The cry against "sniper" rifles is starting to come in congress.

[Graphicd00d]

Just remember that once they have all of our guns, tyranny will pop its ugly head out to devour you. Ask a survivor of the holocaust what Hitler did to take control. Once the public is disarmed, they can do whatever they want to because their will be no resistence. Look at the difference between the UK and Switzerland. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world. Why? Because every person who is old enough is given a sub-machine gun with a can of ammo and are trained to use it properly by it's government. That is why Hitler never dared to step foot in Switzerland. Now the UK has one of the highest crime rates. Why? Because the law abiding citizens can't protect themselves because the government banned all of their guns. That gives the criminals free reign to do what they want because they will always have a weapon.
The best defense against tyranny is an armed populace.

 

[Moonbeam]

The best defense against tyranny is an armed populace.
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Waco Texas proved that.

 

[CubicZirconia]

Guns don't kill people; people kill people.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The best defense against tyranny is an armed populace.
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Waco Texas proved that.

You're right. What kind of a country is this that we live in when ATF soldiers aren't safe while attacking citizens homes?

 

[Zebo]

The first amendment hasn't been attacked? Hate crime legislation is a direct attack on the first amendment.

Oh, yeah, thats right. So whos doing is that one?

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The best defense against tyranny is an armed populace.
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Waco Texas proved that.

And about a million other Wacos would be on our hands if they tried to straight away outlaw the guns with one bill. Which is why they congress has been doing it incrementally hoping the generational erosion the resistance will go away with only little skrimishes like Waco. Then when we are unarmed, with no prayer of rebellion we start forced slavery. I expect to see 90% income taxes with most everything we do regulated and federal. A governemt job will be the norm for most of us. The Democrats will get thier superfund cleanups and the Rebulicans will get baby DNA fingerprints. We'll live in a police state like our former mortal enemys USSR and China who we seem to love nowerdays. Well at least Jerry Rice will probably still be playing.

 

[desy]

Wow lots of irrational ideas here 😉
1 He is not a sniper , he doesn't use sniper equipment or shoot at the distances snipers would, period.
2 You are more likely to get in car crash and die fleeing the crime scene than you are to get shot, statistically. .
3 Gun registration or fingerprinting doesn't work, here in Canada it is failing miserably due to several factors, cost, non compliance, the vast multitude of weapon types, lots don't even have serial numbers. They are too easy to modify, every bullet that goes down the barrell changes it you can swap bolts, barrels etc.
4 Who is to say people don't need firearms? I personally don't think we need ballet yet it still exists? Get it?

There are 10's of millions maybe even a hundred Million owners of firearms in the States and ONE decides to go nuts therefore 100,000,000 people need to be punished?
Sorry doesn't hold up, All you chicken littles make me sick, the world is an unsafe place with NO guarantees no mattter how you try to sanitize it sorry. Grow up. .
Rent the movie Brazil for a prime example of gov't control gone rampant.

 

[Amused]

To the person who claims us having to register cars means we should have to register firearms:

The right to drive a car on publicly maintained roads is not a Constitutional right. The right to keep and bear arms is. How would you feel having to register before you could enjoy your freedom of speech, religion, right to a fair trial, or privacy?

The same person said "no one is going to take your guns!"

Bullsh!t. That was the claim in England and Australia for years... and guess what? They ended up taking almost all the guns. Gun grabbers KNOW they can't make it happen all at once, so they do it in increments. One thing IS a constant though: Before EVERY gun ban in EVERY country, registration preceded it. In ALL cases, registration has led to an eventual ban on guns and confiscation.

Gun registration, just as with car registration would be worthless in solving crimes. Car registration's main purpose is to collect taxes. Both would only tell you who the last LEGAL owner was (and the police can already find out who the last legal owner of a gun was). NEITHER can tell you who stole the car/gun and used it in a crime.

Criminals are smart enough to not use their own cars in the commission of a crime, WTF makes you think they'd use their own guns?

Gun registration has only one real purpose: To know who the legal gun owners are. This info can only be used for two things: To tax, or to know where to go when you ban guns and need to confiscate the weapons.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Main Entry: mi·li·tia
Pronunciation: m&-'li-sh&
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, military service, from milit-, miles
Date: circa 1660
1 a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

A strict interpretation of the constitution would decree that any CITIZEN who intends on using their weapon for military service is entitled to own a gun.
A loose interpretation would be that any citizen can own a gun for whatever purpose they desire.

edit: tags
The right to own guns is not for sport/murder (obviously), but to secure a "free state".

At least, that's how I look at it.

Umm... All that says is able to enter military service. It says nothing about intent to enter military service. Hell there are armed 8 year olds in Palestine, so that means just about anyone could own a gun. Though in this country it would have to be 18+ since that's military age. Either way, it's ability, not intent.

 

[JellyBaby]

Gun laws banning sniper rifles would not have stopped this guy or prevent future indicents involving such weapons. Criminals can easily obtain weapons outside the "system".

 

[Valinos]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Switzerland yet. Per capita, they are one of the most armed populations...and per capita they have one of the lowest crime rates.

If you need proof, do a google search on "switzerland gun laws"

EDIT: I forgot to mention that all males between the ages of 20 to 42 are required to own a firearm...and many own fully automatic assault rifles and submachine guns.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Amused
To the person who claims us having to register cars means we should have to register firearms:

The right to drive a car on publicly maintained roads is not a Constitutional right. The right to keep and bear arms is. How would you feel having to register before you could enjoy your freedom of speech, religion, right to a fair trial, or privacy?

The same person said "no one is going to take your guns!"

Bullsh!t. That was the claim in England and Australia for years... and guess what? They ended up taking almost all the guns. Gun grabbers KNOW they can't make it happen all at once, so they do it in increments. One thing IS a constant though: Before EVERY gun ban in EVERY country, registration preceded it. In ALL cases, registration has led to an eventual ban on guns and confiscation.

Gun registration, just as with car registration would be worthless in solving crimes. Car registration's main purpose is to collect taxes. Both would only tell you who the last LEGAL owner was (and the police can already find out who the last legal owner of a gun was). NEITHER can tell you who stole the car/gun and used it in a crime.

Criminals are smart enough to not use their own cars in the commission of a crime, WTF makes you think they'd use their own guns?

Gun registration has only one real purpose: To know who the legal gun owners are. This info can only be used for two things: To tax, or to know where to go when you ban guns and need to confiscate the weapons.

Hey you changed user name since I came back from bandage, cool. I was wondering who this Amused was but this post clued me in. Excellent.


Just curious how they are able to institute these incremental bans. Like last week .50 cal are now banned in L.A. county. Seems the supreme court would through this out? No? I just joined NRA so I'm a bit outtadaloop as far as legislation is argued and passed.

 

[Zebo]

Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

 

[Valinos]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

What's being homogenous have to do with anything? Anyway, you are wrong about Switzerland...out of 12 million people, 1.2 million are foreigners.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

What's being homogenous have to do with anything? Anyway, you are wrong about Switzerland...out of 12 million people, 1.2 million are foreigners.

Not to mention they have no less than four major languages and a wide variety in cultures among regions. Switzerland is NOT homogenous.

Japan, on the other hand, is the epitomy of "homogenous."

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

What's being homogenous have to do with anything? Anyway, you are wrong about Switzerland...out of 12 million people, 1.2 million are foreigners.

Call me crazy but it's human nature to get along with your own kind. Is'nt most of the conflicts going on right now in the world due to ethnic, religous and/or cultural strife? 1.2 million? that's 10% from where? Other western-eruo counties and about 30,000 from East Timor. Switzerland is constantly taking heat for it's refuge allowances from third world counties. It's been about 10 years, and things could have changed but I never saw anything but anglos there when I visited. So yea I could be wrong.

But you missed the point. All comparisons are bogus. Everything is different about these counties. We should only be comparing crime rates here in the USA. either in the past rates to current or places where they have instituted such stict gun control laws. For example, How many mass murderes did one see in the 20's when almost every type of weapon was legal and unregistered?

 

[Valinos]

But you missed the point. All comparisons are bogus. Everything is different about these counties. We should only be comparing crime rates here in the USA. either in the past rates to current or places where they have instituted such stict gun control laws. For example, How many mass murderes did one see in the 20's when almost every type of weapon was legal and unregistered?

I didn't miss the point. Western European culture is much like our own, although no country's culture will be the same. The murder rate during the years of Prohibition was about the same as it is now. In some years, it was lower. A few years after Prohibition was out the door, the murder rate fell drastically. So, I wouldn't lay the blame on automatic weapons...they were a rarity in the 20's and 30's anyway.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

What's being homogenous have to do with anything? Anyway, you are wrong about Switzerland...out of 12 million people, 1.2 million are foreigners.

Call me crazy but it's human nature to get along with your own kind. Is'nt most of the conflicts going on right now in the world due to ethnic, religous and/or cultural strife? 1.2 million? that's 10% from where? Other western-eruo counties and about 30,000 from East Timor. Switzerland is constantly taking heat for it's refuge allowances from third world counties. It's been about 10 years, and things could have changed but I never saw anything but anglos there when I visited. So yea I could be wrong.

But you missed the point. All comparisons are bogus. Everything is different about these counties. We should only be comparing crime rates here in the USA. either in the past rates to current or places where they have instituted such stict gun control laws. For example, How many mass murderes did one see in the 20's when almost every type of weapon was legal and unregistered?

And before anyone goes off on organized crime and legal/unregistered weapons... that was a prohibition issue.

 

[Wiz]

The most politeand HUMAN place on earth is at a rifle range.
Believe me, if there's anywhere that people respect others it's where every other person present has the ability to take you out if you are a fu*kup.
That's what we need more of.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Wiz
The most politeand HUMAN place on earth is at a rifle range.
Believe me, if there's anywhere that people respect others it's where every other person present has the ability to take you out if you are a fu*kup.
That's what we need more of.

True.


"An armed society is a polite society"

 

[Moonbeam]

"An armed society is a polite society"
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Complete and utter BS. The only civilized place I've ever seen was London, the city of sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I felt like Lord Greystoke there. I'd bet Tokyo is the same. I bet population density equals politeness more than fear.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
"An armed society is a polite society"
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Complete and utter BS. The only civilized place I've ever seen was London, the city of sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I felt like Lord Greystoke there. I'd bet Tokyo is the same. I bet population density equals politeness more than fear.

Two words to destroy your theory: New York

 

[IGBT]

This should be a death penalty issue not a gun control issue. When the sniper is caught should we give him life in the slam so he can be coddled by the hand wringing soft headed liberals??

 

[Moonbeam]

Mookow, that the US, it's full of guns.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Mookow, that the US, it's full of guns.

Handguns are banned in New York, though, Moonbeam. Please dont tell me that the criminal element of our society would continue to carry weapons after they are banned!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Valinos

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Dude it's been said in everythread regauding GC including this one.. The Right Loves Swizterland, the Left Loves Japan. They are both homogenous (white and japanese) police states as far as I'm concerned where I would never want to live.

What's being homogenous have to do with anything? Anyway, you are wrong about Switzerland...out of 12 million people, 1.2 million are foreigners.

Not to mention they have no less than four major languages and a wide variety in cultures among regions. Switzerland is NOT homogenous.

Japan, on the other hand, is the epitomy of "homogenous."

Sweden, Norway and Demark are homogenous and they have 4 different major languages and are even different countries.
I disagree about swizterland since it has had almost impossible immigration regs for since the 15th century. My uncle who has worked as a engineer for in Switzerland for 30+ years can't get citizenship an his kids who where even born there arn't Swiss citizens. It's all Swiss except for the rare assylum seeker, filty rich person or some former dictator of some third world country with lots of money. Go and see. So yea the Swiss Male citizens are required keep a gun but that eliminates much of the population since citzenship is almost impossible to achive for the last 600 years.