

why is it that when somebody offends muslims unknowingly, it is communal fundamentalism and when muslims do the same (even the enlightened ones in the West) it is considered best to keep quiet and hope the whole things blows over?????

Wake up folks, Islam is not a religion, instead a barbarious ideology, much like Nazism or Stalinist Communism. Before you accuse me of not understanding Islam, let me tell you that I live in India, home of the second largest Muslim population in the world. I have seen Muslims behaviour in my nation and can honestly say that a religious muslim is no better than being a fanatical Nationalist Socialist.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Braznor
I'am a Hindu and almost everyday, some European company or another manages to insult Hinduism by placing images of our gods on underwear or toilet paper or something. While this does anger me to a great extent, we hindus never call for chopping of the heads of the Europeans or burn their embassies. The Indian government never even bothers to get involved in the matter, leaving it to private organizations to take actions by peaceful means.

Why is that when muslims commit acts of violence, they always manage to find allies within their enemies to apologize or justify their crimes??????

Why is that these same people are nowhere to be found when Muslims themselves knowingly insult the religions of other people?????

Is it ignorance, treachery or being a 'useful idiot' for the Islamists ????

why is it that when somebody offends muslims unknowingly, it is communal fundamentalism and when muslims do the same (even the enlightened ones in the West) it is considered best to keep quiet and hope the whole things blows over?????

Wake up folks, Islam is not a religion, instead a barbarious ideology, much like Nazism or Stalinist Communism. Before you accuse me of not understanding Islam, let me tell you that I live in India, home of the second largest Muslim population in the world. I have seen Muslims behaviour in my nation and can honestly say that a religious muslim is no better than being a fanatical Nationalist Socialist.

Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers,professors, TA s , students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers, students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

I am scared to think of what else you thank god for.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers, students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

I am scared to think of what else you thank god for.

I thank God for giving me enough patience to listen to people with hidden political agendas bash my entire relegion and pass judgement on 1.2 billion others, in the disguise of defending the "freedom of speech" while their own people don't have the "freedom of speech" rule apply to them

 

[Braznor]

I do not know what country you live in, is it Pakistan???

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Braznor
I do not know what country you live in, is it Pakistan???

I live in the US, and originally from the ME.

 

[DidlySquat]

Very well said Branzor you are right Muslims also insult other religions every day. Why do they have such large protests because of one insult ? Every religion is being insulted every day, so what ? What if I say I piss on mohammad, are you going to attack me ? or sure me ? cause I can point you to many sayings like this about Islam, and also about other religions. It is well known that jews think jesus was a hallucinating sinner, and this is repeated all the time by jews, but you don't see christians attacking them for it (at least not nowadays, they did attack jews in the middle ages though). Or that in judaism its a big sin to use god name for no reason, but chrisitians do that all the time, yet jews don't protest that. It's because they understand that christians don't share their view that this is an insult to god, so it's ok for them to do it. Understand ?

P.S> for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: CQuinn

Guess that's not surprising given that you think all Muslim are exactly the same bomb carrying violent killers

The only person making that connotation is you. Any reasonable person would not make such a comparison,
as has already been pointed out to you earlier in this thread. And isn't it you who is making the assumption that it
is common to the "Muslim" community for all of them to be insulted by the cartoons that were published, and
that they all must be filing a class action civil suit to insure that tort law must be maintained?

Really? How would you interpret the following statement?

"Many of the 1.2billion are inbred, violent, lunatic fringe people. "

its partially true. cousin marriages are common in the me and such and the vast family connections lead to people being more loyal to their families than states. sorta nepotism land. it leads to much of their problems. as for violent and lunatic fringe, well even .5% of a billion is a lot of lunatic fringe. and it shows. as said, one can be a good person by being a bad muslim. no one believes they eat children you know. even nazi officers were kind to their children and family/friends. this ignoring/interpreting away faults of faith exists in other religions as well, but its especially a problem in islam because of how concrete and unquestionable its scripture is and how the prophets life justifies mixing of state/religion/military power. one cannot really explain the evils away. and islamo nazism is a very real problem. its a twisted ideology protected by the shrowd of religion.

 

[Braznor]

Dear Linuxator,

It si good you live in the west, hopefully you have not being exposed to Islam in the truest sense.


Most Muslims in the West are restrained by the strict enforcement of their Laws. So not many western people (including Hindus and irreligious muslims living in the west) have seen the true face of Islam, thanks to the brainwashing by the leftist agents in the media.

Anyway in a way Europe deserves it, Europe for all its arrogance in advising Israel to live with terrorists and advocating human rights for separatist terrorists in India, is now finding that the chickens are coming home to roost. You see, dancing with Islam has a unique price, a process always resulting in a tragic and fatal result, dhimmitude and genocide of all non-islamic people.

I do not hope to convince you of my views in any manner, you are a muslim and a good one at that (I have read up your posts in the forums) There is no way for us to convince you (by reasonable means) to accept the fatal flaws within Islam or in its failure to bring social and humanistic reforms within its followers, after all it took a World War for the Germans to give up Nazism.

Let me say that most Muslims I know are not bad people. They go about their lives. The problem arises when they discover their religion. I do not hate them in any manner and for me they are my brothers so long they do not hate me.

Let me say again, Most Muslims are good people, it is Islam which corrupts them.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers, students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

I am scared to think of what else you thank god for.

I thank God for giving me enough patience to listen to people with hidden political agendas bash my entire relegion and pass judgement on 1.2 billion others, in the disguise of defending the "freedom of speech" while their own people don't have the "freedom of speech" rule apply to them

Hidden political agendas? You are the one who is apologizing for people who are vandalizing property of a government that has done nothing wrong, and endangering the lives of innocent civilians, and proving again and again that a more than normal amount of the Islam culture is either inherently violent, or a flock of sheep that can be whipped into a frenzy by an influential few.

I just wish you would acknowledge the obvious danger of this situation, rather than passing it off as a 'hidden political agenda' put forth by 'the haters of Islam'. Because you know what, that sounds a whole lot like George W. Bush's agenda for Americans.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
Very well said Branzor you are right Muslims also insult other religions every day. Why do they have such large protests because of one insult ? Every religion is being insulted every day, so what ? What if I say I piss on mohammad, are you going to attack me ? or sure me ? cause I can point you to many sayings like this about Islam, and also about other religions. It is well known that jews think jesus was a hallucinating sinner, and this is repeated all the time by jews, but you don't see christians attacking them for it (at least not nowadays, they did attack jews in the middle ages though). Or that in judaism its a big sin to use god name for no reason, but chrisitians do that all the time, yet jews don't protest that. It's because they understand that christians don't share their view that this is an insult to god, so it's ok for them to do it. Understand ?

P.S> for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Enough ppl!! I keep hearing about the caricatures from the ME newspapers, how are they in any way comparable to the Muhammad caricatures ? Both are at completley different levels, have anyone seen a single caricature in the ME about Jesus or Moses or Abraham or any other prophet that is reveared by Muslims ? All of the caricatures are about Israel and their occupation of Palestine, the killing of Palestenians, (hint that's why you see mostly people like Sharon, and Natanyaho in the caricatures. )

The Danish caricatures were different because they depicted Muhammad not only that but also made the bigoted generaliztion that Muhammad and his followers are suicidal terrorists, that is what it's all about, it's not like there hasn't been caricatures before about Islam and or Muslim extreist, this one just lumps up all the Muslims, and puts them under one image, it says that either you are an extremist or not if you are a Muslim than it doesn't matter!

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator



Enough ppl!! I keep hearing about the caricatures from the ME newspapers, how are they in any way comparable to the Muhammad caricatures ? Both are at completley different levels, have anyone seen a single caricature in the ME about Jesus or Moses or Abraham or any other prophet that is reveared by Muslims ? All of the caricatures are about Israel and their occupation of Palestine, the killing of Palestenians, (hint that's why you see mostly people like Sharon, and Natanyaho in the caricatures. )

The Danish caricatures were different because they depicted Muhammad not only that but also made the bigoted generaliztion that Muhammad and his followers are suicidal terrorists, that is what it's all about, it's not like there hasn't been caricatures before about Islam and or Muslim extreist, this one just lumps up all the Muslims, and puts them under one image, it says that either you are an extremist or not if you are a Muslim than it doesn't matter!

The question here is not whether the Mohammed caricatures were wrong or whether Muslims were offended by it.

We do accept that the Danish newspapers stirred up a hornet's nest by publishing them and violated the laws of Islam forbidding images of the Prophet. (the question that whether they were right to do so is irrelevant, since most Danish are not Muslims anyway and Shariat Laws do not apply in denmark)

The question is that of disproportionate reaction by the Muslim world to the issue. You simply cannot be going about burning embassies or beheading people for such a violation of sensitivities. The Islamic world caricatures of Isreal is much worse as it calls for the genocide of an entire nation of currently living people, your comparision of that with the caricatures of Mohammed is pure hypocracy.

Oh, and of course, it was expected of you. Let me remind you again, I live in a nation with the World's second largest muslim population. Confusing and diverting of issues concerning Islam's violent nature is an art Islamists have perfected.

 

[DidlySquat]

Excerpts from Arab media

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/asam_july_dec_intro_2005.htm

I agree to what's been said here - Violence, terrorism and genocide are embedded in Islam from the time of its foundation, just look at the biography of the terrorist mohammad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad

P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers, students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

I am scared to think of what else you thank god for.

I thank God for giving me enough patience to listen to people with hidden political agendas bash my entire relegion and pass judgement on 1.2 billion others, in the disguise of defending the "freedom of speech" while their own people don't have the "freedom of speech" rule apply to them

Hidden political agendas? You are the one who is apologizing for people who are vandalizing property of a government that has done nothing wrong, and endangering the lives of innocent civilians, and proving again and again that a more than normal amount of the Islam culture is either inherently violent, or a flock of sheep that can be whipped into a frenzy by an influential few.

I just wish you would acknowledge the obvious danger of this situation, rather than passing it off as a 'hidden political agenda' put forth by 'the haters of Islam'. Because you know what, that sounds a whole lot like George W. Bush's agenda for Americans.

I am tired of explaining my position on all of this, let me see what I can dig from my own posts in this thread... here you go :

"These people in the pictures even dare to call themselves Muslims ? I 'll add those to my list of idiots too. Protesting those caricatures is the only way they can get any where in a civilized manner, but giving out deathreats all over the place ? They are just causing more hurt to the other Muslims that don't agree with what they hold in their hands, what a shame really, I hope law enforcement takes a good counter action against all of those who are stepping out of line, Muslims they be or not, I don't considre them as Mulsims no matter what."

"I AM A MUSLIM AND I AM TELLING YOU I % 100 DISAGREE WITH WHAT HAPPENED AND DON'T THINK THAT IT'S ACCEPTABEL IN ANY WAY NOR IT"S APPROVABLE BY ISLAM......"



Ofcourse you have seen me posting my opinion all over the place, but you just decided that you want to ignore my opinion and stay as an ignorant idiot, and since I am a big believer in freedom, I am going to prove it to you and not force you to think like a human being so I am going to leave you be a bigoted idiot, that throws generlizations all over the place, so enjoy!

Originally posted by: Braznor
Dear Linuxator,

It si good you live in the west, hopefully you have not being exposed to Islam in the truest sense.

Most Muslims in the West are restrained by the strict enforcement of their Laws.So not many western people (including Hindus and irreligious muslims living in the west) have seen the true face of Islam, thanks to the brainwashing by the leftist agents in the media.

Anyway in a way Europe deserves it, Europe for all its arrogance in advising Israel to live with terrorists and advocating human rights for separatist terrorists in India, is now finding that the chickens are coming home to roost. You see, dancing with Islam has a unique price, a process always resulting in a tragic and fatal result, dhimmitude and genocide of all non-islamic people.

I do not hope to convince you of my views in any manner, you are a muslim and a good one at that (I have read up your posts in the forums) There is no way for us to convince you (by reasonable means) to accept the fatal flaws within Islam or in its failure to bring social and humanistic reforms within its followers, after all it took a World War for the Germans to give up Nazism.

Let me say that most Muslims I know are not bad people. They go about their lives. The problem arises when they discover their religion. I do not hate them in any manner and for me they are my brothers so long they do not hate me.

Let me say again, Most Muslims are good people, it is Islam which corrupts them.

"Most Muslims in the West are restrained by the strict enforcement of their Laws."

Hmm lets see, last time I checked I was born and raised in the ME, came to the US six years ago, and I keep going back and forth in between both. last time I was in the ME, was in the summer.
And there is nothing yet in my relegion that I wasn't able to do because it's not allowed in the US, good try though

Let me say again, Most Muslims are good people, it is Islam which corrupts them.

How can you be a Muslim , be good, and Islam is bad, your logic is flawed.


"Anyway in a way Europe deserves it.."
Uh.. I thought Muslims were the ones that are evil in your statement , carrying right along!

"Let me say that most Muslims I know are not bad people. They go about their lives. The problem arises when they discover their religion. I do not hate them in any manner and for me they are my brothers so long they do not hate me. "

So let me picture the scenario, your neighbour for example is a Muslim who is 55 years old, and has been a good neighbour to you for the last 20 years or so, then and one day he accidently opens a random page of the Quran that he missed before, then all of the sudden he jumps over the fence and screams at you and is convinced that you desrve to die or something ? Intresting scenarios come to mind really.

"I do not hope to convince you of my views in any manner"

Obviously , you are NOT, and don't have anywhere near the potential to do so in the future, get out of India or something, go to the ME, perhaps the UAE for example, when I went to the UAE 2 years ago, as a tourist (never been there before) I thought I was in Bumbaii or something !! Your argument doesn't hold water, its fueled by the political strugle between Pakistan and India, go blame the western countries that colonised India and abused it and divided things around according to hidden plan , not those who are stuck in the same problem as you are.

 

[DidlySquat]

You haven't explained why so many muslims are acting violently in response to this single cartoon ? we don't see such phenomena in other religions


P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
Thank God that I know enough Hindus through my everyday life (neighbours, co-workers, students...etc) and many of them are very close friends of mine, so that I don't give you an equivelant idiotic and ignorant reply like yours.

I am scared to think of what else you thank god for.

I thank God for giving me enough patience to listen to people with hidden political agendas bash my entire relegion and pass judgement on 1.2 billion others, in the disguise of defending the "freedom of speech" while their own people don't have the "freedom of speech" rule apply to them

Hidden political agendas? You are the one who is apologizing for people who are vandalizing property of a government that has done nothing wrong, and endangering the lives of innocent civilians, and proving again and again that a more than normal amount of the Islam culture is either inherently violent, or a flock of sheep that can be whipped into a frenzy by an influential few.

I just wish you would acknowledge the obvious danger of this situation, rather than passing it off as a 'hidden political agenda' put forth by 'the haters of Islam'. Because you know what, that sounds a whole lot like George W. Bush's agenda for Americans.

I am tired of explaining my position on all of this, let me see what I can dig from my own posts in this thread... here you go :

"These people in the pictures even dare to call themselves Muslims ? I 'll add those to my list of idiots too. Protesting those caricatures is the only way they can get any where in a civilized manner, but giving out deathreats all over the place ? They are just causing more hurt to the other Muslims that don't agree with what they hold in their hands, what a shame really, I hope law enforcement takes a good counter action against all of those who are stepping out of line, Muslims they be or not, I don't considre them as Mulsims no matter what."

"I AM A MUSLIM AND I AM TELLING YOU I % 100 DISAGREE WITH WHAT HAPPENED AND DON'T THINK THAT IT'S ACCEPTABEL IN ANY WAY NOR IT"S APPROVABLE BY ISLAM......"



Ofcourse you have seen me posting my opinion all over the place, but you just decided that you want to ignore my opinion and stay as an ignorant idiot, and since I am a big believer in freedom, I am going to prove it to you and not force you to think like a human being so I am going to leave you be a bigoted idiot, that throws generlizations all over the place, so enjoy!

I have seen you post your opinion all over the place. And, just like you ignored the relevant part of my post, you also ignore the danger inherent in the system.

Sure, you say, not all Muslims are violent. They are a peaceful people! you say. I won't argue with you that the billion or so Muslims in Indonesia are peaceful. It's the ones in the Middle East that tend to be on the fanatic side. And whether that is attributable to living in a desert in poor conditions, or being opressed by their leaders, whatever. You choose to insult and deride people who are arguing that these Muslims who are protesting, are overreacting, and need to get over themselves. You may not consider them Muslims, but guess what? They do! And that's what's important. When people here speak of Muslims, they are usually speaking of the Middle East variety. Maybe you have heard of the term "Arab." That is what people are directing their anger towards. When have the Islamics of Indonesia done anything radical? They haven't, and so we have no quarrel with them. You drove this issue off-topic, and you choose to misunderstand people's intentions and attack them on a personal level. And, instead of helping the issue, only makes you seem like you are siding with the people who are inciting violence. You can say as many times as you want that you dispise these acts, don't consider them Muslims, etc., but as soon as you say "but their anger is understandable" that negates your so-called "anger" with these overreactions.

You come in here, guns blazing at people who are pretty pissed that buildings are being burned over cartoons, pushing in their face "ISLAM IS PEACEFUL! YOU ARE ALL IGNORANT! GET OUT IN THE REAL WORLD!" and people here, understandably, have a negative reaction to that. I think a simple "The Muslims outside the Middle East tend to be peaceful and reasonable, and also follow the Quran and Mohammed, so try to say the Arab Muslims instead of Muslims in general" would suffice. Instead, you start blasting people about being ignoramuses and racist and having "political agendas" when all most of us are doing is complaining about a certain type of Muslim, the kind that live in the Middle East.

Ignoring them, or saying "I don't consider them Muslims" does not help much, and frankly, they are more insulting to Islam than some silly cartoons are, don't you think?

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
You haven't explained why so many muslims are acting violently in response to this single cartoon ? we don't see such phenomena in other religions


P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Violence happens anywhere anytime, Muslims are no exception to the rule, they just happen to be in a different political situation than any other people.

Really, why is it that when a minority of any other relegion commits an ugly / violent act only they are called violent, when a Muslim minority commits a violent act, it's all Muslims around the world that are violent, I am pretty sure that if 1.2 billion Muslims are as evil as those who are commiting the violent acts, wouldn't have had time to sit down here and answer to some of the idiotic members we have here.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
You haven't explained why so many muslims are acting violently in response to this single cartoon ? we don't see such phenomena in other religions


P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Violence happens anywhere anytime, Muslims are no exception to the rule, they just happen to be in a different political situation than any other people.

Really, why is it that when a minority of any other relegion commits an ugly / violent act only they are called violent, when a Muslim minority commits a violent act, it's all Muslims around the world that are violent, I am pretty sure that if 1.2 billion Muslims are as evil as those who are commiting the violent acts, wouldn't have had time to sit down here and answer to some of the idiotic members we have here.

you need to learn to read better because in the quoted post he isn't referring to all muslims. I think the direct quote is, "why so many muslims are acting violently..."

maybe you have a hidden agenda here?

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
You haven't explained why so many muslims are acting violently in response to this single cartoon ? we don't see such phenomena in other religions


P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Violence happens anywhere anytime, Muslims are no exception to the rule, they just happen to be in a different political situation than any other people.

Really, why is it that when a minority of any other relegion commits an ugly / violent act only they are called violent, when a Muslim minority commits a violent act, it's all Muslims around the world that are violent, I am pretty sure that if 1.2 billion Muslims are as evil as those who are commiting the violent acts, wouldn't have had time to sit down here and answer to some of the idiotic members we have here.

you need to learn to read better because in the quoted post he isn't referring to all muslims. I think the direct quote is, "why so many muslims are acting violently..."

maybe you have a hidden agenda here?

I think you are the one who needs to learn how to read, I have split my post into two paragraphs, in the first I answered his question, and in the second I am speaking about another idea.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: DidlySquat
You haven't explained why so many muslims are acting violently in response to this single cartoon ? we don't see such phenomena in other religions


P.S. for anyone that missed the cartoons here it is again

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Violence happens anywhere anytime, Muslims are no exception to the rule, they just happen to be in a different political situation than any other people.

Really, why is it that when a minority of any other relegion commits an ugly / violent act only they are called violent, when a Muslim minority commits a violent act, it's all Muslims around the world that are violent, I am pretty sure that if 1.2 billion Muslims are as evil as those who are commiting the violent acts, wouldn't have had time to sit down here and answer to some of the idiotic members we have here.

you need to learn to read better because in the quoted post he isn't referring to all muslims. I think the direct quote is, "why so many muslims are acting violently..."

maybe you have a hidden agenda here?

I think you are the one who needs to learn how to read, I have split my post into two paragraphs, in the first I answered his question, and in the second I am speaking about another agenda.

fixed for you.

 

[Aisengard]

This is all a misunderstanding of words.

Linux, when most people here say "Muslims" in regarding to the Muslims who are attacking the embassies and such, they are speaking about those guys and the many people in the Middle East who support them. We are not saying that all the Muslims in Indonesia (which I believe is the majority of the global Islamic population?), or all the Muslims in America are violent. Please try to understand that before putting words into people's mouths.

On another note, wouldn't it be nice and relieving to have a louder voice of Muslims condemning all these terrible things done in the name of their Lord, and their Savior. It would certainly help people divide "American and Indonesian" Muslims from the Arab variety.

 

[DidlySquat]

Aisengard, I think linuxator is also talking about arab muslims and trying to say that even they are not all bad. While I agree with him on that point, the real point here why so many of the arab muslims (not the majority, but relatively a lot nonetheless - e.g. hundreds of thousands) go and protest about a cartoon, and also engage in violence and threats ? Again, I'm not saying its the majority, just a lot of people, and I understand they are probably being led by a few (I believe most of them have not even seen the cartoons). Sure, they are in a "different political situation" which I guess means they live under dictators which many times have an interest in inciting these protests to divert public anger at the regime itself.

So you think the west should understand that they are doing it because of their "different political situation" and accept it ? because of so, you could argue that terrorism is also justified because of their "different political situation". Arab societies keep gravitating towards bad political situations, like the palenstinians electing Hamas. sure it was because of corruptness and lack of leadership of the existing government, but shouldn't the voters be enlightened enough to understand they are voting for a movement advocating terrorism and which does not recognize the coutry they supposedly want to negotiate peace with ? These kinds of decisions as expressed by palestitnians voters suggest they in fact 1) support violence and terrorism, and 2) are not interested in a peaceful agreement but rather want to eliminate their enemy. It is truely sad arabs are like that, for all parties concerned.