The Children of MAGA

[pmv]

That’s because minds aren’t changed via facts. In fact I’m guessing most of the participants have doubled down on their views.

From the limited amount I’ve read, changing someone’s mind is a slow process that simply revolves around the person who’s trying to change the other persons views by asking questions that allows the person to question their beliefs and allowing them to find and explore facts from themselves.

I would have assumed that the only reliable way to change people's minds is to change their actual material conditions and the nature of their lives over an extended period of time. Though I suppose that is a form of 'allowing them to find and explore facts for themselves'. People have to experience those 'facts', not merely be told them.

 

[ivwshane]

I would have assumed that the only reliable way to change people's minds is to change their actual material conditions and the nature of their lives over an extended period of time. Though I suppose that is a form of 'allowing them to find and explore facts for themselves'. People have to experience those 'facts', not merely be told them.

That would be the long way. Discussion, debates, and so forth are supposed to be the shortcut.

 

[HomerJS]

Today’s Republicans are raising the next generation of fascists. That’s why we need to see this

 

[Jaskalas]

Today’s Republicans are raising the next generation of fascists. That’s why we need to see this

They've normalized fascism as a virtue.
And there is no inherent quality for people to resist it.
The world over, even today, human rights apply to a frighteningly few number of people.
And soon we won't have any to speak of either.

The only way to reverse this trend, is the same answer we applied in the 1940s.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Seemed relevant

 

[trenchfoot]

"Whites are Native Americans". Yeah, about that. So what needs to be asked about that is what does that make of the Native American Indians who preceded these "White Native Americans" by ~30,00 years?"

Ehhh, never mind. The come back would be just as ridiculous.

Trump has schooled his followers in the "The Art of the Lie" followed up by "The Art of the Steal" where the premise in both fictional publications is that "You can lie all you like and make it the truth because you said so." In this way there is no way you're going to lose an argument. In this way stealing something isn't stealing because you said it ain't so. The genius of Trump at work folks.

 

[HomerJS]

Kids of MAGA learn from their parents to question the citizenship of any brown person. They did it to Obama.

Ilhan Ohmar go back to where to came from
Barack Obama go back to where you came from
Mehdi Hasan go back to where you came from

White people are the native Americans?

 

[VashHT]

An Indian guy I used to work with was told to "go back home" after trump was elected the first time, his parents are citizens and he was born here. My friend's wife has had people tell her to go back where she came from over the phone because she has an accent. It's just all really stupid, almost certainly their ancestors were told the same shit when they first came here, same stupid rhetoric like "they won't integrate into society" and "they don't speak english" was used against their families when they first came here but they have no problem saying the same dumb stuff.

 

[MrSquished]

Mehdi seems like a treasure.

Well whether it's one of our own homegrown p&n fascists here, or the ones that go on jubilee to get dismantled by reality, it's pretty consistent, they're all just the most disgusting and horrific people in the world.

 

[K1052]

An Indian guy I used to work with was told to "go back home" after trump was elected the first time, his parents are citizens and he was born here. My friend's wife has had people tell her to go back where she came from over the phone because she has an accent. It's just all really stupid, almost certainly their ancestors were told the same shit when they first came here, same stupid rhetoric like "they won't integrate into society" and "they don't speak english" was used against their families when they first came here but they have no problem saying the same dumb stuff.

Basically everybody that's ever gotten off the boat here endured wild discrimination at the hands of nativists, until those people also became nativists and started beating on the next group. You'll never meet a more aggressive group of ladder pullers than first generation Americans.

 

[dank69]

Turns out the happy fascist was fired before the interview and is now being investigated for defrauding donors.

 

[gothuevos]

That’s because minds aren’t changed via facts. In fact I’m guessing most of the participants have doubled down on their views.

From the limited amount I’ve read, changing someone’s mind is a slow process that simply revolves around the person who’s trying to change the other persons views by asking questions that allows the person to question their beliefs and allowing them to find and explore facts from themselves.

The hope with the jubilee videos isn’t to change the minds of the participants but hopefully open the minds of those who are watching. Which is the same point of these forums for some (myself included).

This is a really good post.

 

[nakedfrog]

LOL, I just saw the text he used on his donation site:
"My name is Connor and I was recently shown in the latest Jubilee episode, as a result, unfortunately I was subsequently released from my job. I'm raising money as an emergency fund and for other expenses while I look for a new job. Unfortunately voicing fully legal traditional right wing political views results in real consequences. This is cancel culture and political discrimination on full display."

This one is evergreen, it seems.

 

[esquared]

LOL, I just saw the text he used on his donation site:
"My name is Connor and I was recently shown in the latest Jubilee episode, as a result, unfortunately I was subsequently released from my job. I'm raising money as an emergency fund and for other expenses while I look for a new job. Unfortunately voicing fully legal traditional right wing political views results in real consequences. This is cancel culture and political discrimination on full display."

This one is evergreen, it seems.
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"Ahhhh. They fired me.
Can you guys help me out?"

https://www.givesendgo.com/rift-connor-emergency-fund

Socialist freeloader
/s

 

[esquared]

What these magarats don't understand, and its extremely simple.
Yes you have, everyone has, free speech rights.
What everyone doesn't have is free speech without consequences

That's why this loud mouth asshole got fired. He shouted out loud on the show, "Yes, I am a fascist."
What company is going to want to employ an admitted fascist, maybe even a nazi?

 

[Paratus]

Basically everybody that's ever gotten off the boat here endured wild discrimination at the hands of nativists, until those people also became nativists and started beating on the next group. You'll never meet a more aggressive group of ladder pullers than first generation Americans.

The lady who runs the house cleaners who cleans our house is from El Salvador. She’s been here legally under the one of the govt programs that gives them temporary legal status and she’s been keeping up with the filing payments to stay current as she tries for citizenship.

Turns out she was pro Trump (couldn’t/didn’t vote) because she didn’t like how Obama and dems were giving Venezuelans “free tens of thousands of dollars.”

Something that never happened.

She just got sent a surprise immigration court date to likely strip her temporary protected status and deport her.

 

[HomerJS]

The lady who runs the house cleaners who cleans our house is from El Salvador. She’s been here legally under the one of the govt programs that gives them temporary legal status and she’s been keeping up with the filing payments to stay current as she tries for citizenship.

Turns out she was pro Trump (couldn’t/didn’t vote) because she didn’t like how Obama and dems were giving Venezuelans “free tens of thousands of dollars.”

Something that never happened.

She just got sent a surprise immigration court date to likely strip her temporary protected status and deport her.

Trump and conservatives have a never ending supply of ignorant people to exploit. Her FAFO was to remain willfully ignorant and it bit her. She could have looked up the correct information but chose not to.

 

[K1052]

The lady who runs the house cleaners who cleans our house is from El Salvador. She’s been here legally under the one of the govt programs that gives them temporary legal status and she’s been keeping up with the filing payments to stay current as she tries for citizenship.

Turns out she was pro Trump (couldn’t/didn’t vote) because she didn’t like how Obama and dems were giving Venezuelans “free tens of thousands of dollars.”

Something that never happened.

She just got sent a surprise immigration court date to likely strip her temporary protected status and deport her.

The degree to which latino people thought Trump was on the side of their particular intra-latino rivalry really is/was insane. Absolute idiots.

 

[Indus]

The lady who runs the house cleaners who cleans our house is from El Salvador. She’s been here legally under the one of the govt programs that gives them temporary legal status and she’s been keeping up with the filing payments to stay current as she tries for citizenship.

Turns out she was pro Trump (couldn’t/didn’t vote) because she didn’t like how Obama and dems were giving Venezuelans “free tens of thousands of dollars.”

Something that never happened.

She just got sent a surprise immigration court date to likely strip her temporary protected status and deport her.

Millions like her.

Ffs I created a few threads about it here and was accused of being anywhere from full MAGA to alarmist.

Basically anyone who immigrates here has a boogeyman they are escaping. And Right wing media is brilliant at exploiting that.

 

[nakedfrog]

The lady who runs the house cleaners who cleans our house is from El Salvador. She’s been here legally under the one of the govt programs that gives them temporary legal status and she’s been keeping up with the filing payments to stay current as she tries for citizenship.

Turns out she was pro Trump (couldn’t/didn’t vote) because she didn’t like how Obama and dems were giving Venezuelans “free tens of thousands of dollars.”

Something that never happened.

She just got sent a surprise immigration court date to likely strip her temporary protected status and deport her.

My partner's parents trotted that one out too, near as I can tell it was from this.

Millions like her.

Ffs I created a few threads about it here and was accused of being anywhere from full MAGA to alarmist.

Basically anyone who immigrates here has a boogeyman they are escaping. And Right wing media is brilliant at exploiting that.

I think it was more your general tone about immigrants that drew the attention you're talking about.

 

[HomerJS]

Here are those same white kids almost 10 year ago taunting Hispanic kids in the cafeteria. They've now grown up taunting Mehdi Hasan. Yeah, I know not exactly the same, but you get the point.

None of those crackers bothered to consider how it effected the Hispanic students. Note to girl crying. MAGAts will never be your friends.

 

[Brainonska511]

Basically everybody that's ever gotten off the boat here endured wild discrimination at the hands of nativists, until those people also became nativists and started beating on the next group. You'll never meet a more aggressive group of ladder pullers than first generation Americans.

While this is true, people with any sort of not "American White" will likely continue to face discrimination, beyond the first generations, at the hands of nativists, who wish to bring on European styles of racism where you can somehow be the wrong kind of white.

 

[K1052]

While this is true, people with any sort of not "American White" will likely continue to face discrimination, beyond the first generations, at the hands of nativists, who wish to bring on European styles of racism where you can somehow be the wrong kind of white.

Most certainly and when it happens to them cue the Pikachu surprised face because they thought they were in the club. This is definitely happening in the Latino community as the discount Gestapo stops anybody browner than the inside of Wonder Bread to see if they are illegal or not.