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The "combat" LEM..

BUTCH1

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Developing the LM was not easy and took longer than planned but in the end Grumman’s engineering team succeeded brilliantly. Hoping to capitalize on the development effort, Grumman offered variants of the craft including the "Covert Space Denial" model. A modified lunar module could make large orbital maneuvers, rendezvousing with enemy satellites by surprise and in total radio silence. For inspection and destruction of the satellite the LM was to be equipped with a single remote controlled arm.

In the early 1960's the USAF was studying various types of manned spacecraft for inspection and destruction of enemy satellites (such as SAINT II, X-20B Dynasoar, Blue Gemini). The Grumman Space Development Team studied use of the Apollo Lunar Module in a role of 'Covert Space Denial' (CSD). A 1964 report 'Military Utilization of LEM in Earth Orbit' set forth the reasons the LM was suited to this role. Its tandem descent and ascent engines gave it a huge maneuver capability, greater than that of any other manned spacecraft. This could be augmented further by simply stretching the tanks, a capability designed into the LM from the beginning. The lunar role had also fitted it with a complete autonomous guidance system.

By the time of the report Dynasoar had been cancelled and USAF interest in the topic was waning. Not only that, but the NASA Lunar Module suffered from terminal NIH (Not Invented Here) which made it unsuitable for USAF space activities. Then in May 1965 the Department of State's U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency issued a requirement for an Arms Control Inspection System. At their behest the US Navy contracted Grumman to elaborate their earlier military Lunar Module design. Grumman studied various means of engaging enemy targets. The arm could be used to put the satellite into an unrecoverable spin or capture the target for study (followed by release into its usual orbit or deorbit). A recoilless weapon could shotgun the satellite with high-velocity pellets. The recommended option, as was the case of the SAINT years earlier, was to spray paint the target black. This would have ruined optics, disabled solar cells, and caused the target spacecraft to overheat and fail.

Enemy manned spacecraft could be harassed in psychological operations, or their communications could be disabled using the arm to apply radio-opaque nets.

If there was ever any real intent to implement the scheme, the 1967 United Nations Treaty on the Peaceful Uses Of Space marked the end of State Department interest. All such interceptor spacecraft were abandoned a few years later by secret agreement when the SALT 1 treat was signed, which prohibited interference with 'national means of verification'.linkLOL, "spray-painting the solar panels black" or "shooting pellets" at it, damm that would have been cool!.
 
Air force X-37C is currently lurking in orbit since 2015... It would be a good bet some "combat" goodies are riding onboard.
 
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Shooting pellets at it would have sucked royally and I'm really glad we didn't do it. We have enough friggen space junk orbiting the planet at absurd velocities as it is. You would be very surprised the damage a single #00 shotgun pellet can do in orbit to stuff we like, depend on or have people living in when it's traveling 5 miles per second. Kinda hard to track and avoid too.

Now spray painting them (I'm curious how that would work in space, anyone???) sounds pretty nifty but I bet there's bad shit that I haven't thought of there too.
 
Shooting pellets at it would have sucked royally and I'm really glad we didn't do it. We have enough friggen space junk orbiting the planet at absurd velocities as it is. You would be very surprised the damage a single #00 shotgun pellet can do in orbit to stuff we like, depend on or have people living in when it's traveling 5 miles per second. Kinda hard to track and avoid too.

Now spray painting them (I'm curious how that would work in space, anyone???) sounds pretty nifty but I bet there's bad shit that I haven't thought of there too.

Not really, all spray paint does is evaporate the VOC's and then the paint is dry. In space this would happen in seconds!, the last image it would ever send back is a blurry arm holding a paint-can!. I'd attach a small solid rocket to it and send it into the atmosphere!.
 
Air force X-37C is currently lurking in orbit since 2105... It would be a good bet some "combat" goodies are riding onboard.

I remember the first launch and landing and then again when it popped back into the news in 14/15 but just searched for anything new and it seems like everyone has just plain forgotten that thing is still flying around up there.
 
Not really, all spray paint does is evaporate the VOC's and then the paint is dry. In space this would happen in seconds!, the last image it would ever send back is a blurry arm holding a paint-can!. I'd attach a small solid rocket to it and send it into the atmosphere!.

Sweet! I'd imagine it wouldn't even need to get in the cameras range of view. Simply painting the solar panels would accomplish the goal and I remember watching a documentary (maybe even about the X-37B) that said they could paint the body of the satellite black which absorbs heat and the satellite would catch a major sunburn and die a flaming death.

Quarter billion dollar death by spray paint has got to be the most cost effective .mil weapon ever, if you exclude the launch of course. Then again it's the .mil so the spray paint will probably cost the equivalent of $5M a can.
 
Sweet! I'd imagine it wouldn't even need to get in the cameras range of view. Simply painting the solar panels would accomplish the goal and I remember watching a documentary (maybe even about the X-37B) that said they could paint the body of the satellite black which absorbs heat and the satellite would catch a major sunburn and die a flaming death.

Quarter billion dollar death by spray paint has got to be the most cost effective .mil weapon ever, if you exclude the launch of course. Then again it's the .mil so the spray paint will probably cost the equivalent of $5M a can.

LOL, "Mil-spec" black spray paint, $100,000/can. In order for this to work you would still need a rocket that can launch the CSM+LEM into a decent orbit. With the amount of fuel the CSM carried they could have done several satellites in one mission. Just use the ample thrust of the CSM to get the LEM relatively close then undock and head over to do the dirty work. Satellites are also vulnerable to missiles so that's probably why everyone agreed to sign the papers or else we would all be having to replace satellites on a regular basis due to vandalism.
 
LOL, "Mil-spec" black spray paint, $100,000/can. In order for this to work you would still need a rocket that can launch the CSM+LEM into a decent orbit. With the amount of fuel the CSM carried they could have done several satellites in one mission. Just use the ample thrust of the CSM to get the LEM relatively close then undock and head over to do the dirty work. Satellites are also vulnerable to missiles so that's probably why everyone agreed to sign the papers or else we would all be having to replace satellites on a regular basis due to vandalism.

China just shot down one of their own satellites with a missile rather recently. Pissed a lot of people off because they created a ton of new space junk just to test their missile system. Guess they didn't sign the papers?
 
China just shot down one of their own satellites with a missile rather recently. Pissed a lot of people off because they created a ton of new space junk just to test their missile system. Guess they didn't sign the papers?

IIRC it was against shooting at an opponents satellites and back in '67 China had no space anything so they might not have been part of the agreement. Kinda dumb thing do do since the space-junk problem was already a bad one.
 
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