TheLidlessEye
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You think the current deficit is bad, just try paying for Kucinich's promise list. You could CONFISCATE all rich people's money and go broke in a couple of years of trying to pay for all that.
Only one candidate has submitted a bill to Congress that would establish genuinely universal health coverage -- nonprofit national health insurance for all.
Only one candidate has a plan to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and invest that money in a plan for universal public education, age 3-college.
Only one candidate has pledged to not only sign the Kyoto Treaty on global warming, but to lead our country to 20% renewable energy by the year 2010.
Only one candidate has sponsored legislation establishing a cabinet-level Department of Peace to participate in policy discussions alongside representatives of the Departments of State and Defense.
Only one candidate has a 98% lifetime pro-union voting record -- highest of all candidates as ranked by the AFL-CIO.
Only one candidate is calling for "living wages," not just minimum wages.
Only one candidate stands firmly against the privatization of Social Security and for returning the Social Security retirement age to 65.
Only one candidate has introduced legislation to repeal the Federal death penalty.
Only one candidate has been endorsed by Willie Nelson, Ani DiFranco, Studs Terkel, Ed Asner, Hector Elizondo, Barbara Ehrenreich, Arun Gandhi, Ben Cohen (of Ben and Jerry's) and Granny D (who walked across the country for campaign reform at age 89).
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Lieberman was Al Gore's Presidential running mate, you imbecile. He became a household name during the last Presidential campaign and went head-to-head with Dick Cheney on national television in the Presidential Debate.Sorry, but the polls before Iowa shows Kucinich above both Lieberman and Sharpton, yet all I saw was Lieberman plastered all over the news compared to Kucinich. the fact is, you can find papers where they show a listing of every candidate except Kucinich. Throw away your tattered 'conspiracy thorist' universal attack, there is no question that Kucinich has gotten the shaft by the media, and no doubt paid the price for it.
Kucinich was, or is, errr...nobody.
Please feel free to provide a source for this poll where Kucinich was ahead of Lieberman.
If you want to compare "only's", Ron Paul from Texas has a list of "only's" that would span several pages. You know, like:
"Ron Paul of Texas was the only member of the House who voted for..."
"Ron Paul of Texas was the only member of the House who voted against..."
"Ron Paul of Texas is the only candidate who supports..."
"Ron Paul of Texas is the only candidate who opposes..."
In fact, if you ever see a House vote that is something like "434 - 1" or "1 - 434", that "1" is probably Ron Paul. How much media attention do you see Ron Paul receiving?
I am rubbing my eyes, and pinching myself, because I cannot believe there are actually people who would attempt to argue the preposterous position that a candidate who opposes what the vast majority supports, and supports what the vast majority opposes, is a "mainstream" candidate who is not getting the attention he deserves.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Only one candidate has a plan to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and invest that money in a plan for universal public education, age 3-college.
Only helped America's wealthiest? Bullshit. My mom is far from wealthy and the Bush tax cut has helped her drastically this year. In the past year she almost doubled her wages as a nurse going from $50000, to $90000, without the Bush tax cut should be paying alot more.
Which is precisely why the 'corporate run media' would be giving round-the-clock uninterrupted coverage to Ron Paul on all channels, provided there was a stitch of logic or truth to these 'corporate media conspiracy' theories.Ron Paul, hes the "republican" liberatarians love... Anything to do with the government getting bigger he votes against. People are actually trying to "draft" him to run for president. He would be almost the extact opposite of Kucinich.
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Only one candidate has a plan to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and invest that money in a plan for universal public education, age 3-college.
Only helped America's wealthiest? Bullshit. My mom is far from wealthy and the Bush tax cut has helped her drastically this year. In the past year she almost doubled her wages as a nurse going from $50000, to $90000, without the Bush tax cut should be paying alot more.
While I don't know his whole stance on the Bush Tax Cuts, but that reads much like John Kerry and John Edwards plans to repeal the tax cuts for those making 200k+. Yes, there were some tax cuts for many, but the big ones were for the wealthy.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Which is precisely why the 'corporate run media' would be giving round-the-clock uninterrupted coverage to Ron Paul on all channels, provided there was a stitch of logic or truth to these 'corporate media conspiracy' theories.Ron Paul, hes the "republican" liberatarians love... Anything to do with the government getting bigger he votes against. People are actually trying to "draft" him to run for president. He would be almost the extact opposite of Kucinich.
And yet, Paul is every bit as obscure, unknown, and uncovered as Kucinich.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Which is precisely why the 'corporate run media' would be giving round-the-clock uninterrupted coverage to Ron Paul on all channels, provided there was a stitch of logic or truth to these 'corporate media conspiracy' theories.Ron Paul, hes the "republican" liberatarians love... Anything to do with the government getting bigger he votes against. People are actually trying to "draft" him to run for president. He would be almost the extact opposite of Kucinich.
And yet, Paul is every bit as obscure, unknown, and uncovered as Kucinich.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Only one candidate has a plan to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and invest that money in a plan for universal public education, age 3-college.
Only helped America's wealthiest? Bullshit. My mom is far from wealthy and the Bush tax cut has helped her drastically this year. In the past year she almost doubled her wages as a nurse going from $50000, to $90000, without the Bush tax cut should be paying alot more.
While I don't know his whole stance on the Bush Tax Cuts, but that reads much like John Kerry and John Edwards plans to repeal the tax cuts for those making 200k+. Yes, there were some tax cuts for many, but the big ones were for the wealthy.
So I guess they no longer use the 1% number. The whole tax cuts for the top 1%, includes everyone making over $50,000 a year. The rich didnt get bigger tax cuts. They got the same as everyone else in the top tax bracket, they just save more money, because they were paying more money.
Ah...ok. Silly me.You're not thinking clearly here tc. The corporate media already has the election in the bag provided K or D don't win. They don't need to promote a candidate and tip their hat to what they are about. The status quo is fine.
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Only one candidate has a plan to repeal Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and invest that money in a plan for universal public education, age 3-college.
Only helped America's wealthiest? Bullshit. My mom is far from wealthy and the Bush tax cut has helped her drastically this year. In the past year she almost doubled her wages as a nurse going from $50000, to $90000, without the Bush tax cut should be paying alot more.
While I don't know his whole stance on the Bush Tax Cuts, but that reads much like John Kerry and John Edwards plans to repeal the tax cuts for those making 200k+. Yes, there were some tax cuts for many, but the big ones were for the wealthy.
So I guess they no longer use the 1% number. The whole tax cuts for the top 1%, includes everyone making over $50,000 a year. The rich didnt get bigger tax cuts. They got the same as everyone else in the top tax bracket, they just save more money, because they were paying more money.
You saying the top 1% is anyone making over 50k? Maybe I am misunderstanding you but if not, do you want to check out what constitutes the top one percent and post it or should I?
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Originally posted by: tcsenter
... you imbecile.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Please feel free to provide a source for this poll where Kucinich was ahead of Lieberman.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
I am rubbing my eyes, and pinching myself, because I cannot believe there are actually people who would attempt to argue the preposterous position that a candidate who opposes what the vast majority supports, and supports what the vast majority opposes, is a "mainstream" candidate who is not getting the attention he deserves.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Yeah I have a heart. I dont believe in abortion or the death penalty.
But as for social programs, and social security. Well quite frankly my generation is the one going to be screwed over, not the generation before mine or the generation after. Current 18-25 year olds are the ones that will have to deal with all the problems, of course we can do what every other generation has done, and put a half assed band aid on it and pass it on. I hope we dont but we'll have to wait and see.
Do I have sympathy for the poor? Some I do, most I don't.
Do I have sympathy for the generations before me, specifically the baby boomers. Hell no. Its those generations that have caused all the problems, and have just passed them on.
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Yeah I have a heart. I dont believe in abortion or the death penalty.
But as for social programs, and social security. Well quite frankly my generation is the one going to be screwed over, not the generation before mine or the generation after. Current 18-25 year olds are the ones that will have to deal with all the problems, of course we can do what every other generation has done, and put a half assed band aid on it and pass it on. I hope we dont but we'll have to wait and see.
Do I have sympathy for the poor? Some I do, most I don't.
Do I have sympathy for the generations before me, specifically the baby boomers. Hell no. Its those generations that have caused all the problems, and have just passed them on.
These boomers (and I am towards the tail end of them) have been paying SS for a good long time, in significant amounts and not bitched because they were helping their parents who helped them. Many Boomers have not contributed as much towards retirement in order to provide a better life for their kids than they had, which WAS the American dream. Now, it seems they (we) are the cause of all the ills you have to contend with. Many are, but I see this generation now committing many same mistakes, with one exception. Screw their kids and screw their parents. Their american dream is for themselves. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Yeah I have a heart. I dont believe in abortion or the death penalty.
But as for social programs, and social security. Well quite frankly my generation is the one going to be screwed over, not the generation before mine or the generation after. Current 18-25 year olds are the ones that will have to deal with all the problems, of course we can do what every other generation has done, and put a half assed band aid on it and pass it on. I hope we dont but we'll have to wait and see.
Do I have sympathy for the poor? Some I do, most I don't.
Do I have sympathy for the generations before me, specifically the baby boomers. Hell no. Its those generations that have caused all the problems, and have just passed them on.
These boomers (and I am towards the tail end of them) have been paying SS for a good long time, in significant amounts and not bitched because they were helping their parents who helped them. Many Boomers have not contributed as much towards retirement in order to provide a better life for their kids than they had, which WAS the American dream. Now, it seems they (we) are the cause of all the ills you have to contend with. Many are, but I see this generation now committing many same mistakes, with one exception. Screw their kids and screw their parents. Their american dream is for themselves. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.
The fact remains, SS was a half ass banded when it was implemented, its always been a half assed band aid, and well quite frankly, yes I will bitch about it. It needs reformed, if its not reformed, Im(my generation) is left holding an empty sac.
The same can be said for every other current social program. All of them are going to cause major problems in 20-30 years, unless there are actual reforms of these programs. But there wont be reforms of these programs because that would require older generations to submit to them, and thats just not going to happen. It works both ways, their actions lead them down the road they are on, and now they dont want to budge when it comes to making changes for the long term benifit of the country. Their actions now will live on as problems well after they are dead.
And I never said there arent dumbasses in my generation. But the percentage is about the same across all generations.
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Yeah I have a heart. I dont believe in abortion or the death penalty.
But as for social programs, and social security. Well quite frankly my generation is the one going to be screwed over, not the generation before mine or the generation after. Current 18-25 year olds are the ones that will have to deal with all the problems, of course we can do what every other generation has done, and put a half assed band aid on it and pass it on. I hope we dont but we'll have to wait and see.
Do I have sympathy for the poor? Some I do, most I don't.
Do I have sympathy for the generations before me, specifically the baby boomers. Hell no. Its those generations that have caused all the problems, and have just passed them on.
These boomers (and I am towards the tail end of them) have been paying SS for a good long time, in significant amounts and not bitched because they were helping their parents who helped them. Many Boomers have not contributed as much towards retirement in order to provide a better life for their kids than they had, which WAS the American dream. Now, it seems they (we) are the cause of all the ills you have to contend with. Many are, but I see this generation now committing many same mistakes, with one exception. Screw their kids and screw their parents. Their american dream is for themselves. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.
The fact remains, SS was a half ass banded when it was implemented, its always been a half assed band aid, and well quite frankly, yes I will bitch about it. It needs reformed, if its not reformed, Im(my generation) is left holding an empty sac.
The same can be said for every other current social program. All of them are going to cause major problems in 20-30 years, unless there are actual reforms of these programs. But there wont be reforms of these programs because that would require older generations to submit to them, and thats just not going to happen. It works both ways, their actions lead them down the road they are on, and now they dont want to budge when it comes to making changes for the long term benifit of the country. Their actions now will live on as problems well after they are dead.
And I never said there arent dumbasses in my generation. But the percentage is about the same across all generations.
The problem you will run into is that if you take the attitude of "I don't care about them" then there is no reason why they should care about you. Rather, I think the idea of reform is a good one. Where the blame lies is with politicians who wanted to soak the funds for their own use, and that is just about every one of them. My mother had contributed to SS (quite a lot) and then worked for the federal govt. Well, she expected that she would get her retirement, but Ron R. decided to reduce her retirement to SS levels. She lost most of what she saved, and if it were not for us kids kicking in, she would be dead. There was "reform" that was theft of what she had already contributed, and at a time when it was too late for her to compensate for it.
I don't want my kids to be taxed into oblivion to support my generation, but demographically this is an enormous challenge. I would be interested in your ideas about reform that do not leave the elderly on the street.
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
You never know...after all, a majority of the voters like him in one state...
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Digitalism, is there such a thing as a digital heart?
What do you think of narcissism?
Yeah I have a heart. I dont believe in abortion or the death penalty.
But as for social programs, and social security. Well quite frankly my generation is the one going to be screwed over, not the generation before mine or the generation after. Current 18-25 year olds are the ones that will have to deal with all the problems, of course we can do what every other generation has done, and put a half assed band aid on it and pass it on. I hope we dont but we'll have to wait and see.
Do I have sympathy for the poor? Some I do, most I don't.
Do I have sympathy for the generations before me, specifically the baby boomers. Hell no. Its those generations that have caused all the problems, and have just passed them on.
These boomers (and I am towards the tail end of them) have been paying SS for a good long time, in significant amounts and not bitched because they were helping their parents who helped them. Many Boomers have not contributed as much towards retirement in order to provide a better life for their kids than they had, which WAS the American dream. Now, it seems they (we) are the cause of all the ills you have to contend with. Many are, but I see this generation now committing many same mistakes, with one exception. Screw their kids and screw their parents. Their american dream is for themselves. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.
The fact remains, SS was a half ass banded when it was implemented, its always been a half assed band aid, and well quite frankly, yes I will bitch about it. It needs reformed, if its not reformed, Im(my generation) is left holding an empty sac.
The same can be said for every other current social program. All of them are going to cause major problems in 20-30 years, unless there are actual reforms of these programs. But there wont be reforms of these programs because that would require older generations to submit to them, and thats just not going to happen. It works both ways, their actions lead them down the road they are on, and now they dont want to budge when it comes to making changes for the long term benifit of the country. Their actions now will live on as problems well after they are dead.
And I never said there arent dumbasses in my generation. But the percentage is about the same across all generations.
The problem you will run into is that if you take the attitude of "I don't care about them" then there is no reason why they should care about you. Rather, I think the idea of reform is a good one. Where the blame lies is with politicians who wanted to soak the funds for their own use, and that is just about every one of them. My mother had contributed to SS (quite a lot) and then worked for the federal govt. Well, she expected that she would get her retirement, but Ron R. decided to reduce her retirement to SS levels. She lost most of what she saved, and if it were not for us kids kicking in, she would be dead. There was "reform" that was theft of what she had already contributed, and at a time when it was too late for her to compensate for it.
I don't want my kids to be taxed into oblivion to support my generation, but demographically this is an enormous challenge. I would be interested in your ideas about reform that do not leave the elderly on the street.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im not saying I don't care about the generations before me. I do, but they seem reluctent to budge in any way, atleast IMHO. The politicans don't help matters either. Its the same way with the poor. There needs to be reform there too but they dont want to budge either.
There are alot of problems, that need to be fixed sooner rather than later, social security, medicare, medicad, healthcare, welfare, and education. Or they will have far reaching implications farther down the line. The band aids are going to run out, and all hell will break loose socially and economically when they do.
