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the dallas mavericks are very scary now

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hans007

Lifer
they still havent beaten the lakers this year, but with the guys they just got

they can have a big starting 5 of


nash, finley, nowitski, lafrenz and bradley


or a smaller but still big starting 5 of

nash, vanexel, nowitski, finley and lafrenz

with avery johnson off the bench. tariq abdul wahad can back up finley and dirk at the 3. they are sick.

also goldenstate basically got nothing for marc jackson, so i think the twolves are gonna be better since rasho and loren woods are far worse than jackson
 
loren woods is actually a very good player. he just needs some more pt to develop. personally, i think he might even have more potential than marc jackson. that whiny b1tch. 🙂

loudOne
 
woods i think was good like the first 10 games. the guy is too skinny right now. but yeah you are right. i dont htink nesterovich or whatever his name is, is ever gonna be consistantly a decent center tho.
 
A lot of talent, but Nick could bring them down if he gets in a pissy mood. Nick has a tendency to piss people off. Why do you think they shipped him out of LA and Denver? They might actually be able to beat the Lakers once in awhile now (what's it like 42 out of the past 40 for the Lakers), because Nick always does well against the Lakers.
 
nick the quick brings a lot to the table, but now they are in the same position that portland was a few years ago. each of their starters (arguably) are of "star" status. so many talented players leads to not enough shots to go around. which leads to internal conflict/strife. to cuban's credit, he has been a huge part of the harmony that exists in the mav's locker room, but whenever you add the volatile van excellent to a team, watch out. he's been known to be an egotistic troublemaker, and lets not forget that del harris (his former coach in la, who he did NOT get along with) is an assistant coach in dallas. eeek.

5 stars will get you to the finals, but to win it all you usually need two superstars and a bunch of role players (see: kobe/shaq, david/tim, magic/kareem, jordan/pippen).

i think nash put it best, when a reporter asked him what dallas was missing in order to win a championship. his answer? SHAQ. 😀

loudOne
 
Sounded like a pretty decent deal for Dallas. Howard was sucking a$$ the majority of this year, missing Hardaway kinda hurts since he has nailed some big shots for us this year. But I'd take Lafrenz and Exel over them 2 any day.

Expect to see alot of the smaller lineup since Nelson loves small ball (that and Bradley also sucks a$$ this year), we can pretty much out fire anyone in the league now. Should be interesting if our firepower can overcome Shaq and Duncan in the playoffs this year...
 
remember the Blazers? They had the dream team and they still lost to the Lakers. Hell, they still have a dream team in Portland, but they aren't listed as contenders anymore.

Talent != championships
 


<< Kidd and the Nets will ownz them! 😛
Actually, they did last time they played... go K-Mart! 😀 >>



Eh?? The Mavs won both games against the Nets this year. Sorry man, everyone knows the real NBA championship is crowned during the Western Finals... hehe.
 
Talent wise, clearly the Mavs got the better end of the deal, but I don't know if those two are good fits for Dallas. Dirk, Finley, and Nash do most of their scoring, they needed some big bodies to bang with the West's other top teams...LaFrenz is a good player, but more of a perimiter player on offense, like Dirk..

I was at the Cavs/Lakers game tonight.....unless someone gets hurt, I still don't see anyone beating the Lakers this year....
 
I just don't see how that trade helps the Mavericks. It's obvious their goal is to just outscore everyone, but let me tell you, that doesn't work. A few seasons ago, when the Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, and Elden Campbell, they were the most talented and explosive offensive team in the league. They won a lot of regular season games, but come playoff time, they got bounced. Why? They couldn't play defense, and they didn't have a refined halfcourt offense, two things needed to win in the playoffs.

The Mavericks are currently the worst defensive team in the league, and that trade did absolutely nothing to improve that. I don't care how many blocks per game Raef Lafrentz averages, he is not what can be considered a great defensive player. Blocking a few shots a game is one thing, but being able to play good position defense, and stop people is something completely different. And he is not a team changing defensive player. He's not taking the worst defensive team in the league, and turning them into one of the best. Also, I can't wait to see Nick sulk on the bench when Steve Nash plays more minutes than him every night. Nick may play nice for awhile, but eventually he will turn pissy and whine like a baby. He's done it his whole career, and it won't stop in Dallas.

I know exactly who Cuban had in mind when making that trade, the Lakers (who doesn't when making moves). He thinks Nick will play well against his old team, and Raef will draw Shaq out of the paint. Let me tell you, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than that in the playoffs. It might win a regular season game against the Lakers, but the playoffs are a whole different animal. When the Mavs start playing championship level defense, call me.
 
I wonder how well Van Exel will take coming off the bench....if he can accept that, the formula might work.

Like someone mentioned earlier, they already have alot of scoring...

On paper it looks like a nice deal, but I'll wait to see the games.

In the meantime, GO PISTONS!!!! 😀 Great example of good teamwork over big names 😉
 


<< Sorry man, everyone knows the real NBA championship is crowned during the Western Finals... hehe. >>


Like last year, when the Lakers dismantled the entire western conference and the only team that even put up a fight was Philly in the finals?

Right...
 
I thought the Lakers won the series 4-1, winning the last 4 in the row? Not a really a fan of either team, but that series wasn't exactly a dog fight either... The only fight was probably between Iverson vs the Lakers. The poor guy seems to have to work so hard for each shot. 😀
 
Never been a fans of Sixers, but I've to tip my hat off to Iverson on the final against Lakers. He fight to the end

About the Mavs, I don't think this deal will benefit them much. They need a strong center/power forward that can take their turn at Shaq or Duncan/Robinson or C-Webb. Either that or use Bradely, Wang and 2 other guy to kept fouling the big guy when he's going to score. It works sometimes, burn you on another time.
 


<< I just don't see how that trade helps the Mavericks. It's obvious their goal is to just outscore everyone, but let me tell you, that doesn't work. A few seasons ago, when the Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, and Elden Campbell, they were the most talented and explosive offensive team in the league. They won a lot of regular season games, but come playoff time, they got bounced. Why? They couldn't play defense, and they didn't have a refined halfcourt offense, two things needed to win in the playoffs.

The Mavericks are currently the worst defensive team in the league, and that trade did absolutely nothing to improve that. I don't care how many blocks per game Raef Lafrentz averages, he is not what can be considered a great defensive player. Blocking a few shots a game is one thing, but being able to play good position defense, and stop people is something completely different. And he is not a team changing defensive player. He's not taking the worst defensive team in the league, and turning them into one of the best. Also, I can't wait to see Nick sulk on the bench when Steve Nash plays more minutes than him every night. Nick may play nice for awhile, but eventually he will turn pissy and whine like a baby. He's done it his whole career, and it won't stop in Dallas.

I know exactly who Cuban had in mind when making that trade, the Lakers (who doesn't when making moves). He thinks Nick will play well against his old team, and Raef will draw Shaq out of the paint. Let me tell you, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than that in the playoffs. It might win a regular season game against the Lakers, but the playoffs are a whole different animal. When the Mavs start playing championship level defense, call me. >>




actually kobe was in his what 2nd year, and well the coach was del harris. c'mon if they had phil then theyd be on their way to the championship. if they had phil then, we probably woulda still dumped van exel for salary, but we'd never have gotten rid of jones in the most ill fated waste of a trade ever. Jerry West's trading prowess is overrated after that one . we got nothing for an all star guard and a near eastern conference all star center.
 
hans

i have to agree w/ you on the eddie trade.

can you imagine that lakers w/ eddie and elden back?

C- Shaq
PF- Elden Campbell (where they are weakest now btw)
SF / SG Kobe
SF / SG Eddie
PG (anyone)

wowsers.

if you had shaq and elden as your PF C, you dont' really need a legitimate SF (well, either kobe or eddie is more than good at SF)

 


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actually kobe was in his what 2nd year, and well the coach was del harris. c'mon if they had phil then theyd be on their way to the championship. >>



They they probably would have been on their way to the championship with Phil, because he would have had them playing defense. Like I said above, the reason that team with all its talent couldn't win in the playoffs, was they couldn't play defense. They can now.




<< if they had phil then, we probably woulda still dumped van exel for salary, but we'd never have gotten rid of jones in the most ill fated waste of a trade ever. Jerry West's trading prowess is overrated after that one . we got nothing for an all star guard and a near eastern conference all star center. >>



Eddie would have been gone eventually because he thought he deserved the max, which he didn't, and the Lakers could not afford to pay him under the new CBA anyway. He got what he wanted in Miami, even though he doesn't deserve it. I feel the max is reserved for franchise type players, and while I love Eddie, and he's a good player, he is no franchise player.

And Elden (or Seldom as I liked to call him), well Elden just needed to go. He has done ok in Charlotte, but he was getting paid way too much to be a back up center to Shaq, and he proved he could not play next to Shaq at the 4. He likes to play with his back to the basket, and he can't do that with Shaq in the game. The Lakers needed a PF that could step out and hit the 18-footer, and operate away from the basket. AC did that, Horace did that, and notice they've been trying to get Samaki to do that now?

Regardless of what anyone feels about the Jones, Campbell/Rice deal, no one can bitch about what has happened since then. The Lakers have no where near the highest paid team in the league, yet they are still back-to-back champs, and a good chance to win three. Teams like Dallas are spending like crazy just to try to keep up.

 

Eddie would have been gone eventually because he thought he deserved the max, which he didn't, and the Lakers could not afford to pay him under the new CBA anyway. He got what he wanted in Miami, even though he doesn't deserve it. I feel the max is reserved for franchise type players, and while I love Eddie, and he's a good player, he is no franchise player.



i dont think eddie would have gotten the max in LA. his stats didnt blow up until he was in charlotte that one full season. besides he might have taken less to be on a championship caliber team. then again miami was supposed to be one.
 
In the midst of the trade, I feel bad for Tim Hardaway.

Old school father of the killer crossover (back when players thought it was illegal to palm the ball 😉), now reduced to journeyman.
 


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i dont think eddie would have gotten the max in LA. his stats didnt blow up until he was in charlotte that one full season. besides he might have taken less to be on a championship caliber team. then again miami was supposed to be one. >>



No he wouldn't have gotten the max, because they Lakers didn't want to pay it, hence he was traded. Eddie wanted the max though. He indicated to management that he would want the max salary after the new CBA was put in place, and they knew they couldn't afford to keep him.




<< In the midst of the trade, I feel bad for Tim Hardaway. >>



I agree. He went to Dallas expecting to play on a team that would go deep in the playoffs, and ends up getting shipped to the Nuggets. Nice work Mark.
 
Get Barkley to take Bradley to dinner sometime. He needs to beef up.

Yeah, Hardaway used to be real cool. Now everyone's going for speed and agility- the skinny guys like Kobe.
 
I remember those old clips of Hardaway busting crossovers on Stockton....now it's who can extend the ball the furthest and make the most out of a carry. However, it is nice to watch Iverson, Kobe, Francis, and Baron Davis fake guys out of their shoes and break some ankles.
 
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