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The "Crack Tax" goes into effect in Tennessee

Puwaha

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From:

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/st...NS_348_3433794,00.html

NASHVILLE - Starting Saturday, Tennessee drug dealers and moonshiners will also become Tennessee tax dodgers unless they've purchased new stamps now available at state Department of Revenue offices.

"The way this is set up, once anyone comes into possession of an illegal substance, they have 48 hours to purchase a stamp," said Al Laney, the department's director of tax enforcement.

The taxpayer needs only to say what sort of illegal substance he or she possesses and how much, then pay the appropriate amount of money - $50 per gram for cocaine, for example. The person need not give a name and the law provides that purchase of the stamp will be kept confidential and forbids revenue officials from asking any questions.

Laney said, however, that "we don't expect a lot of people to walk in off the street and buy these stamps."

In North Carolina, which adopted the law used as a model for the new Tennessee law 13 years ago, only 79 people have voluntarily purchased the tax stamps during that period, Laney said. North Carolina officials believe "the vast majority" of those were stamp collectors, he said.

The Tar Heel stamps are "pretty," he said, while "in Tennessee our stamps are very, very generic" because officials wanted to "discourage collectors from just coming in and buying them."

"We are serious about this, and we do not want the public to take this as a frivolous undertaking," Laney said.

The proposal was nicknamed "the crack tax" by the sponsors, who say the new levy will provide much-needed money for law enforcement efforts.

When the tax was enacted by the Legislature last session, it was projected to generate $3.6 million in revenue each year. Virtually all of that is expected to come when law enforcement officers seize illegal substances, then assess taxes against the owners.

"We'll make a demand for payment to that drug dealer and, if that drug dealer does not pay us immediately, then we will begin to seize any assets that we can find, sell those assets at public auction and apply the proceeds to the tax due," he said.

The law provides that 75 percent of the proceeds will go to the law enforcement agency that seizes the substance and 25 percent to the state's general fund.

For marijuana, the tax applies to quantities of more than 42.5 grams. Freshly harvested marijuana, including stalks and stems, is taxed at 40 cents per gram over that amount while processed marijuana, excluding stalks and stems, is taxed at $3.50 per gram over the 42.5 gram threshold.

For cocaine, the tax kicks in with possession of more than seven grams. Illegally obtained prescription drugs, such as OxyContin and anabolic steroids, are taxed at $200 for every 10 pills. The first 10 pills in possession are exempt from the tax.

Moonshine is taxed at $12.80 per gallon, regardless of amount, if sold in containers. If sold by the drink, the tax rate is $31.70 per gallon.

The Department of Revenue has hired 10 people to handle enforcement of the new tax - an administrator in Nashville and three agents in each of the state's three grand divisions. In East Tennessee, the three agents will be based in the state office building on Henley Street in Knoxville, Laney said.

The department is spending $300,000 in startup costs, Laney said, and expects to spend $800,000 per year to keep the program running. If the tax generates $3.6 million in new revenue, the state's 25 percent share would more than cover cost of operating the program.

The bill establishing the new tax passed overwhelmingly in the Legislature earlier this year under sponsorship of Sen. Randy McNally, R-Oak Ridge, in the Senate and Rep. Charles Curtis, D-Sparta, in the House.

McNally said he had pushed for passage of similar legislation several years ago "and didn't get anywhere with it."

"With state revenues a lot tighter, it's pretty hard to leave that money lying on the table when it comes from people dealing drugs," he said.


Is it just me or are those taxes a little high? If someone were to purchase an "8-ball" (8 grams of coke) then the taxes would be $400... well in excess of the street value of the drug. This law is just setting people up to fail.

We have a failing TennCare health-system, and they want to setup more enforcement agencies? Shows where the priorities are in this state.

It only makes the "crime" of posession even more ridiculously illegal. It only creates more poverty, more pain, and more crime.

EDIT: Fixed the quoting
 
I read this report in the Knoxville paper while visiting the area last week. Here's the kicker:

"We'll make a demand for payment to that drug dealer and, if that drug dealer does not pay us immediately, then we will begin to seize any assets that we can find, sell those assets at public auction and apply the proceeds to the tax due," he said.
 
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.



in the same way that a minor pays tax when he buys cigarettes illegally. IT's illegal for the minor to purchase cigarettes, yet when he does, he must pay a tax
 
Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.



in the same way that a minor pays tax when he buys cigarettes illegally. IT's illegal for the minor to purchase cigarettes, yet when he does, he must pay a tax

There's a small difference. Cigs are sold legally to adults. Pot and coke are not legal for anyone to purchase, adult or not (with a few exceptions for medical use and research). I can't walk into 7-11 and pick up a dime bumpbag or a quarter of G-13.
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.

Doh! Yeah, you are right. Shows how long I've been out of the "scene". 🙂


I'm just wondering how this will stand up to judicial review?

 
Originally posted by: Puwaha
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.

Doh! Yeah, you are right. Shows how long I've been out of the "scene". 🙂


I'm just wondering how this will stand up to judicial review?
The judicial sector seems to bend the rules a bit when it comes to the war on drugs since no judge wants to be seen as soft on drugs lest it hurt any chances for re-election or appointment to a post. It's doubtful, were it to be brought to court, that any judge would rule against it unless they could figure on some angle that would trump the drug-related aspect of it.

It's an ages old trick to claim tax evasion. iirc, it was first used in this manner to convict Capone during the prohibition era.
 
One more item:

Moonshine is taxed at $12.80 per gallon, regardless of amount, if sold in containers. If sold by the drink, the tax rate is $31.70 per gallon.
If I'm not mistaken, I'm almost certain that a "hobbyist" can still obtain a permit in Tennessee to distill 'shine so long as the product is intended for either an "exhibition" (i.e. county fair demonstration) or not for human consumption (i.e. fuel). That may have changed since the 80s though.
 
Originally posted by: burnedout
"We'll make a demand for payment to that drug dealer and, if that drug dealer does not pay us immediately, then we will begin to seize any assets that we can find, sell those assets at public auction and apply the proceeds to the tax due," he said.
Someone help me, please! Okay...if you have evidence for someone illegally selling drugs, you bust them - you don't demand your taxes. On the other hand you don't have evidence of this illegal activity, why the fsck are they going to buy the stamps or identify themselves to begin with?!

*head explodes*
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: burnedout
"We'll make a demand for payment to that drug dealer and, if that drug dealer does not pay us immediately, then we will begin to seize any assets that we can find, sell those assets at public auction and apply the proceeds to the tax due," he said.
Someone help me, please! Okay...if you have evidence for someone illegally selling drugs, you bust them - you don't demand your taxes. On the other hand you don't have evidence of this illegal activity, why the fsck are they going to buy the stamps or identify themselves to begin with?!

*head explodes*
Well, I think the Vols look at the situation like a CYA type of deal. Say for instance Joe Blow grows and sells his own weed. If Joe doesn't purchase the tax stamps and is busted, then that gives the state another avenue to seize his property. However, if Joe is stupid enough to purchase stamps, then, well, you know.

Probably means more litigation fees for defense attorneys in the long run. Needless to say, it should be interesting to see how this stands up in court. Not sure how North Carolina has faired with the program.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: burnedout
"We'll make a demand for payment to that drug dealer and, if that drug dealer does not pay us immediately, then we will begin to seize any assets that we can find, sell those assets at public auction and apply the proceeds to the tax due," he said.
Someone help me, please! Okay...if you have evidence for someone illegally selling drugs, you bust them - you don't demand your taxes. On the other hand you don't have evidence of this illegal activity, why the fsck are they going to buy the stamps or identify themselves to begin with?!

*head explodes*

Further evidence the "War On Drugs" is an absolute joke and waste of taxpayer money.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
FYI, an 8-ball is 1/8 of an ounce of coke (@ 3.5 grams), not 8 grams.

This tax seems pretty ridiculous. How can the government legitimately tax a product that one is not legitimately allowed to possess. Makes no sense.

And that pretty much sums up the *entire* "War on Drugs".

Jason
 
Didn't read the article, but 2 things strike me about this:

1) Buying the ticket is an admission of Guilt

2) Not buying a ticket allows the DA to tack more charges onto the alleged Dealer
 
The state is looking for a way to make money out of the drug trade. If you go in and buy the stamps for all of your drugs you are essentially pyying a "look the other way" tax. THe state is not going to bust the guy who is paying his taxes and doing it legitemately.
 
Originally posted by: GuinnessExtraStout
The state is looking for a way to make money out of the drug trade. If you go in and buy the stamps for all of your drugs you are essentially pyying a "look the other way" tax. THe state is not going to bust the guy who is paying his taxes and doing it legitemately.

That could put an interesting twist on the market price there.....
 
I'm confused. It appears that this so-called tax has basically just legalized drugs, but at a very high price. For crying out loud, end the stupid drug war and just legalize drugs once and for all. This drug tax business sounds completely absurd.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
I'm confused. It appears that this so-called tax has basically just legalized drugs, but at a very high price. For crying out loud, end the stupid drug war and just legalize drugs once and for all. This drug tax business sounds completely absurd.

No, this is just a way to make seizing all of a convicted drug dealer's property and selling it legal, without the hassle of having to prove that said property was obtained with drug funds.

For example, if they have a million dollars worth of drugs, they owe 400,000 worth of taxes, which means that all of their stuff can be confiscated and sold to raise that 400,000 without even having to bother with any legal wrangling, personal rights or paperwork.

 
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