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The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

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SlowSpyder said:
My issue is that these laws and regulations over reach and stop law abiding citizens.
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Up until the planning and execution of the Vegas shooting, the shooter was perfectly law abiding, as was the Texas church shooter, the shooter at Sandy Hook, Dylann Roof, the Columbine shooters, the Pulse nightclub.........

Human unpredictability and volatility is the problem. Would you give a loaded gun to a monkey? We're not different enough yet from our capricious ancestors.

It's easy to call them out as godless and crazy. Who's not at least a little crazy?
 
SlowSpyder said:
You think schools being gun free stops a mass murderer from bringing a gun to school?
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It might, in conjunction with other measures like metal detectors and policing, especially with modern technology where AI can be trained to recognize concealed weapons from surveillance cameras and alert police. But if you make bringing a concealed gun to a school gun free zone legal, then if even if someone spots someone carrying a gun there, there is nothing they can do until kids start getting shot. Again, if your state disagrees, you can try letting people carry guns to school zones. But we don't want that crap in California.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Hey I can get a permit from another state and Cuomo can't take that away!
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Yeah, about a million New Yorkers are going to go in together on a one bedroom studio apartment in Muleshoe Texas, establish dual residency there to get a permit and take it back to New York. Another million from Chicago, a few million more from California and poof, one big giant nation even more armed and dangerous than it already is. Anyone that wants a carry permit can find a shall-issue state to give them one.
 
Paladin3 said:
I refuse to believe folks "change their stripes in the blink of an eye." The fraction of a percent of humans evil enough to shoot up a school don't become that way in an instant. And guns are NOT the cause if that kind of evil does exist in a person's heart.

I believe in myself and my own moral compass enough to know that owning a gun isn't going to turn me into a killer. I hope you believe in yourself enough to say the same regardless of position on gun control.
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See this post below. Owning a gun obviously doesn't "turn people into killers," and I'm amazed that you think that I inferred that. Only people can turn people into killers.
 
Paladin3 said:
This will blow some minds: In my state of Idaho you don't need any kind of permit or CCW license to carry a concealed firearm. That's not open carry, which is also legal, but concealed carry everywhere except gun free zones. You can get an Idaho CCW license which has a few extra benefits but you don't need it to carry.
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Wohoo!

So, if this law passes, does that mean anyone from Idaho who legally owns a gun can carry it concealed anywhere in the entire country?
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The text of the act (in the OP) says specifically that it is not.

I don't think it does, and believe this law would only apply to our CCW license holders, but it's an interesting question.
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Paratus said:
Here’s an interesting study. After Sandyhook killed 20 kids and 6 teachers guns sales surged by 3 million over the next 5 months.
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Fear is unstoppable, and quite profitable. (there's a poem in there somewhere)
 
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bradly1101 said:
Up until the planning and execution of the Vegas shooting, the shooter was perfectly law abiding, as was the Texas church shooter, the shooter at Sandy Hook, Dylann Roof, the Columbine shooters, the Pulse nightclub.........

Human unpredictability and volatility is the problem. Would you give a loaded gun to a monkey? We're not different enough yet from our capricious ancestors.

It's easy to call them out as godless and crazy. Who's not at least a little crazy?
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The Texas shooter was a criminal, a wife and child beater and only a major screw up by the Air Force allowed him to get a weapon. Dylan Roof was arrested and convicted for drugs and should have been banned from owing firearms. The Pulse Nightclub shooting was an Islamic terrorist shooting by a licensed security guard and ISIS member. The Sandy Hook shooter was mentally handicapped with Asperger's syndrome and barred from owning weapons who killed his mother to get the guns.

So no, they weren't "perfectly law abiding" as you claim.
 
I personally don't care that much about this law as a guy who can't be away from his gun even for a little while due to crossing a state border is already probably hopeless.

I just question why they are working on this as opposed to real problems? It's like your doctor ignoring the gaping bleeding massive hole in your stomach to talk about how you're hypocritical for flossing but not using mouthwash. Maybe there is a valid point to what he is saying but certainly there are much more important fish to fry at that very moment.
 
Paladin3 said:
I refuse to believe folks "change their stripes in the blink of an eye." The fraction of a percent of humans evil enough to shoot up a school don't become that way in an instant. And guns are NOT the cause if that kind of evil does exist in a person's heart.

I believe in myself and my own moral compass enough to know that owning a gun isn't going to turn me into a killer. I hope you believe in yourself enough to say the same regardless of position on gun control.
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What about the Vegas shooter, no prior problems?
 
imported_tajmahal said:
The Texas shooter was a criminal, a wife and child beater and only a major screw up by the Air Force allowed him to get a weapon. Dylan Roof was arrested and convicted for drugs and should have been banned from owing firearms. The Pulse Nightclub shooting was an Islamic terrorist shooting by a licensed security guard and ISIS member. The Sandy Hook shooter was mentally handicapped with Asperger's syndrome and barred from owning weapons who killed his mother to get the guns.

So no, they weren't "perfectly law abiding" as you claim.
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You conveniently left out the Vegas shooter.
 
Pantoot said:
Nope, but it might keep the attendance administrator from accidentally shooting my kid while she is showing the vice principal her cool new firearm.
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You might not know this, but here are already nine states that allow teachers to conceal carry in k-12 schools. I'm unaware of your particular example ever happening.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
The Texas shooter was a criminal, a wife and child beater and only a major screw up by the Air Force allowed him to get a weapon. Dylan Roof was arrested and convicted for drugs and should have been banned from owing firearms. The Pulse Nightclub shooting was an Islamic terrorist shooting by a licensed security guard and ISIS member. The Sandy Hook shooter was mentally handicapped with Asperger's syndrome and barred from owning weapons who killed his mother to get the guns.

So no, they weren't "perfectly law abiding" as you claim.
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You're right. I should have said law abiding enough to get a gun, which of course isn't necessary in our gun-saturated society. Edit: But I always seem to hear, "He bought his gun(s) legally..." It's always a he, like the vast majority of sexually bad behavior.
 
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bradly1101 said:

Thank God I can take my gun into a school zone that would otherwise hinder my rights to conceal and carry a killing machine around kids, or in our National Parks and BLM lands where people seek peace and quiet and commune with nature amid spectacular vistas. Woohoo! 😱 When we're so low that all we can see is the sky above, we turn, face the dirt, and start digging. More money to be made by the purveyors of death and the only apparent protection from it. Thoughts and prayers for America's lofty intentions.
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Here in NC they made it legal for me to:

1. Pick up my child from school while having a firearm on my person or in my vehicle.
2. Have a firearm on school property as long as it is locked in a container/vault inside my locked and parked vehicle.

Prior to that, as a licensed CCW holder in NC I would have been breaking the law to do something as simple as picking my kid up at school. As a CCW permit holder I'm the least likely to commit a crime with a firearm.
 
Paladin3 said:
This will blow some minds: In my state of Idaho you don't need any kind of permit or CCW license to carry a concealed firearm. That's not open carry, which is also legal, but concealed carry everywhere except gun free zones. You can get an Idaho CCW license which has a few extra benefits but you don't need it to carry. So, if this law passes, does that mean anyone from Idaho who legally owns a gun can carry it concealed anywhere in the entire country?

I don't think it does, and believe this law would only apply to our CCW license holders, but it's an interesting question.
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I don't believe that would allow any Idahoan to carry in all states. I believe the draft of the bill still requires you to follow the laws of whatever state you are in. If that state requires you to have a ccw or cpl then you would still need that from your state to be legal. Conceal carry is legal in all states. The trick is the standard for issue in each state. Most states now are shall issue states which means you can't be required to demonstrate a need to be issued a license. California however and a handful of other states are still May Issue and under their laws require their residents to demonstrate a need before they will issue the license. Under reciprocity out of staters in California and other may issue states who have state issued CPL or CCW permits are not subject to that standard. They would be able to conceal carry but would still be subject to all the same rules those states impose on their CPL or CCW holders.
 
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