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The Constitution of the US under attack?

randalee

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There is a quote that comes to mind that is of some importance to me. And I think of it any time people talk about things getting bad, and about the Constitution being torn up, and our rights taken away. This is the quote:

"Will the Constitution be destroyed? No; it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, 'The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.' It will be so." (JD 7:15, Brigham Young, 4 July 1854)

I've done a lot of thinking the last few days as we have been debating some political topics. I believe the United States is here because God had a hand in inspiring our forefathers to create it. They rebelled from tyrants and were able to create a land of liberty. It's a place where people could be free to speak and worship how they wished, without fear of kings or tyrants.

I know things will get a lot worse before it gets better. But I KNOW that in the end, LIBERTY will prevail. The people will be heard. Yes, the nation will hang upon a thread, but it will be saved by the PEOPLE. You may not think the same about Brigham Young as I, but even if you write him off as a "wacky Mormon", he was a wise man -- I believe inspired by God.

I believe John Moses Browning was a man inspired by God. He created tools that would help us to defeat tyrants and those that would take away freedom.

I believe, more than anything, in free agency. We are all free agents -- EVERYONE in the world. And everyone has the right to make choices to do whatever they like. Many in the world are supressed by tyrants, but at this point, we are the most free society in the world. If it comes time that we are no longer free, and the Constitution is comprimised, "hanging by a thread", I know we will step up and fight tyranny, by whatever means necessary, with words or with arms.

In the end, we will be free.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: randalee
I've done a lot of thinking the last few days as we have been debating some political topics. I believe the United States is here because God had a hand in inspiring our forefathers to create it. They rebelled from tyrants and were able to create a land of liberty. It's a place where people could be free to speak and worship how they wished, without fear of kings or tyrants.

You scare me. Too bad a lot of our founding fathers were Diest.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: randalee
Topic Title: The Constitution of the US under attack?
Topic Summary: Why I don't believe things will end up so bad...

There is a quote that comes to mind that is of some importance to me. And I think of it any time people talk about things getting bad, and about the Constitution being torn up, and our rights taken away. This is the quote:

"Will the Constitution be destroyed? No; it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, 'The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.' It will be so." (JD 7:15, Brigham Young, 4 July 1854)

I've done a lot of thinking the last few days as we have been debating some political topics. I believe the United States is here because God had a hand in inspiring our forefathers to create it. They rebelled from tyrants and were able to create a land of liberty. It's a place where people could be free to speak and worship how they wished, without fear of kings or tyrants.

I know things will get a lot worse before it gets better. But I KNOW that in the end, LIBERTY will prevail. The people will be heard. Yes, the nation will hang upon a thread, but it will be saved by the PEOPLE. You may not think the same about Brigham Young as I, but even if you write him off as a "wacky Mormon", he was a wise man -- I believe inspired by God.

I believe John Moses Browning was a man inspired by God. He created tools that would help us to defeat tyrants and those that would take away freedom.

I believe, more than anything, in free agency. We are all free agents -- EVERYONE in the world. And everyone has the right to make choices to do whatever they like. Many in the world are supressed by tyrants, but at this point, we are the most free society in the world. If it comes time that we are no longer free, and the Constitution is comprimised, "hanging by a thread", I know we will step up and fight tyranny, by whatever means necessary, with words or with arms.

In the end, we will be free.

Apparently the war on drugs is not working in Utah.

Where have you've been??? :confused:

The Constitution was torn up in 2001.
 

Todd33

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Quoting Joseph Smith is like quoting David Koresh. They were bothcon-men and pedophiles.

If by "inspired by God" you mean crazy folk who hear voices and kill people, then I might agree.
 

randalee

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Quoting Joseph Smith is like quoting David Koresh. They were bothcon-men and pedophiles.

If by "inspired by God" you mean crazy folk who hear voices and kill people, then I might agree.

Wow, tough crowd.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: randalee
I've done a lot of thinking the last few days as we have been debating some political topics. I believe the United States is here because God had a hand in inspiring our forefathers to create it. They rebelled from tyrants and were able to create a land of liberty. It's a place where people could be free to speak and worship how they wished, without fear of kings or tyrants.

You scare me. Too bad a lot of our founding fathers were Diest.

Seriously. Nevermind many of the major Founding Fathers were Deists...meaning they don't believe any God would have any influence on the world.

Go read Ben Franklin's Autobiography. He says he's a thorough Deist.

Almost all were religious, yes. But not what fundamentalists are rewriting them to be.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: randalee
I've done a lot of thinking the last few days as we have been debating some political topics. I believe the United States is here because God had a hand in inspiring our forefathers to create it. They rebelled from tyrants and were able to create a land of liberty. It's a place where people could be free to speak and worship how they wished, without fear of kings or tyrants.

You scare me. Too bad a lot of our founding fathers were Diest.

Seriously. Nevermind many of the major Founding Fathers were Deists...meaning they don't believe any God would have any influence on the world.

Go read Ben Franklin's Autobiography. He says he's a thorough Deist.

Almost all were religious, yes. But not what fundamentalists are rewriting them to be.

Or you can read the Jefferson Bible and check out what is missing from there.
 

randalee

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Just because a man didn't believe God had a hand in it, does it mean God REALLY DIDN'T have a hand in it?

The purpose of the US and for America is so that the true church of Jesus Christ could be restored.
 

Legend

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Originally posted by: randalee
Just because a man didn't believe God had a hand in it, does it mean God REALLY DIDN'T have a hand in it?

The purpose of the US and for America is so that the true church of Jesus Christ could be restored.

It's *possible*, but where's the proof? If you make statements like this, you have the burden of proof.

Based on History, the purpose of the US as it's own entity was the desire for self government. The desire for representation, and freedom.
 

Legend

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And the Constitution is under attack as the seperation of church and state blends together.

Our way of government is also under attack by socialists that are pushing for expensive and inefficient healthcare/welfare/social security as the concept freedom and the attached idea of personal responsibility are being destroyed. Our government has been corrupted by war mongers that like to twist intelligence like a PR campaign to incite public approval of a war that shouldn't have happened.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: randalee
Just because a man didn't believe God had a hand in it, does it mean God REALLY DIDN'T have a hand in it?

The purpose of the US and for America is so that the true church of Jesus Christ could be restored.

He's regurgitating Mormon doctrine, he's brainwashed. I think it's funny, welcome to P&N, stay awile!
 

piasabird

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The difference is Joseph Smith performed real miracles.

He healed people that were on their deathbed in Nauvoo that should have died.
 

randalee

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Originally posted by: zendari
Gun control really is getting that bad in some places. See San Francisco.


Do you think that is going to last any longer than gay marriage did?
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: piasabird
The difference is Joseph Smith performed real miracles.

He healed people that were on their deathbed in Nauvoo that should have died.

Uh huh. I guess you were there? Did he also dig up plates and read them with seer stones after talking to an angel? Do you beleive every fantasy story you hear without proof? Did you know Frodo destroyed the ring to help save you and the world?

I'd suggest you get one of your Mormon friends to go here http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html and win the $1,000,000 and donate it to LDS.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: randalee
Just because a man didn't believe God had a hand in it, does it mean God REALLY DIDN'T have a hand in it?

The purpose of the US and for America is so that the true church of Jesus Christ could be restored.

Deists believe in a god but just not one the meddles in our affairs. And if you really believe that is what the purpose of the US is, well that's just sad. But what makes it even worse is you probably go door to door annoying people with your opinion. God knows it took a lot of work to get the 'sisters' from the LDS to stop comming to my house.
 

randalee

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We can't fully explain to you why we believe and know these things. You'll just make a mockery, and it isn't worth spending the time casting pearls before swine.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: randalee
Just because a man didn't believe God had a hand in it, does it mean God REALLY DIDN'T have a hand in it?

The purpose of the US and for America is so that the true church of Jesus Christ could be restored.

Its really great that you believe that.
 

Steeplerot

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That is becasue you came in here making a mockery of what the constitution is about with all your baseless god talk, if your looking to recruit, please, stick to pounding on peoples doors who are asleep.
 

azazyel

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Originally posted by: randalee
We can't fully explain to you why we believe and know these things. You'll just make a mockery, and it isn't worth spending the time casting pearls before swine.

ahh, how quaint you actually quoted the New Testament instead of something from your Newer Testament (Matthew 7:6).

But since we have established that you are now talking about your religious views instead of anything relating to P&N you might want to take this back to OT.
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: randalee
We can't fully explain to you why we believe and know these things. You'll just make a mockery, and it isn't worth spending the time casting pearls before swine.

Please tell Leslie that God made her the way he wanted and not to use evil science to circumvent his will. ;)

And yes you can't explain anything you believe, that's the point of religion, to get people to blindly follow and do things they wouldn't normally do.
 

randalee

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Todd, you're so smart. How did you know the name of my sister? You must have clicked the link to my family website in my profile! You are scaring me. lol
 

Todd33

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Originally posted by: randalee
Todd, you're so smart. How did you know the name of my sister? You must have clicked the link to my family website in my profile! You are scaring me. lol

LOL, it was just a joke. I'm all for that kind of stuff. Grats to your sis.
 

randalee

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Originally posted by: azazyel
ahh, how quaint you actually quoted the New Testament instead of something from your Newer Testament (Matthew 7:6).

Why, should I not quote from the New Testament? The Book of Mormon began in Jerusalem, 600 BC. Why do you call it a "newer" testament? Yes, it ran through 4-500AD as well, thus covering time span of Old and New Testament, and even later.

 

randalee

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We're getting off the topic here. This was really about the Constitution. Some stated they believe it is already torn to shreds -- I assume because of the Patriot Act. Other viewpoints? Do you think it will be completely gone? Will it be saved? Will the people rise up? Or not?