The consolidated New Hampshire primary results thread (let's try this again)

[fskimospy]

In addition, clearly controls the narrative wrt presidential impeachments. If the SML decides he's okay with the executive branch committing crimes, they're going to commit crimes.

The can certainly enable the president to commit crimes but they cannot stop him from committing crimes as no majority leader is wielding 67 votes.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It really makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah a billionaire who dumped a ton of money into giving Trump the senate and who jumped in the race as soon as a wealth tax started looking like a legit possibility trying to protect billions of his dollars is so outlandish because he says mean things about Trump in front of a camera.

 

[K1052]

Yeah a billionaire who dumped a ton of money into giving Trump the senate and who jumped in the race as soon as a wealth tax started looking like a legit possibility trying to protect billions of his dollars is so outlandish because he says mean things about Trump in front of a camera.

Lol. Nobody talked about wealth taxes until the end of last year? That's simply not accurate.

Bloomberg's entry followed the weakness Dem donors were feeling behind the scenes of the Biden campaign. A perception which appears to be pretty correct.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol. Nobody talked about wealth taxes until the end of last year? That's simply not accurate.

Bloomberg's entry followed the weakness Dem donors were feeling behind the scenes of the Biden campaign. A perception which appears to be pretty correct.

The thing that really makes no sense is why Bloomberg is spending all this time and money to compete in the Democratic primary and to attack Trump (his secret hoped for winner) just so he could run a spoiler candidacy later.

Like, why not...just run a spoiler candidacy and skip the rest?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The thing that really makes no sense is why Bloomberg is spending all this time and money to compete in the Democratic primary and to attack Trump (his secret hoped for winner) just so he could run a spoiler candidacy later.

Like, why not...just run a spoiler candidacy and skip the rest?

I only said Bloomberg would prefer Trump to Sanders/Warren.

 

[K1052]

The thing that really makes no sense is why Bloomberg is spending all this time and money to compete in the Democratic primary and to attack Trump (his secret hoped for winner) just so he could run a spoiler candidacy later.

Like, why not...just run a spoiler candidacy and skip the rest?

Some people around here need to switch to lower THC content weed. It's making them paranoid.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Some people around here need to switch to lower THC content weed. It's making them paranoid.

I don't see what's so outlandish about him raising his profile right now in an effort to protect his wealth. And I don't think he'd be burning as many bridges as you think running against Sanders as a third party spoiler since the DNC definitely does not want Sanders running.

 

[fskimospy]

I only said Bloomberg would prefer Trump to Sanders/Warren.

Right, so he could save his money until Sanders/Warren won or he could finance other candidates in the Democratic primary to beat them. That way if they win he hasn’t wasted hundreds of millions attacking the guy he wants to win. Instead, he’s spending almost no money trying to defeat them specifically (outside of trying to win himself) and has spent boatloads of cash attacking Trump.

From a ‘stop Sanders/Warren, else Trump’ perspective this strategy makes no sense.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If that’s the case why has Bloomberg spent hundreds of millions attacking Trump and basically nothing attacking Sanders? This makes no logical sense.

If your argument is that attacking Trump helps Bloomberg in the primaries, so does attacking Sanders.

I’m glad you brought this up. While I know very little about Bloomberg, I do have to say he is the only guy who appears to be running to win everyone else appears to be playing the game with the old 2016 rules.

Bloomberg’s campaign ad that I have seen end with a nice simple statement like “Mike will get it done”. I’ve yet to see anyone else advertise with simple messages. Admittedly Bloomberg is spending more than everyone else combined but I don’t care. Number one goal is to defeat the President.



Off topic above is one of my main complaints about democrat candidates, they excessively over complicate shit. Great example was Hillary’s campaign slogan.
Moving forward together with everyone (or something similarly long and complicated and boring). Very easy to understand make America great again, very easy to understand Mike will get it done.

 

[Indus]

Go watch the first 30 minutes of last week's debate. Amy Klobuchar nails it out of the ballpark. Young, energetic, and pragmatic enough to become the centrist candidate who can sink her teeth into Trump.

Centrist is BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNNGGGG as Trump would say.

We've tried Centrist in Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Mondale.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m glad you brought this up. While I know very little about Bloomberg, I do have to say he is the only guy who appears to be running to win everyone else appears to be playing the game with the old 2016 rules.

Bloomberg’s campaign ad that I have seen end with a nice simple statement like “Mike will get it done”. I’ve yet to see anyone else advertise with simple messages. Admittedly Bloomberg is spending more than everyone else combined but I don’t care. Number one goal is to defeat the President.

Off topic above is one of my main complaints about democrat candidates, they excessively over complicate shit. Great example was Hillary’s campaign slogan.
Moving forward together with everyone (or something similarly long and complicated and boring). Very easy to understand make America great again, very easy to understand Mike will get it done.

I very much agree that Bloomberg's advertising seems much better crafted and much more effective than most other political advertising I see. I think he gets the fundamental point that is Democrats want Trump defeated first, policy second. Maybe that's what you get when you have hundreds of millions to burn, haha. Bloomberg would not be even close to my first choice on policy, he's definitely too conservative for me. What he is though is an extremely effective manager and I'm not surprised it comes out in things like this.

 

[fskimospy]

Centrist is BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIINNNNGGGG as Trump would say.

We've tried Centrist in Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Mondale.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Seems like there are two problems here that present significant problems for your theory.

1) Mondale was not a centrist - his most significant primary opponent attacked him as being too liberal.
2) Bill Clinton ran as a centrist and won twice.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I very much agree that Bloomberg's advertising seems much better crafted and much more effective than most other political advertising I see. I think he gets the fundamental point that is Democrats want Trump defeated first, policy second. Maybe that's what you get when you have hundreds of millions to burn, haha. Bloomberg would not be even close to my first choice on policy, he's definitely too conservative for me. What he is though is an extremely effective manager and I'm not surprised it comes out in things like this.

Well said more or less what I am thinking. He’s not my ideal choice but my ideal choice either has close to zero chance of winning or a repeat of 2010 where you get a forward think democrat in and there is a Republican wave in Congress which basically shoots you in the dick.
I know little of Bloomberg’s policies but I do know he is running competent and arguably the most effective ads.
ASI said I don’t need everything on my wish list to be addressed, I don’t need to win every political cause. I do need to win the important stuff and I’m not against compromise or small progress.

 

[ultimatebob]

I very much agree that Bloomberg's advertising seems much better crafted and much more effective than most other political advertising I see. I think he gets the fundamental point that is Democrats want Trump defeated first, policy second. Maybe that's what you get when you have hundreds of millions to burn, haha. Bloomberg would not be even close to my first choice on policy, he's definitely too conservative for me. What he is though is an extremely effective manager and I'm not surprised it comes out in things like this.

His advertising doesn't seem to be all that well targeted to me. His ads in Connecticut seem to think that everyone here is pro gun control, and we're really not. People are Hartford or Bridgeport might be, but if he actually had staff working here he would know that there are a lot of red patches in this blue state who are getting pissed off at him right now.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

His advertising doesn't seem to be all that well targeted to me. His ads in Connecticut seem to think that everyone here is pro gun control, and we're really not. People are Hartford or Bridgeport might be, but if he actually had staff working here he would know that there are a lot of red patches in this blue state who are getting pissed off at him right now.

I get your point.
I was thinking and I’ll give you the same challenge.

I know the Presidents slogan is “keep America Great” and still MAGA. Nice simple message that everyone can understand (this doesn’t mean agree with)
I know without using google I have seen “Mike will get it done” again very simple to understand.
I can’t state any other campaigns slogan. Not one. I really like Warren but I have no idea what her campaign slogan is.

Do you know any campaign slogans without using google or any other search engine? Do it from memory.

 

[fskimospy]

His advertising doesn't seem to be all that well targeted to me. His ads in Connecticut seem to think that everyone here is pro gun control, and we're really not. People are Hartford or Bridgeport might be, but if he actually had staff working here he would know that there are a lot of red patches in this blue state who are getting pissed off at him right now.

From my understanding the Democratic presidential primary in Connecticut is closed to only Democratic Party members and Connecticut is a deep, deep blue state in the general election. Because of those two things I doubt he gives a fuck what those red patches think so there's no downside to pissing them off.

 

[fskimospy]

Well said more or less what I am thinking. He’s not my ideal choice but my ideal choice either has close to zero chance of winning or a repeat of 2010 where you get a forward think democrat in and there is a Republican wave in Congress which basically shoots you in the dick.
I know little of Bloomberg’s policies but I do know he is running competent and arguably the most effective ads.
ASI said I don’t need everything on my wish list to be addressed, I don’t need to win every political cause. I do need to win the important stuff and I’m not against compromise or small progress.

I think we should go into 2020 with the understanding that almost no matter what happens or who wins if it's a Democrat there will be a huge Republican wave in 2022. It won't even necessarily mean the Republicans get a commanding majority of the votes, it will be that Democrats are unlikely to sustain the 6-7 point wins they need just to break even.

 

[ch33zw1z]

His advertising doesn't seem to be all that well targeted to me. His ads in Connecticut seem to think that everyone here is pro gun control, and we're really not. People are Hartford or Bridgeport might be, but if he actually had staff working here he would know that there are a lot of red patches in this blue state who are getting pissed off at him right now.

I think Sandy Hook had a bigger impact than you realize.

 

[ultimatebob]

From my understanding the Democratic presidential primary in Connecticut is closed to only Democratic Party members and Connecticut is a deep, deep blue state in the general election. Because of those two things I doubt he gives a fuck what those red patches think so there's no downside to pissing them off.

Oh, it's a given that Connecticut will go blue in 2020, whoever the presidential candidate is. That said, there are a lot of wealthy people in Connecticut who do not agree with the mainstream politics of this state. If you make them angry enough, they WILL fund their opponents campaigns out of spite, and they have large pocketbooks.

 

[pmv]

Just how many contenders are there? It's like on of those TV shows where, in order to add some sense of drama and plot movement they kill off minor characters that you'd never noticed in the first place (e.g. all those Alexandria residents on The Walking Dead).

I'd heard of Andrew Yang, sure, had some sense of who he was and what his pet themes were, so fair enough on that one, but I had no idea there were guys called "Michael Bennet" and "Deval Patrick" among the candidates.

I'm suspicous they make these guys up just in order to announce they are dropping out. It's lazy writing. Give them some character-development before writing them out of the show!

 

[herm0016]

His advertising doesn't seem to be all that well targeted to me. His ads in Connecticut seem to think that everyone here is pro gun control, and we're really not. People are Hartford or Bridgeport might be, but if he actually had staff working here he would know that there are a lot of red patches in this blue state who are getting pissed off at him right now.

i get the same anti gun ads in Colorado. Blasting everyone with those is not going to help his case, esp. in the west.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

i get the same anti gun ads in Colorado. Blasting everyone with those is not going to help his case, esp. in the west.

Same ads in Texas.

 

[Bitek]

I'll take your word for it, I'll admit my knowledge of Bloomberg is pretty limited. I'm purely going on what I've seen since the start of the primaries.



This is my take as well.



I thought so myself, but others disagree. As I said above, I don't know too much about Bloomberg to insist one way or the other.

This is why I think it's important that Bloomberg joins the debate stage.

I know there are complaints about "buying his way on", but the fact is that his resources will make him a force regardless, and we all deserve to see him defending his record and explaining his plans in a live format rather than just from behind ads and spokespeople.

He won election three times in the our largest, most diverse, toughest, and notably liberal city in America and is generally regarded as successful, although not without controversy.

He ain't Bernie, but he ain't Ted Cruz either.
He's probably more liberal than some in the D party, such as Sens Munchkin, Doug Jones and maybe Casey.

We haven't seen too many specifics yet, but what's out there puts him near Boots, Klobo and Biden.

I do know he can absolutely pull in votes from the center right, middle and suburbs that will be needed to secure victory.

IMO, winning in 20 and getting Trump out is top priority. I'll be voting for the one most likely to do that. I am not sold on ANY of the top Ds being able to do that yet.

 

[UNCjigga]

Question: How fucking stupid does one have to be to get himself impeached over interfering in a 5th-place candidate’s campaign? Asking for a friend...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

This is why I think it's important that Bloomberg joins the debate stage.

I know there are complaints about "buying his way on", but the fact is that his resources will make him a force regardless, and we all deserve to see him defending his record and explaining his plans in a live format rather than just from behind ads and spokespeople.

He won election three times in the our largest, most diverse, toughest, and notably liberal city in America and is generally regarded as successful, although not without controversy.

He ain't Bernie, but he ain't Ted Cruz either.
He's probably more liberal than some in the D party, such as Sens Munchkin, Doug Jones and maybe Casey.

We haven't seen too many specifics yet, but what's out there puts him near Boots, Klobo and Biden.

I do know he can absolutely pull in votes from the center right, middle and suburbs that will be needed to secure victory.

IMO, winning in 20 and getting Trump out is top priority. I'll be voting for the one most likely to do that. I am not sold on ANY of the top Ds being able to do that yet.

Trying to pull the center right failed miserably in 2016, Republicans went back home despite having the most disgusting and corrupt piece of shit ever running under their party's name. And they still full-throatedly support him.

There is no swing voter in 2020. This isn't 1965 when everyone got their news from Walter Cronkite, this is 2020 where you either get your news from the right wing echo chamber or you are utterly horrified by it. But our base is bigger than their's is, and if we can nominate someone who excites our base we turn out to vote and we win. If we nominate someone bland and run on Trump being a crook instead of ideas to move the nation forward it very well could again turn off enough voters again because 'bothsides.' Focusing only on Trump puts the Democrats back in the same danger zone they were in for the 2016 election.