WOW I am just surprised with the ignorance here on this site!!! REALWORLD benchmarks like what opening a webpage or clicking on the start menu. You guys wouldnt know a REAL benchmark program is it smacked you in the face!!!!
I think the point was that synthetic benchmarks don't tell you much about how the cpu is likely to perform....(it gives a rough indication, but i really cant say i calculate PI that often, nor do i have a quick run of the old 3dmark for a bit of fun). No doubt breaking the 15 second mark is impressive, and implies that conroe will be awesome, but superPI is more for bragging rights.
If you want some realworld benchmarks, perhaps a few games at low res (i understand they dont have much to compare with), or something along the lines of 3D Studio Max, or some encoding (i mean non-synthetic tests), maybe even some file compressing/decompressing tests..... Hell, if you want more, check out tom's hardware's cpu charts, some of the benchmarks they use there.
If you want some realworld benchmarks, perhaps a few games at low res (i understand they dont have much to compare with), or something along the lines of 3D Studio Max, or some encoding (i mean non-synthetic tests), maybe even some file compressing/decompressing tests..... Hell, if you want more, check out tom's hardware's cpu charts, some of the benchmarks they use there.
I second this comment.
I think its clear that idiots like Duvie know nothing about testing the performance of a cpu other than opening "Free Cell" in windows.
All this talk about Pi and 3dmark not counting as actual tests is bs. Please show me some real world tests. Show me a video of someone holding a stop watch while booting windows. Or whatever crap you've thought up to be "real world testing".
Zap
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Let all the early adoptors pay extra and do all the work in figuring out the glitches and overclocks. Then, 1/2-1 year later, after a few price drops and better availability...
... as in "OMG look MS Office opened 0.05 seconds faster!!1!" Well, I suppose the usual encoding/compressing would have to do.
I always look forward to new stuff - they're what dreams are made of, and they push down prices of "slower" stuff. That's what I'm talking about! Too bad it seems as if Celerons will stay on Netburst for a while longer - I'd love to see a desktop Core processor labeled as a Celeron and sold for $50 along with decent and overclockable motherboards for under $100.
(windows,firefox,IE,ACDsee) loading times, windows media encoder, divx encoder,compressing with winzip or winrar,running two programs or more at the same time,running games,3D progs....isnt that enough? thats wut i say REAL benches not some stupid numbers that has no meaning for anyone!
Wow, Conroe in being "sometimes much faster, sometimes slower" shocker!!!?? 
I can't really say it makes any difference to most previous architecture direct comparisons.
I can't really say it makes any difference to most previous architecture direct comparisons.Some of those ARE real-world tests...
While it's true that Super-Pi is fairly useless unless you're planning on running a lot of pure calculation software, Cinebench and TMPG are definately real-world.
Of course there is always the problem of understanding exactly how and for what these programs are optimised, but those 2 at least are fairly good benchmarks.
Actually, no, you do not understand what the point of synthetic benchmarks are. For businesses, they are for people who run customized, specific applications who need several gauges at what a system can do. If you're running In-House software, like a lot of businesses, synthetic benchmarks and technical datasheets are the only thing you have, besides actually testing the hardware itself.
The Anandtech definition of "Real World" applications usually involves running gaming benchmarks - HL2, BF2, etc. Which is ironic because the majority of computers bought are not used for gaming.
Problem is most synthetic benches are not good comparisons when crossing platforms...some have biases towards one particular cpu yet do not translate into real world performance in real world benches...
IE PCmark!!! and a few business benches if I remember correctly....
you know i like conroe. infact i love conroe cuz due to it amd will move of their asses and bring us someting new.
i'd say a very nice real world (i have not seen the xs thread so please dont kill me would be if they all downloaded a nice anime ep and encoded it using virtual dub or avisynth (easier to maintain same options).
i say anime cuz there free and less likely to get you sued in the US. might i suggest a episode of FATE stay night (fansub)
i'd say a very nice real world (i have not seen the xs thread so please dont kill me would be if they all downloaded a nice anime ep and encoded it using virtual dub or avisynth (easier to maintain same options).
i say anime cuz there free and less likely to get you sued in the US. might i suggest a episode of FATE stay night (fansub)
Avalon
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Out of those 22 tests, only 2 of them are real-world, being Cinebench and TMPGenc. Further audio/video encoding, actual games, 3dsmax render times, etc. are good additions to that mix that would make it more real world. Not to knock SuperPi...I run it too, because like you mentioned, it takes a single click to get it running and it does its thing pretty quickly...but the multitude of 3dmark tests for a CPU I don't care for, even if they have a CPU portion for them.
Guys guys guys.... Maybe you guys are not understanding why the sythetic benches are being done.
In order to do any real world tests, It's like doing a scientific project. You must know all your variables and have a Control. So how does that apply here.
First of all, they'll need about 4-5 Intel platfroms, 4-5 AMD platforms. ALL with AS IDENTICAL PARTS as possible to control the viriables and then use the same software applications.
If I render one image, i must rended that image on ALL PLATFORMS. If I encode a footage, i must encode the same footage of all machines and then I can make my final analysis and come to a conclusion.
Let's say Coolaler goes out and renders a random image and gives you a time... WHAT GOOD IS THAT???? NADA...ZIPPPO...it tells me NOTHING unless i have that very same image rendered on other machines and same for video.....
Do you understand what I'm saying..... Most of these variables are eliminated with synthetic marks because the benchmark software is the same... So unless you got 10 computers to donate... accept the freaking synthetic benchmarks and Conroe has conquered nearly all of them.
In order to do any real world tests, It's like doing a scientific project. You must know all your variables and have a Control. So how does that apply here.
First of all, they'll need about 4-5 Intel platfroms, 4-5 AMD platforms. ALL with AS IDENTICAL PARTS as possible to control the viriables and then use the same software applications.
If I render one image, i must rended that image on ALL PLATFORMS. If I encode a footage, i must encode the same footage of all machines and then I can make my final analysis and come to a conclusion.
Let's say Coolaler goes out and renders a random image and gives you a time... WHAT GOOD IS THAT???? NADA...ZIPPPO...it tells me NOTHING unless i have that very same image rendered on other machines and same for video.....
Do you understand what I'm saying..... Most of these variables are eliminated with synthetic marks because the benchmark software is the same... So unless you got 10 computers to donate... accept the freaking synthetic benchmarks and Conroe has conquered nearly all of them.
What do you wanna know? How long it takes to load photoshop? How long it takes for start menu to pop up? how long it takes for a DVD to play? how long it takes for firefox to load? how long it takes for Microsoft outlook to open? how long it takes the calculator to add 2+2? How long it takes to encode a video for which the time has no meaning as it cannot be compared to anything esle? how long it takes to render an image in 3dmax for which again the time has no meaning as it has nothing to be compared with?
These are All real world applications. Yet of no relevance....
Name some ACTUAL APPS that you would like tested and how you would like them tested. We will be Glad to put it forward to the Conroe owners.
ENOUGH of this real world stuff, I want the names, and i want the process of testing it... nothing else.
i totally agree with n1ghtmare 100%, those "real world" tests won't do you any good unless you can compare them to something else :S
If he takes some random image in photoshop and starts applying filters, i don't think many people are going to care.
I think we can all just rest assured that Conroe will do well in "real world" as well as in Synthetic. Why not? I mean you guys are at AT, you should have read the article explaining the Conroe architecture and the superior instruction processing.
If he takes some random image in photoshop and starts applying filters, i don't think many people are going to care.
I think we can all just rest assured that Conroe will do well in "real world" as well as in Synthetic. Why not? I mean you guys are at AT, you should have read the article explaining the Conroe architecture and the superior instruction processing.
Now would you please tell me what help that would offer? So he renders imamoron.max 640x480 in 34seconds... Please explain how this just helped you...?
He applies a Blur filter to myhouse.jpg 1600x1200 in 5 seconds.. please explain how this just helped you?
He encodes a video of his dog playing in the grass mydog.avi in 42 seconds... please expleain how this just helped you..
Should I keep going? or do you get my grip here.... THERES NOTHING TO COMPARE THE TESTS TO!..... he doesnt have identical systems lined up to do so....
benchmarks are benchmarks... take them as benchmarks.
sandorski
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You do compare them to something else, a similarily configured PC with either a comparable AMD processor or previous comparable Intel processor or preferably both. "A point of reference" for the sake of a point of reference means nothing. The only "point of reference" with any meaning is the experience of the end User.
EXACTLY my point. That would require multiple systems on both platforms. What do you do when you dont have multiple systems that are comparable.... YOU RELY ON SYNTHTIC MARKS to reflect real world performace. And to say that they dont reflect real worl performance is ridiculous.
You think a 15sec Sp1m computer will render an imager slower than a 30sec sp1m computer...
or a computer that scored 21000 in 3dm01 will do better in 3d than a computer that scored 59000
ComeOn people...its a good indication on how the systems will perform in real world.
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