The Coffee Party

Mr. Lennon

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2004
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"MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them."

http://coffeepartyusa.com/



Great idea, but I have a feeling they will have a hard time gaining news coverage unless they do something radical. A good start would be to crash each and every one of the Tea Bagging parties.

The Tea Baggers only gain coverage because of their racism, lack of education, and overall ridiculousness. Sadly those traits lead to good "entertainment" in the eyes of the news conglomerates.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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As a member or supporter of the Coffee Party, I pledge to conduct myself in a way that is civil, honest, and respectful toward people with whom I disagree. I value people from different cultures, I value people with different ideas, and I value and cherish the democratic process.

Sounds nice, but with that attitude, they are not going anywhere.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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Being for civil discussion and partcipation isn't a party. A party is about issues.
 

Lemon law

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Nov 6, 2005
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What what, a voice of common sense in American politics, its clear no one will listen to such a common sense message. Surely not, be it resolved, lets resume partisan gridlock

Divided we fall, resume falling. That way, we can insure America keeps failing, and government can't do a damn thing to address our problems. After all, government only screws everything up and Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff will lead us into a glorious future.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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"MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them."

http://coffeepartyusa.com/



Great idea, but I have a feeling they will have a hard time gaining news coverage unless they do something radical. A good start would be to crash each and every one of the Tea Bagging parties.

The Tea Baggers only gain coverage because of their racism, lack of education, and overall ridiculousness. Sadly those traits lead to good "entertainment" in the eyes of the news conglomerates.

How have the Tea Parties been racist?
 

Atreus21

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Aug 21, 2007
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Well, I don't entirely disagree with that statement.

We enable the government. They are one facet of the social contract. They're not our enemy. They are (supposed to be) us. They serve at our pleasure.

Even if it seems otherwise.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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Yes, we must stand behind our politicians and bureaucracies when they act in our best interests and deny hundreds of thousands of people their medication if they lose their medicaid cards.

True patriots do not question.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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"MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them."

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What utter fail. We are not a democracy. But by all means place ones faith in gubment. Let me know if these black baggers have a rally in my town, I'll be there to meet them with the iron fist of liberty.

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Before the racist flag is thrown, coffee is black and is transported in bags.

Signed - a proud white American.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
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Bi partisan is BS are Republicans bipartisan? No, ever since I can remember it's solid vote on their stuff, both in power and out of power, it's like 51-0, 49-0 or whatever their numbers say. It's Dems that come over often like 12-36 and whatnot. Dems are their worst enemy and need to unite.

Couple Bipartisan gems
Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq:
GOP - 48-1
Dems - 29-22

The Protect America Act:
GOP - 44-0
Dems - 20-28

To support the new Bush-supported FISA law:
GOP - 48-0
Dems - 12-36
 
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Throckmorton

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Aug 23, 2007
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What utter fail. We are not a democracy. But by all means place ones faith in gubment. Let me know if these black baggers have a rally in my town, I'll be there to meet them with the iron fist of liberty.

-edit-
Before the racist flag is thrown, coffee is black and is transported in bags.

Signed - a proud white American.

/facepalm
 

MotF Bane

No Lifer
Dec 22, 2006
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What utter fail. We are not a democracy. But by all means place ones faith in gubment. Let me know if these black baggers have a rally in my town, I'll be there to meet them with the iron fist of liberty.

-edit-
Before the racist flag is thrown, coffee is black and is transported in bags.

Signed - a proud white American.

:rolleyes:
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
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What utter fail. We are not a democracy. But by all means place ones faith in gubment. Let me know if these black baggers have a rally in my town, I'll be there to meet them with the iron fist of liberty.

-edit-
Before the racist flag is thrown, coffee is black and is transported in bags.

Signed - a proud white American.

You been drinking?

1. The U.S. is a democracy, just not a direct one, as if one exists. Every branch of our government ultimately derives its power from majority rule.
2. I'm sure you like the gubments Peacemakers
3. Coffee is brown. Do all beans look alike to you too?:)
4. Iron fist & Liberty don't belong in same sentence.
5. I'm whiter than you. Think Brock Lesnar without penis tattoo.
 
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wiretap

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The US is a Constitutional representative republic. It isn't simply majority rule. In order to change anything Constitution-wise, you have to have a 2/3 vote in both the house and senate, and a >2/3 vote by the states. If we had democracy and majority rule, 50.x&#37; of the people could vote away the remaining 49.x% of the people's rights. That isn't how our society works.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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The US is a Constitutional representative republic. It isn't simply majority rule. In order to change anything Constitution-wise, you have to have a 2/3 vote in both the house and senate, and a >2/3 vote by the states. If we had democracy and majority rule, 50.x% of the people could vote away the remaining 49.x% of the people's rights. That isn't how our society works.

This goes in the Politics FAQ. The word democracy encompasses republics. When Woodrow Wilson said he wants to make the world safe for Democracy, he didn't mean to overthrow the US Republic.
 

wiretap

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I don't care who calls it what.. the US uses some democratic processes, but it is not a democracy. The founding fathers made that very clear and argued/wrote about it extensively.
 

Zebo

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The US is a Constitutional representative republic. It isn't simply majority rule. In order to change anything Constitution-wise, you have to have a 2/3 vote in both the house and senate, and a >2/3 vote by the states. If we had democracy and majority rule, 50.x% of the people could vote away the remaining 49.x% of the people's rights. That isn't how our society works.

Most every nation has a constitution so that's redundant. Representative by definition is Republic, again redundant. Democracy comes in two forms Republican and Direct. The founders made our democracy republican rather than direct which does not stop majority rule, it merely slows it down. So yeah you want to change Constitution you need super majority of ELECTED state legislatures.
 

Craig234

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I don't care who calls it what.. the US uses some democratic processes, but it is not a democracy. The founding fathers made that very clear and argued/wrote about it extensively.

The founding fathers were concerned about individual rights not being violated by the majority, which is why they required a Bill of Rights to make it extra clear.

Neither a 'pure democracy, which doesn't exist, or a representative democracy, necessarily have those protections; and both can have them, such as with the constitutional protections.

You seem to be confusing 'direct versus represenatative' with individual rights and constitutional safeguards.