The debate over these cartoons of Muhammad is ridiculous.

[slash196]

I seem to be the only one who knows this, so it's time for a little lesson in Islam. It is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN to depict the Prophet in ANY WAY, be it cartoon, painting, what have you. To do so is an insult to all of Islam, and has been interpreted as such. I thought this was fairly common knowledge but apperantly it isn't.

To make an analogy, it would be like me pooping on a picture of Jesus on national television. This whole country would go (somewhat justifiably) completely insane. People would be calling for my blood. Exact same thing. The newspaper should have known this and should issue an apology for insulting, deliberately, more than a billion people. End of freaking story.

 

[Dedpuhl]

orrrrrrrrrrrrr....

These peace-loving muslims can let Admiral Allah Akbar do his job with the infidels when it's their time. By acting like uncivilized beasts, they are proving the point of some of those toons.

If Allah is angry over these depictions, wouldn't you think he'd take care of the perpetrators? Why must these buffoons deal out justice and have revenge?

This whole thing is beyond retarded.

 

[slash196]

I don't think it's too much for a newspaper to issue an apology and retraction. They do it all the time in America, whenever they upset Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly with some stray bit of fact that doesn't gel with the right-wing's talking points.

 

[Corn]

I absolutely agree it is the right of those who take offense of the act of crafting an image of Muhammad to complain. As a matter of fact, I encourage those who believe in Islam to voice their criticism.

These papers are proving a point: They are not Muslam, therefore the laws of Islam do not apply to them.

It is one thing to criticize, its another altogether to call for violence and murder as punishment for so-called blasphemy, be they Muslim or Christian.

I don't think you get the point at all.........

 

[thraashman]

I'd equate the caricatures more to wiping your butt with the shroud of Turin in front of a room full of believers. But that's just how I see it. It's offensive to them, it may seem ridiculous to someone who doesn't understand the religion, but it just is. Also Muslims don't believe Allah punishes his enemies, they believe it's their job to punish the enemies of Allah.

I accidentally rear-ended a Muslim once, nicest person I've ever been in an accident with.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: slash196
I seem to be the only one who knows this, so it's time for a little lesson in Islam. It is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN to depict the Prophet in ANY WAY, be it cartoon, painting, what have you. To do so is an insult to all of Islam, and has been interpreted as such. I thought this was fairly common knowledge but apperantly it isn't.

To make an analogy, it would be like me pooping on a picture of Jesus on national television. This whole country would go (somewhat justifiably) completely insane. People would be calling for my blood. Exact same thing. The newspaper should have known this and should issue an apology for insulting, deliberately, more than a billion people. End of freaking story.

well, you know, there is these bunch of people in this forum who seems to think they know everything about Islam, but in fact all they do is stay in their little town their entire life and only associate themselves with people they are comfortable with.

In their view, it is okay to insult the 1.2 billion people, or hey maybe they are too dumb to know what is insulting to those 1.2 billion people. They just don't get why Muslim is angry, they think Muslim is angry because Muslim envy them or their freedom, they think the life purpose of Muslim is to kill every non-muslim in this world. They think the one sided support of Israel has nothing to do with Muslim world being angry. They think the killing of tens and thousands of Muslim in Iraq has nothing to do with it. They think the bias and all the making fun of their religion has nothing to do with it.

It's just sad to see how uninformed people are, even in this P&N forum where people are suppose to be somewhat educated. Hey what do I care, I am a chinese and maybe after the christian and the muslim kill each other, we chinese will rule the world.

 

[OrByte]

The OP doesn't understand as much as he likes to think.

Crosses and flags are burned all the time. We may or may not like it, depending upon a persons individual convictions....

but no one goes out and gets all violent about it.

violence seems to be the answer to alot of Muslims problems. Kinda sad.

 

[dahunan]

BULLSH!T...

You are frickin nuts.. .totally


how the hell can you justify any THREATS OF VIOLENCE OR VIOLENT ACTIONS


Are These Religious people SOCIOPATHS

 

[Genx87]

Jesus and Christian gods are frequently cartooned in newspapers around the world. you dont see many christians going ape-shat over it and chanting death to anybody.

It is called act like somebody past the mental age of 6. The world doesnt revolve around Islam, get over it.

 

[dahunan]

They have every right to be angry... BUT NO RIGHT TO THREATEN VIOLENCE --

I just wish they would all fight against EXTREMIST ISLAM as much as they do little cartoons they can start with Madrassas and Wahabists.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Jesus and Christian gods are frequently cartooned in newspapers around the world. you dont see many christians going ape-shat over it and chanting death to anybody.

It is called act like somebody past the mental age of 6. The world doesnt revolve around Islam, get over it.

on a side note it is absolutely fascinating to witness the cultural divide explode over a stupid newspaper cartoon.

uh oh, I just called the picture of Mohammed stupid, are you going to hunt me down and murder me now OP?

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Corn
I absolutely agree it is the right of those who take offense of the act of crafting an image of Muhammad to complain. As a matter of fact, I encourage those who believe in Islam to voice their criticism.

These papers are proving a point: They are not Muslam, therefore the laws of Islam do not apply to them.

It is one thing to criticize, its another altogether to call for violence and murder as punishment for so-called blasphemy, be they Muslim or Christian.

I don't think you get the point at all.........

You do realize that has nothing to do with it, right? It doesn't matter who's doing it, it's still offensive.

Remember when Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope on SNL? People went nuts. I'm sure she got her share of death threats. All I'm saying is people need to get off their high horse and admit that while they may be overreacting, Muslims have a legitimate and EXTREMELY serious greivance, and all these newspapers are doing is rubbing salt in the wound.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Jesus and Christian gods are frequently cartooned in newspapers around the world. you dont see many christians going ape-shat over it and chanting death to anybody.

It is called act like somebody past the mental age of 6. The world doesnt revolve around Islam, get over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurring_South_Park_characters#Jesus

They don't care.. I am so glad that these cartoons were published.. it shows the world how extreme and insane these people can behave.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: slash196
I don't think it's too much for a newspaper to issue an apology and retraction. They do it all the time in America, whenever they upset Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly with some stray bit of fact that doesn't gel with the right-wing's talking points.

but the newspaper did issue an apology

the issue is that certain governments are holding the government of denmark responsible for the newspapers actions. That is understandable in an emotional context, but not a logical one.

 

[Ronstang]

Muslims need to understand that the rest of the world does not and NEED not conform to their view, beliefs, laws, or religion. The people who made the caricatures were not Muslim and thus not subject to Muslim law. If Muslims want to continue to live in NON-MUSLIM countries they need to understand that it is their responsibility to conform to the laws and cutlural norms of society in place in those countries. They cannot demand that people change to meet their needs. By doing so they only create an anti-Muslim attitude. If they do not like it they can go back the the sh!thole countries they left because their own governments wouldn't do anything for them. They are pushing the issue to the point where it may be necessary to call for an anti-jihad and take care of the festering problem.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Jesus and Christian gods are frequently cartooned in newspapers around the world. you dont see many christians going ape-shat over it and chanting death to anybody.

It is called act like somebody past the mental age of 6. The world doesnt revolve around Islam, get over it.

That's because it's okay to draw pictures of Jesus and Jehova in the Christian tradition. They do it in the Sistene Chapel for goodness sakes. Islam is a whole different beast, and it's painfully obvious you don't even come close to understanding it, or care that you don't.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Muslims need to understand that the rest of the world does not and NEED not conform to their view, beliefs, laws, or religion. The people who made the caricatures were not Muslim and thus not subject to Muslim law. If Muslims want to continue to live in NON-MUSLIM countries they need to understand that it is their responsibility to conform to the laws and cutlural norms of society in place in those countries. They cannot demand that people change to meet their needs. By doing so they only create an anti-Muslim attitude. If they do not like it they can go back the the sh!thole countries they left because their own governments wouldn't do anything for them. They are pushing the issue to the point where it may be necessary to call for an anti-jihad and take care of the festering problem.

I"m not a Christian, does that mean it's okay for me to piss on a statue of the virgin Mary and that everyone who gets angry at me is just being irrational?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Corn
I absolutely agree it is the right of those who take offense of the act of crafting an image of Muhammad to complain. As a matter of fact, I encourage those who believe in Islam to voice their criticism.

These papers are proving a point: They are not Muslam, therefore the laws of Islam do not apply to them.

It is one thing to criticize, its another altogether to call for violence and murder as punishment for so-called blasphemy, be they Muslim or Christian.

I don't think you get the point at all.........

You do realize that has nothing to do with it, right? It doesn't matter who's doing it, it's still offensive.

Remember when Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope on SNL? People went nuts. I'm sure she got her share of death threats. All I'm saying is people need to get off their high horse and admit that while they may be overreacting, Muslims have a legitimate and EXTREMELY serious greivance, and all these newspapers are doing is rubbing salt in the wound.

non they have a GRIPE over a dumb cartoon and someones dumb sense of humor.

it is not a serious grievance. Not to the point where people are threatening violence and death.

Yes I remember Sinead's stunt. At the time I thought it was silly, and I was roman catholic. Sure she must have gotten some death threats as a result. But thats about it. I didn't go parade down a street firing my AK47 into the air demanding the death of Sinead...thats just stupid.

 

[CanOWorms]

It may be forbidden to depict the Prophet for Muslims, but it isn't so for non-Muslims. Too bad. There are many insulting things in Islam to others... for example, anti-homosexuality aspects of Islam is probably insulting to homosexuals. Maybe they should change that part of their religion?

that smiley is a caricature of the prophet!!!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Genx87
Jesus and Christian gods are frequently cartooned in newspapers around the world. you dont see many christians going ape-shat over it and chanting death to anybody.

It is called act like somebody past the mental age of 6. The world doesnt revolve around Islam, get over it.

That's because it's okay to draw pictures of Jesus and Jehova in the Christian tradition. They do it in the Sistene Chapel for goodness sakes. Islam is a whole different beast, and it's painfully obvious you don't even come close to understanding it, or care that you don't.

NO.. The question is -- why do we have to be so afraid of offending Islam? Could it be because there are lots and lots of radical islamists who will threaten to blow us up if we don't?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: slash196

I"m not a Christian, does that mean it's okay for me to piss on a statue of the virgin Mary and that everyone who gets angry at me is just being irrational?

No, it doesn't. What makes you irrational is when you threaten death or try to force people to follow your religious beliefs.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Muslims need to understand that the rest of the world does not and NEED not conform to their view, beliefs, laws, or religion. The people who made the caricatures were not Muslim and thus not subject to Muslim law. If Muslims want to continue to live in NON-MUSLIM countries they need to understand that it is their responsibility to conform to the laws and cutlural norms of society in place in those countries. They cannot demand that people change to meet their needs. By doing so they only create an anti-Muslim attitude. If they do not like it they can go back the the sh!thole countries they left because their own governments wouldn't do anything for them. They are pushing the issue to the point where it may be necessary to call for an anti-jihad and take care of the festering problem.

I"m not a Christian, does that mean it's okay for me to piss on a statue of the virgin Mary and that everyone who gets angry at me is just being irrational?

You have the right to fornicate yourself with a cross on TV if you wish.. and if anyone threatnes your physical safety then they are irrational and nuts.. just like the Muslims who are threatening violence due to this cartoon

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: slash196
I"m not a Christian, does that mean it's okay for me to piss on a statue of the virgin Mary and that everyone who gets angry at me is just being irrational?

Piss away. It won't bother me. A rational pesron may not like the activity but will ignore it based on the person conducting the act. If the Western world got their panties in a bunch everytime a bunch of clueless uneducated Muslims demonstrated against the West they we would have blown the whole lot of them up decades ago....instead we have learned to laugh at their stupidity and walk away.

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Muslims need to understand that the rest of the world does not and NEED not conform to their view, beliefs, laws, or religion. The people who made the caricatures were not Muslim and thus not subject to Muslim law. If Muslims want to continue to live in NON-MUSLIM countries they need to understand that it is their responsibility to conform to the laws and cutlural norms of society in place in those countries. They cannot demand that people change to meet their needs. By doing so they only create an anti-Muslim attitude. If they do not like it they can go back the the sh!thole countries they left because their own governments wouldn't do anything for them. They are pushing the issue to the point where it may be necessary to call for an anti-jihad and take care of the festering problem.

I"m not a Christian, does that mean it's okay for me to piss on a statue of the virgin Mary and that everyone who gets angry at me is just being irrational?

You have the right to fornicate yourself with a cross on TV if you wish.. and if anyone threatnes your physical safety then they are irrational and nuts.. just like the Muslims who are threatening violence due to this cartoon

Just so long as there are no double standards here. And you do realize I'd get so many death threats the post office would have to devote a whole new branch to me.

EDIT: Fixed formatting.

 

[jlmadyson]

Maybe I'm just too simplistic or something but when you take to the streets with violence and rioting over a cartoon there is something seriously wrong with that.