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A little quiz for the dolt with the drool:


Attorney General John Ashcroft has been sounding a lot like former Senator Joseph McCarthy, infamous for starting the "Red Scare" of the 1950's, finding communists at every turn, especially in people who disagreed with his witch hunt.

Test your knowledge of history and the present. See if you can tell Ashcroft from McCarthy in our "who said it" test. To make it more difficult we've replaced words like "communist" and "terrorist" with "___".

1 . I would say very clearly that history has not looked kindly upon those that have forsaken their countries to go and fight against their countries
McCarthy Ashcroft

2 . Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between ___ and ___. The modern champions of ___ have selected this as the time.
McCarthy Ashcroft

3 . I am not interested in providing, when we are at war, a list ... of the people we have detained
McCarthy Ashcroft

4 . ___ are taught how to use America's freedoms as a weapon against us
McCarthy Ashcroft

5 . My message to America this morning, then, is this: If you fit this definition of a ___, fear the United States because you will lose your liberties
McCarthy Ashcroft

6 . The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because our only powerful, potential enemy has sent men to invade our shores, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have been treated so well by this nation.
McCarthy Ashcroft

7 . there have been a few voices who have criticized. Some have sought to condemn us with faulty facts or without facts at all. Others have simply rushed to judgment, almost eagerly assuming the worst of their government before they've had a chance to understand it at its best.
McCarthy Ashcroft

8 . While I cannot take the time to name all of the men ... who have been named as members of ___ and members of a spy ring, I have here in my hand a list of 205 that were known to the secretary of state as being members of ___
McCarthy Ashcroft

9 . I have in my hand 57 cases of individuals who would appear to be either card-carrying members or certainly loyal to the ___
McCarthy Ashcroft

10 . It's consistent with our effort ... for freedom-loving nations around the world to root out ___ and those who support ___
McCarthy Ashcroft

11 . Ladies and gentlemen, can there be anyone here tonight who is so blind as to say that the war is not on?
McCarthy Ashcroft

12 . The Senator from Illinois demanded, loudly, that I furnish all the names. I told him at that time that so far as I was concerned, I thought that would be improper
McCarthy Ashcroft

13 . To those ... who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid ___, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends
McCarthy Ashcroft

14 . As one of our outstanding historical figures once said, "When a great democracy is destroyed, it will not be because of enemies from without but rather because of enemies from within."
McCarthy Ashcroft

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etech

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Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.
 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: etech
Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.

I'm curious, would you rather wait until five of our freedoms are taken away until you act?
 

etech

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: etech
Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.

I'm curious, would you rather wait until five of our freedoms are taken away until you act?


Answer the question or don't bother replying, thank you for your time.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: etech
Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.

Try and make a fishing holes with ammonium nitrate.
 

TNTrulez

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: etech
Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.

I'm curious, would you rather wait until five of our freedoms are taken away until you act?


Answer the question or don't bother replying, thank you for your time.

How about we just flame you instead of replying to your question; that works well so it seems.
 

etech

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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How about just answering the question if you can.

That's also an alternative, well perhaps it is if someone actually knows what they are talking about and aren't just parroting certain web sites.

We will see.
 

Entity

Lifer
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What about his imposed limitations on the Freedom of Information Act? Now, were I to file a request for specific information from the FOIA, it would be subject to a more restricted sense of what is a "legitimate" request.

I encourage your agency to carefully consider the protection of all such values and interests when making disclosure determinations under the FOIA. Any discretionary decision by your agency to disclose information protected under the FOIA should be made only after full and deliberate consideration of the institutional, commercial, and personal privacy interests that could be implicated by disclosure of the information.

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2001foiapost19.htm

You can do this without insulting people, etech.

Rob
 

Zebo

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-Carnivore is a violation of my fouth amendment rights


You really are dense have you read the provisions of the patriot act.

Here are some things I read:

-spying on us w/o a judges sig (there a thing called checks and balances in the const)
-Detention of citzens w/o trial w/o lawyer over a 100o are still in custody years later w/o lawyer (can u say japanese interment camps but this time they don't even get to take thier families)
-attoney-client privalige is no more
-wire taps again are premitted w/o judge

So ya my right could be violated everyday and I'd never know it. Then once I'm aressted I can't see a lawyer, then when I fianally can everthing said the government had privy to. Smacks in the face of everything the founding father and the bill of rights gives us. And worst of all the terrorists have won and you don' t even see it before your face. The government which you seem to trust is treating law abiding citzens like crap. have you flown recently? Ido about once a week and it's a Serious invasion of my privacy everytime. To even me who is basically illiterate the bill of rights is clear as a bell, written in simpletons language. And these provisions violate just about every one of them. That you cant' see that is really sad and which is popluar and also why ths nation is a nanny poilice state getting worse on both fronts.
 

UDT89

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: 308nato
yawwwn

Enemies foreign and domestic.

That should wake you up a bit. Ashcroft has done more to take away freedoms than Saddam ever could.

yea lets compare ashcroft to saddam,

shows your intelligence level........last time i checked ashcroft didnt kill citizens of his country
 

stormbv

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Originally posted by: etech
Infos

I'm curious, can you list five specific freedoms that have been taken away from you. Not something vague and hard to define but something you cannot do now that you could before.

I think if you believe in the purity of the freedoms we have in the United States, then you wouldn't care whether or not those freedoms are taken away from your or from someone else. Freedom is freedom...taking it away from someone else is one step closer to taking it away from me.
 

tcsenter

Lifer
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The Constitution died? What...again?

How many times can it die? Its like a cat or something.

An entire century "+" of a gradual wittling away the protections of the constitution and expanding the powers of the federal government, but Ashcroft killed it.
rolleye.gif
 

wnied

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Another mindless thread thats slowly turned into bashing of the current administration.

Woohoo! Mediocrity!
~wnied~
 

etech

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Entity
What about his imposed limitations on the Freedom of Information Act? Now, were I to file a request for specific information from the FOIA, it would be subject to a more restricted sense of what is a "legitimate" request.

I encourage your agency to carefully consider the protection of all such values and interests when making disclosure determinations under the FOIA. Any discretionary decision by your agency to disclose information protected under the FOIA should be made only after full and deliberate consideration of the institutional, commercial, and personal privacy interests that could be implicated by disclosure of the information.

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2001foiapost19.htm

You can do this without insulting people, etech.

Rob


What did that prove? I asked for a specific list of five freedoms that were taken away by Ashcroft. I would also like to add that I would like to see the reference to the bill and note the section that you are referring to please. I didn't insult anyone.


Carboynl,
-Carnivore is a violation of my fouth amendment rights


You really are dense have you read the provisions of the patriot act.

Here are some things I read:

-spying on us w/o a judges sig (there a thing called checks and balances in the const)
-Detention of citzens w/o trial w/o lawyer over a 100o are still in custody years later w/o lawyer (can u say japanese interment camps but this time they don't even get to take thier families)
-attoney-client privalige is no more
-wire taps again are premitted w/o judge

So ya my right could be violated everyday and I'd never know it. Then once I'm aressted I can't see a lawyer, then when I fianally can everthing said the government had privy to. Smacks in the face of everything the founding father and the bill of rights gives us. And worst of all the terrorists have won and you don' t even see it before your face. The government which you seem to trust is treating law abiding citzens like crap. have you flown recently? Ido about once a week and it's a Serious invasion of my privacy everytime. To even me who is basically illiterate the bill of rights is clear as a bell, written in simpletons language. And these provisions violate just about every one of them. That you cant' see that is really sad and which is popluar and also why ths nation is a nanny poilice state getting worse on both fronts.

I would like references to the bills and pertinent sections please.

stormbv
Please be specific, it shouldn't be that hard if the Constitution been so ripped asunder.


TNTrulez
Ignored until you post something worth responding to.
 

Cerb

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Ashcroft? Eh...I can't trust anyone who even remotely resembles The Smoking Man.
 

n0cmonkey

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Ill try to be ATOT about this:

Anyone that does not find this scary and humiliating should leave the country!

That doesnt feel very good. Screw it. The people bitching here that some of us like the constitution or think the fact that "if we arent terrorists we dont have to worry" are just idiots. Plain and simple.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: 308nato yawwwn
Enemies foreign and domestic. That should wake you up a bit. Ashcroft has done more to take away freedoms than Saddam ever could.
yea lets compare ashcroft to saddam, shows your intelligence level........last time i checked ashcroft didnt kill citizens of his country

Well this thread is about the Constitution. Do you understand the concept of context?

Did you read the link?

If so, I suggest there are remedial classes availible for those with questionable comprehension skills.

Also if you have not noticed, it is possible to have AMERICAN law enforcement take you away INDEFINITELY without regard to HABEAS CORPUS (sorry it is two big funny words. Difficult concept for you I understand) based on SUSPICION. SADDAM is NOT at the head of law enforcement in the US. HE CANNOT AND HAS NEVER COME ONTO US SOIL AND DONE THE ABOVE. THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE. NOW.

Sorry to yell, but you seem to have trouble hearing.







 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Entity
What about his imposed limitations on the Freedom of Information Act? Now, were I to file a request for specific information from the FOIA, it would be subject to a more restricted sense of what is a "legitimate" request.

I encourage your agency to carefully consider the protection of all such values and interests when making disclosure determinations under the FOIA. Any discretionary decision by your agency to disclose information protected under the FOIA should be made only after full and deliberate consideration of the institutional, commercial, and personal privacy interests that could be implicated by disclosure of the information.

http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foiapost/2001foiapost19.htm

You can do this without insulting people, etech.

Rob


What did that prove? I asked for a specific list of five freedoms that were taken away by Ashcroft. I would also like to add that I would like to see the reference to the bill and note the section that you are referring to please. I didn't insult anyone.


Carboynl,
-Carnivore is a violation of my fouth amendment rights


You really are dense have you read the provisions of the patriot act.

Here are some things I read:

-spying on us w/o a judges sig (there a thing called checks and balances in the const)
-Detention of citzens w/o trial w/o lawyer over a 100o are still in custody years later w/o lawyer (can u say japanese interment camps but this time they don't even get to take thier families)
-attoney-client privalige is no more
-wire taps again are premitted w/o judge

So ya my right could be violated everyday and I'd never know it. Then once I'm aressted I can't see a lawyer, then when I fianally can everthing said the government had privy to. Smacks in the face of everything the founding father and the bill of rights gives us. And worst of all the terrorists have won and you don' t even see it before your face. The government which you seem to trust is treating law abiding citzens like crap. have you flown recently? Ido about once a week and it's a Serious invasion of my privacy everytime. To even me who is basically illiterate the bill of rights is clear as a bell, written in simpletons language. And these provisions violate just about every one of them. That you cant' see that is really sad and which is popluar and also why ths nation is a nanny poilice state getting worse on both fronts.

I would like references to the bills and pertinent sections please.

stormbv
Please be specific, it shouldn't be that hard if the Constitution been so ripped asunder.


TNTrulez
Ignored until you post something worth responding to.


For you ete4ch no way I aste my time like that. Your too stupid to undersdtand how it's written and even dumber to comprehend the coorelation to your liberty, however for the others
Here is and excellent breakbown section by section And here is the Full text of the patriot act to cross refernece if you interested
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: 308nato yawwwn
Enemies foreign and domestic. That should wake you up a bit. Ashcroft has done more to take away freedoms than Saddam ever could.
yea lets compare ashcroft to saddam, shows your intelligence level........last time i checked ashcroft didnt kill citizens of his country

Well this thread is about the Constitution. Do you understand the concept of context?

Did you read the link?

If so, I suggest there are remedial classes availible for those with questionable comprehension skills.

Also if you have not noticed, it is possible to have AMERICAN law enforcement take you away INDEFINITELY without regard to HABEAS CORPUS (sorry it is two big funny words. Difficult concept for you I understand) based on SUSPICION. SADDAM is NOT at the head of law enforcement in the US. HE CANNOT AND HAS NEVER COME ONTO US SOIL AND DONE THE ABOVE. THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE. NOW.

Sorry to yell, but you seem to have trouble hearing.
It's the potential abuse of our rights that is frightening, especially with Ashcroft at the helm.

You ever wonder what all these commercials by the Government stating that Drug Use funds terrorism are about. Could it be that they are just beginning to pave the way for the DOJ to start arresting those who smoke pot as "Those who give support to Terrorists"?

 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: 308nato yawwwn
Enemies foreign and domestic. That should wake you up a bit. Ashcroft has done more to take away freedoms than Saddam ever could.
yea lets compare ashcroft to saddam, shows your intelligence level........last time i checked ashcroft didnt kill citizens of his country
Well this thread is about the Constitution. Do you understand the concept of context? Did you read the link? If so, I suggest there are remedial classes availible for those with questionable comprehension skills. Also if you have not noticed, it is possible to have AMERICAN law enforcement take you away INDEFINITELY without regard to HABEAS CORPUS (sorry it is two big funny words. Difficult concept for you I understand) based on SUSPICION. SADDAM is NOT at the head of law enforcement in the US. HE CANNOT AND HAS NEVER COME ONTO US SOIL AND DONE THE ABOVE. THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE. NOW. Sorry to yell, but you seem to have trouble hearing.
It's the potential abuse of our rights that is frightening, especially with Ashcroft at the helm. You ever wonder what all these commercials by the Government stating that Drug Use funds terrorism are about. Could it be that they are just beginning to pave the way for the DOJ to start arresting those who smoke pot as "Those who give support to Terrorists"?

Possibly yes, and it will find wide spread support on this board. Massive arrests, no, but enough so the public becomes frightened.
 

Zebo

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Interesting point you came to Red. Hell then the libs coould jump in too, and prosocute those who drive SUVs:)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Interesting point you came to Red. Hell then the libs coould jump in too, and prosocute those who drive SUVs:)
This is not a Liberal vs Conservative issue.