The debate over these cartoons of Muhammad is ridiculous.

[Hacp]

I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: slash196
I don't think anyone is arguing whether the Danish newspaper had the RIGHT to publish the cartoons. Of course they have the RIGHT to, they can do whatever the fvck they bloody well please. But they shouldn't have, and they should apologize, because they not only offended, but INSULTED a quarter of the world. And the rest of the western world should stop treating this like a free speech issue and making things worse than they already are.

The newspaper did appoligize, out of fear. Is that the kind of apoligy that you want? One that isn't sincere? The government is the one that hasn't appoligized and the one that all the muslim countries are getting angry at, FOR NO reason.

Do you advocate violence for the insult of Islam as you like to call it?

Oh and Muslims don't account for 1/4 of the world unless you are REALLY bad at math.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: rchiu
Yeah, just like the black in the US perceive certain remark negatively and the white do not, it doesn't make it alrite for the white people to make those negative remark against black people just becuase the white think it isn't something negative.

You're changing the subject--again.

All right and proected as freedom ar enot the same thing. You can say unethical things, and it may not be alright, but it is still protected. Whether you think it is good or bad is not the issue. It's whether the speech itself is misrepresenting facts ("Muslims are all terrorists" is not stating a fact, whether it is correct or not), or if the speech is harming anyone. (child porn, FI, would be directly harmful speech).

I don't think anyone is arguing whether the Danish newspaper had the RIGHT to publish the cartoons. Of course they have the RIGHT to, they can do whatever the fvck they bloody well please. But they shouldn't have, and they should apologize, because they not only offended, but INSULTED a quarter of the world. And the rest of the western world should stop treating this like a free speech issue and making things worse than they already are.

Lots of people are arguing that they should not have the right to publish the cartoons.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

Yes.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: rchiu
Yeah, just like the black in the US perceive certain remark negatively and the white do not, it doesn't make it alrite for the white people to make those negative remark against black people just becuase the white think it isn't something negative.

You're changing the subject--again.

All right and proected as freedom ar enot the same thing. You can say unethical things, and it may not be alright, but it is still protected. Whether you think it is good or bad is not the issue. It's whether the speech itself is misrepresenting facts ("Muslims are all terrorists" is not stating a fact, whether it is correct or not), or if the speech is harming anyone. (child porn, FI, would be directly harmful speech).

I don't think anyone is arguing whether the Danish newspaper had the RIGHT to publish the cartoons. Of course they have the RIGHT to, they can do whatever the fvck they bloody well please. But they shouldn't have, and they should apologize, because they not only offended, but INSULTED a quarter of the world. And the rest of the western world should stop treating this like a free speech issue and making things worse than they already are.

Lots of people are arguing that they should not have the right to publish the cartoons.

American cartoonists constantly drew insulting politcal cartoons at the british and King George during hte American revolution. Are you saying that they were wrong for doing so?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

Yes.

Ya and thats what puzzles me. These people don't get what political cartoons are.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: rchiu
Yeah, just like the black in the US perceive certain remark negatively and the white do not, it doesn't make it alrite for the white people to make those negative remark against black people just becuase the white think it isn't something negative.

You're changing the subject--again.

All right and proected as freedom ar enot the same thing. You can say unethical things, and it may not be alright, but it is still protected. Whether you think it is good or bad is not the issue. It's whether the speech itself is misrepresenting facts ("Muslims are all terrorists" is not stating a fact, whether it is correct or not), or if the speech is harming anyone. (child porn, FI, would be directly harmful speech).

I don't think anyone is arguing whether the Danish newspaper had the RIGHT to publish the cartoons. Of course they have the RIGHT to, they can do whatever the fvck they bloody well please. But they shouldn't have, and they should apologize, because they not only offended, but INSULTED a quarter of the world. And the rest of the western world should stop treating this like a free speech issue and making things worse than they already are.

Lots of people are arguing that they should not have the right to publish the cartoons.

American cartoonists constantly drew insulting politcal cartoons at the british and King George during hte American revolution. Are you saying that they were wrong for doing so?

Of course not.

My belief in this issue is that freedom of speech should not be limited by blasphemy.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

You believe you can make fun of prophet mohammand in a political cartoon, they believe they can kill you for it. So now, everybody happy?

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

You believe you can make fun of prophet mohammand in a political cartoon, they believe they can kill you for it. So now, everybody happy?

Is the freedom of speech worth dying for or is the fear of death greater?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

You believe you can make fun of prophet mohammand in a political cartoon, they believe they can kill you for it. So now, everybody happy?

But there also burning down buildings that they do not own. Drawing political cartoons of Mohammad is not a crime. But I beleive burning down buildings is? Also, if I draw this political cartoon in the United States, it is not illegal. But if they shoot me, then they will beput in jail, and face the court of law.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

You believe you can make fun of prophet mohammand in a political cartoon, they believe they can kill you for it. So now, everybody happy?

Glad we got that settled. Now all those who believe they can kill us for it please raise your hands.


Hmmm, nobody here that feels that way? Please, just speak out, we have freedom of speech here you know!

Yes, I see you there in the back. What's your name? Mohamed??

LMFAO!

 

[kush]

Originally posted by: rchiu
You know, this is all too typical in this forum and the West. Everyone here suddenly becomes an expert in Islam or knows how every single Muslim feels after seeing some news clip from the West Media and newspapers. Or reading some $hitty translation of Koran somewhere on the web from some a$$hole who want nothing but stirring up people's emotion.

Everyone here is so certain that they know for a fact that Islam is about violence, Mohammed rewards sucide bomber with virgin blah blah blah. Yeap, just like everyone knows for sure Iraq had WMD, or Saddam is responsible for 911.

you are certainly the biggest troll here. i ain't going to feed you little man. to be fair, read my lines that start with, well, "to be fair".

 

[Aisengard]

And a preemptive argument against the people who say the Muslim religion shouldn't be the target of a political cartoon because it's a religion:

The Muslim nations have taken their religion and used it for political purposes. Not saying it's wrong per se, but that officially makes them targets for political cartoons. Use Mohammed and your religion against "The Western Beast" and "The Jewish Infidels"? Be prepared to be satirized. Muslim nation, meet the modern world.

 

[DidlySquat]

http://www.pixelsboard.com/free/SIGAL/cartoon1.jpg

Mohammad aka "the prophet" PWNED

 

[Staples]

They were in bad tastes but the Islamic world needs to grow up. If they don't like it, then just ignore it.

 

[DidlySquat]

In fact the original publisher (the dannish newspaper) apologized, but now it is being reprinted just to prove a point about freedom of speech and how some primitive people need to accept it

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: kush

Originally posted by: rchiu
You know, this is all too typical in this forum and the West. Everyone here suddenly becomes an expert in Islam or knows how every single Muslim feels after seeing some news clip from the West Media and newspapers. Or reading some $hitty translation of Koran somewhere on the web from some a$$hole who want nothing but stirring up people's emotion.

Everyone here is so certain that they know for a fact that Islam is about violence, Mohammed rewards sucide bomber with virgin blah blah blah. Yeap, just like everyone knows for sure Iraq had WMD, or Saddam is responsible for 911.

you are certainly the biggest troll here. i ain't going to feed you little man. to be fair, read my lines that start with, well, "to be fair".

Right, I especially like how you claim many of the 1.2billion are inbred, violent, lunatic fringe people, and right after that claiming you are well versed in whatever.

 

[DidlySquat]

Cartoons !!!!!

 

[Aisengard]

I think the best move for any prominent Muslim at this point who actually cares about his religion, and not just about hating other religions, would be to completely and utterly condemn the death threats and the fire-setting. Oh, and every terrorist attack done against innocents in the name of Allah and Islam. Tell off your peers. The only way to save your own religion, is for you to do something about it. The world's tolerance for your people is growing thin. This is the Western recommendation, and it's not so unreasonable, I don't think.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: DaFinn

Originally posted by: nCred
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/04/syria.cartoon.ap/index.html

The danish embassy in Syria set on fire.

Also Norwegian and Swedish embassy in Syria was destroyed. EU building in Gaza was attacked earlier today and was damaged...

These people must not be living in the same world?

Look, I am not gonna say what those extremist muslim did is right. But what do you people expect? There is already lots of tension and hatred going on, and the major news paper of the West have to go do something that's extremely insulting to their religion. Added to that, stupid European countries are reprinting those cartoon and continue to throw eggs in Muslim's face. Well, even if it is all Muslim's fault in this global conflicts, how do you expect to solve the conflicts by escalating it?

All I see here is bunch of kids trying to do and say that makes them feel good. Yah talk down at the Muslim, curse them, they are the uncivilized one. I don't see anybody thinking about doing something that will ease the conflicts and hopefully one day to end it.

yeah. So we should sit around paralyzed by fear, and not do anything to offend them, because they'll kill us otherwise, right?

Screw that. We have the right to exercise our right, in good taste and bad. What you're arguing is what leads people to make small concessions until they lose it all.

 

[CanOWorms]

link to funny pic



I just thought it was funny.

 

[HigherGround]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
link to funny pic



I just thought it was funny.

that pretty much sums it up. Islam is not violent, however a lot of people who practice it are.

 

[piasabird]

Seems like all other religions have a sense of humor except the muslims. The problem is many muslim people may be behind the radicals and really feel that they are correct and are just not speaking up. It is hard to say how many people think like the radicals do. Could be less than 1% or it could be higher than 10% that have radialism in their heart.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: OrByte
Actually the reaction isn't all that surprising. As for the newspaper, I can't blame them for doing something that they have every right in the world to do. Hell I can't even say I don't like the comics because I do, I think it makes its point in trying to be funny. I like the virgins comic so much it is in my sig now!

So what if the Danish media paper is biased, they can be. There is nothing wrong with that. They might need a lesson on sensitivity though, but thats all.

Oh yeah, like a premier newspaper here have the right to draw a monkey jumping up and down on a car on fire after LA riot? Guess that's alrite too?

My god, how can I make it simple so people understand freedom of speech is not limitless. There is a limit to it, and the most important thing is to not distrub the peace. What the Danish Newspaper did was wrong, plain and simple. The reaction following the cartoon is simply expected, and that IS THE RESULT OF THE CARTOON. Not the other way around. If you want to find someone to blame for this mess, blame the one that started the fire.

I can't speak for countries other than the USA, but here in the USA, when we are at our best, we value freedom much higher than order. We have slipped some under the current administration, which uses fear as a political tool, and to compromise our freedom.

But I hope the day never comes when America takes the position you advocate, of compromising our own principals out of a sense of fear.

 

[Rommels]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Hacp
I can make fun of black people in political cartoons. I can insult the president of the United States in political cartoons. I can make fun of entire couintries in political cartoons. I can make fun of republicans in politcal cartoons. Your telling me that I can't make fun of Muslims and the prohpet mohammad in a political cartoon?

You believe you can make fun of prophet mohammand in a political cartoon, they believe they can kill you for it. So now, everybody happy?

Is the freedom of speech worth dying for or is the fear of death greater?

IT IS WORTH DYING FOR!!