The Cesspool of Humanity

[CaptnKirk]

On this Forum.

I cannot beleive, although I witness it in post after post, the lack of compassion and/or understanding of so many of the participants.

I'll write it off to ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, or 'D' - all of the above.

The disaster in New Orleans should have brought out the best side of people, banding together to help and encourage those who have suffered in this tragedy.

Instead many have stepped forward to scream with the loudest voices and disrespect those who have suffered and are continuing to suffer
are those (You will know them for their putrid mentality) who are acting as "who cares, it didn't affect me, I'm too important",
those who have the Klan Mentality of "serves them right, they are only minorities - the scum of the earth who are not worthy of living",
and those who react as if this is some genocidal gene pool chlorination that will give them the satisfaction that their perceived
burdon on society, will no longer be there to take away their 'so hard earned tax dollars' that they think should go for their own personal greed.

This is our United States, not some third world country, where they have always in the past been so disinterested in helping,
the ONLY sin that these people who are dying by the thousands have commited is that of having not been born into rich white culture.

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

Look accross the images of New Orleans - look at those thousands of houses sitting roof deep in water - many of those homes have
become necropolis neighborhoods - only the dead are inside - either by drowning, heat stroke from being trapped in attics, or died of injury.
They can't hardly get to those places yet to even begin to help, and each hour the slim chance of hope is being extinguished for too many.

Dave McOwen - whom so many like to ridicule and call a 'Looney Liberal' - actually did take part, and as far as I know continues to
help in the rescure as best he can. Conjur, who so many attack on a post by post basis, tried to communicate the message to those who frequent
this forum to keep people appraised of the situation, and direct them to where they could help - if they felt so inclined - or to donate if they could do so.

A handfull of individuals have chosen to do nothing except launch attack after attack on them, and to make false statements just to show
the depth of their arrogance and distain for anyone wh is willing to help those in need.
You're no better than the looters and shooters that caused even more problems for the rescue effort - you're no help at all.

I. for one. have been plesantly suprised as to how some who were staunch GOP supporters in the past opened their eyes and questioned what they saw.

Others conviened into their tight little circle of character assassins and blatently insulted anyone who didn't worship Bush.

I'm going to post very little over the next few days, I don't want to waste my time conversing with the Klan Mentality that came out here.
My Army Seargent Son is visiting with his wife before he returns for another year
in Iraq to do his job for this country.
Even he is dismayed with the lack of urgency from the Federal Level, and he understands the scope of what happened,
and knows that he may be deployed into New Orleans when he returns to Fort Hood on Monday night, to join those from his base that have already gone there.

To those of you who have been supportive of the rescue effort, and have voiced your dissapointment with Federal Assiatance - I thank you.

For those core few who call everyone who dosen't agree with then, and wish death on those who are so desparate - shame on you.
God is going to make sure that there's a special place in Hell you can call your very own.

This will be found to be, after it's all sorted out, the largest catastrophy this Nation has ever faced, and so much of it could have been avoided.

Special thanks to:

arsbanned
BBond
Bowfinger
BaliBabyDoc
Conjur
Czar
Darkhawk28
DealMonkey
Don Vito :thumbsup:
dmcowen674
Engineer
Hayabusa Rider
judasmachine
Moonbeam
Orsorum
Pliablemoose
RabidMongoose
raildogg
rahvin
Red Dawn
Tab
umbrella39
Zebo
1EZduzit

Honorable Mention 'Bird' - you know who you are . . . .

For the most part, you have stepped forward, and tower head and shoulders above the mental midgets that plague this forum.
Some of you have (Like me) gotten a bit too passionate when trying to educate those who have chosen to remain ignorant.
That can be understood in the heat of an argument, as when the ad hominim personal attacks begin.
Most of you have proven yourselves to be gentlemen during the conversations, and have given substance to your thoughts.
Cudos to you.

Many I reserve judgement on, as they are either too recent into this side of the forum, or have shown a willingness to think and learn.

Then there's the 'Dirty Dozen' - this Forums own plague upon humanity, may God help you . . you can't help youselves, and you deserve so little from life.

K

* Updated - to Alpahbetize . . .

 

[yllus]

I do wonder if you realize you've rather obviously complimented those who agree with your general train of thought on the current administration and damned the rest. An interesting way to supposedly honour a lack of partisan thought.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: yllus
I do wonder if you realize you've rather obviously complimented those who agree with your general train of thought on the current administration and damned the rest. An interesting way to supposedly honour a lack of partisan thought.

As expected.

There are many on that list that I don't always agree with, but what they have in common is an ability to think for themselves.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Geez, more partisan hackery in this place?

How absolutely sickening. A named circle jerk, with jerk being the key word here. Congratulating BBond for what? For being a shrill voice with FVCK BUSH this and FVCK BUSH that in just about every single post of his?

Yeah buddy, way to step up. :roll:

Man you're just so deluded as to what "stepping up" is that it's not even funny. Please go back under your bridge.

 

[Darkhawk28]

You're certainly welcome, CaptnKirk and PLEASE, thank your son for me. He sounds like a very good man, I'm sure you're proud.

I do get overly passionate about my message, especially when it comes to life or death issues. I believe that all life is precious and that our society can only be measured through our actions and by how we help the "least" of us.

Too many on this forum, care about one thing: money and/or their ownselves.

I remember a time when I was like that and I feel ashamed of myself for that line of thinking. I'd like to think that I have evolved and am continuing to evolve my thought process above that. The biggest eye-opener for me was the birth of my first little girl almost 5 years ago and I began to REALLY think about what kind of country and world I wanted to leave my children and my future grandchildren. I realized that the joy of life cannot be found in green-colored paper, but by the love I give my children and the teaching of what is right and just that I give them.

But anyway, enough of my rambling. Thank you again, Captn. Much love to ya, brother. :beer::thumbsup:

 

[yllus]

Yes, because I've been so wildly partisan about this entire affair. :roll:

Sorry, but you can dress a partisan message up all you want and people will still see through it. Nice of you to try to shame who doesn't agree with you and your criticism of the federal assistance to date and tell them "there's a special place in Hell you can call your very own." Or that those people "have chosen to remain ignorant." This is your message of understanding to those who speak out of "ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, or 'D' - all of the above"? How very noble of you.

 

[mwtgg]

You're right, it could have been avoided. If only they would have known about it a few days before it struck, more people could have been saved. :roll:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: yllus
I do wonder if you realize you've rather obviously complimented those who agree with your general train of thought on the current administration and damned the rest. An interesting way to supposedly honour a lack of partisan thought.

I'm not sure why I'm even on the list as I've barely even posted in regards to this tragedy - just posted a list of some corporation donations and maybe a few other posts in regards to foreign aid and such, but thanks anyways

However, while I certainly dislike Bush (and most politicians), I'm not so vehemently against him, blaming this whole disaster upon him and such.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

God is going to make sure that there's a special place in Hell you can call your very own.

You're taking an internet message board waaaay too seriously.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: yllus
Yes, because I've been so wildly partisan about this entire affair. :roll:

Sorry, but you can dress a partisan message up all you want and people will still see through it. Nice of you to try to shame who doesn't agree with you and your criticism of the federal assistance to date and tell them "there's a special place in Hell you can call your very own." Or that those people "have chosen to remain ignorant." This is your message of understanding to those who speak out of "ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, or 'D' - all of the above"? How very noble of you.

Exactly. This OP is the absolute height of insult clothed as some partisan butt-patting that it would be laughable if it wasn't just so pitifully sad and pathetic as to its true intent.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
However, while I certainly dislike Bush (and most politicians), I'm not so vehemently against him, blaming this whole disaster upon him and such.

Aye.

 

[Zebo]

Thanks Cappy.

I agree with that mayor who said there should'nt be one press conference until everyone is evacuated. Our government is so fusked up one hand does'nt know what the other is doing all holding press conferneces instead of getting thier hands dirty. We have 35,000 troops in Kaleen TX a short distance away who should be XOe'd over there along with fleets of tour buses.

This pretty much sums up everything,

The Rebellion of the Talking Heads
Newscasters, sick of official lies and stonewalling, finally start snarling.
By Jack Shafer
Posted Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, at 2:36 PM PT



Anderson Cooper: no more Mr. Nice Guy


A former deputy chief of FEMA told Knight Ridder Newspapers yesterday (Sept. 1) that there "are two kinds of levees?the ones that breached and the ones that will be breached." A similar aphorism applies to broadcasters: They come in two varieties, the ones that have gone stark, raving mad on air and the ones who will.

In the last couple of days, many of the broadcasters reporting from the bowl-shaped toxic waste dump that was once the city of New Orleans have stopped playing the role of wind-swept wet men facing down a big storm to become public advocates for the poor, the displaced, the starving, the dying, and the dead.

Last night, CNN's Anderson Cooper abandoned the old persona to throttle Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., in a live interview. (See the video or read the transcript.)


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"Does the federal government bear responsibility for what is happening now? Should they apologize for what is happening now?" Cooper opened.

As if campaigning before the local Democratic Ladies' Club lunch, Landrieu sing-songed back, "Anderson, there will be plenty of time to discuss all of those issues, about why, and how, and what, and if." She went on to thank President Bush, President Clinton, former President Bush, Senators Frist and Reid, and "all leaders that are coming to Louisiana, and Mississippi, and Alabama, "for their help.

Her condescending filibuster continued: "Anderson, tonight, I don't know if you've heard?maybe you all have announced it?but Congress is going to an unprecedented session to pass a $10 billion supplemental bill tonight to keep FEMA and the Red Cross up and operating."

Cooper suspended the traditional TV rules of decorum and, approaching tears of fury, said:

Excuse me, Senator, I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't heard that, because, for the last four days, I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi. And to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting each other, you know, I got to tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very upset, and very angry, and very frustrated.

And when they hear politicians slap?you know, thanking one another, it just, you know, it kind of cuts them the wrong way right now, because literally there was a body on the streets of this town yesterday being eaten by rats because this woman had been laying in the street for 48 hours. And there's not enough facilities to take her up.



Do you get the anger that is out here? ?

I mean, I know you say there's a time and a place for, kind of, you know, looking back, but this seems to be the time and the place. I mean, there are people who want answers, and there are people who want someone to stand up and say, "You know what? We should have done more. Are all the assets being brought to bear?"

Landrieu kept her cool, probably because she's in Baton Rouge, while the stink of corpses caused Cooper to tremble in rage all the way to the commercial break.

Yesterday, on NPR's All Things Considered, Robert Siegel didn't get medieval on Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, in part because the microphones there are specially fabricated to decant all emotion from the voices of their reporters. But Siegel aggressively blocked every escape route that Chertoff took to evade hard questions about "corpses" and "human waste" piling up at the city's convention center, where thousands were stranded without provisions. (Siegel gets tough at about minute four in the audio clip.)

Siegel kept asking Chertoff how long it would take to serve or rescue these people, and a couple times Chertoff answered that the government was doing a great job at the Superdome.

When he cautioned Siegel about the danger of relying on "anecdotal" "rumors" of people in dire straits, Siegel said, no?these are facts presented by reporters who have covered war zones. There are 2,000 people at the convention center in need, he said. Having finally broken through the steel plate that is Chertoff's skull, the secretary confessed he hadn't heard those reports?reports that the television networks were documenting, live, with their cameras. Chertoff promised he'd look into the matter.

Several readers directed me to CNN reporter Miles O'Brien's hard-boiled interview with Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour in which he repeatedly invited the governor to agree with him that the federal government had "dropped the ball." When Barbour demurred on this and other points of culpability, O'Brien came back at him without the politesse reporters usually extend to dissembling pols.

I recall Andrea Mitchell all but editorializing on NBC the other night about Congress taking its sweet time to reconvene and pass a hurricane-relief bill ? Fox News Channel's Shepard Smith chasing after a mute police officer down the New Orleans freeway overpass and asking in outrage when the stranded would get help ? and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough in Biloxi transforming himself into the voice of the disenfranchised to put in a good word for the looters:

You got to understand that these are people who have young babies who haven't had water in four days, in some cases, haven't had formula, haven't had basic necessities. I just wonder what you would do, what I would do if we were in a situation where our 15-month-old child or our 2-year-old baby needed something to stay alive. I don't know what you would do. I know I would do anything it took to get what they needed.

Now, I should be getting it from the federal government if I am in New Orleans, from the state government. But I will tell you what. It is amateur hour, and it has been amateur hour over the past four or five days. This is completely different, friends, from the way the crises were handled in Florida last year, four hurricanes, two of them major, it was handled with ruthless efficiency. I know. I was there. That is not happening tonight in New Orleans.

This morning the discontent spread to the anchor booth at CNN, as Wonkette notes, when Soledad O'Brien openly mocked FEMA in an interview with its director, Michael Brown:

As you can tell, the situation clearly is deteriorating. You've got armed bandits roving the streets. They're heavily armed. You've got people living out on the streets with absolutely no protection, no help whatsoever, no food, no water. How many armed National Guardsmen do you have on the ground right now? ?

How is it possible that we're getting better intel than you're getting? ?

FEMA has been on the ground for four days, going into the fifth day. Why no massive airdrop of food and water? In Banda Aceh, in Indonesia, they got food dropped two days after the tsunami struck. ?

It's five days that FEMA has been on the ground. The head of police says it's been five days that FEMA has been there. The mayor, the former mayor, putting out SOS's on Tuesday morning, crying on national television, saying please send in some troops. So the idea that, yes, I understand that you're feeding people and trying to get in there now, but it's Friday. It's Friday. ?

CNN anchor Jack Cafferty growled about the media coverage of Katrina's victims yesterday on Wolf Blitzer's The Situation Room, name-checking me and citing my Wednesday column about the broadcasters' failure to acknowledge the race and economic class of the hardest-hit.

Said Cafferty:

We knew it was coming. And yet, the poorest and the neediest and the most helpless of those in New Orleans, well, they're still there, aren't they? Despite the many angles of this tragedy?and lord knows there've been a lot of them in New Orleans?there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore.

That would be until now. Slate.com's Jack Shafer wrote today in his column that television coverage has shied away from talking about race and class. Shafer says that we in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor. And he's right. Almost every person we've seen, from the families stranded on their rooftops waiting to be rescued, to the looters, to the people holed up in the Superdome, are black and poor.

Many of them didn't follow the evacuation orders because they didn't have the means to get out of town. They just couldn't do it. A lot of them are sick, a lot of them don't have cars, a lot of them just didn't have the means to leave "The Big Easy." And they're still there.

This gave the Washington-based Blitzer a perfect opening to comment on race and class, but he stumbled and fell into a "Campanis moment." While airing file footage of victims trudging through hip-deep water looking for help, Blitzer, no racist, said:

You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals, as Jack Cafferty just pointed out, so tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold. [Emphasis added.]

(Note to Blitzer: You might be one of those guys, like Campanis, who shouldn't talk about race extemporaneously. Next time, try channeling your outrage from the pages of a well-thought-out news script.)

The rebellion of the talking heads reached its culmination today as CNN.com contrasted "the official version" of events in New Orleans with its "in-the-trenches" account by its reporters and authoritative sources. Muted compared to the on-air growling, the Web story still portrays the government as a pack of liars, or worse, as bumbling idiots. The broadcasters' angry dispatches break with the "public face" they usually give their work: polite, patient, neutral, generous. A steady diet of such confrontational reporting would probably be as edifying as a Jerry Springer show. But when the going gets this tough?when government incompetence and lies become so insurmountable?sometimes the only way to get the story is by getting mad.

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[yllus]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: yllus
I do wonder if you realize you've rather obviously complimented those who agree with your general train of thought on the current administration and damned the rest. An interesting way to supposedly honour a lack of partisan thought.

I'm not sure why I'm even on the list as I've barely even posted in regards to this tragedy - just posted a list of some corporation donations and maybe a few other posts in regards to foreign aid and such, but thanks anyways

However, while I certainly dislike Bush (and most politicians), I'm not so vehemently against him, blaming this whole disaster upon him and such.

*nods* Be for or against Bush all you like, I just think it's incredibly crass to be tossing around blame while the city is freshly in ruins. And this post is crassness to a whole new level. Editorializing some partisan bullsh!t and throwing your currently serving son in there to make the people who disagree with anything you say out to have a "Klan Mentality"? I'm in disbelief that CaptnKirk feels others should feel ashamed after this little stunt.

 

[charrison]

I won't name names, but those who keep coming back with the 'their fault', 'Governer didn't', 'Mayor wasn't', 'Bush didn't know' themes,
and continue to deflect blame to cover their perceived 'I am too important', and 'they're only trash people' have got to be the least sincere
self centered hypocrites on this forum. I lost all respect for you.

So basically you give a thumbs up to anyone who thinks that Bush is solely responsable for this disaster and thumbs down to anyone who says state and local have their fair share of blame.

I will once again give Don Vito a :thumbsup: for staying above the fray.

 

[Tab]

Thanks Capt, though I think a PM would be better...

Of course this is just a message board, so what? We're people, and our posts are the thoughts of people. I would personally love to meet some of these people in real life.

 

[rahvin]

There is no way in hell bbond should be in the list. He's a raving lunatic who has spent more time linking this to Iraq than expressing any concern for people. IMO

 

[Czar]

good post

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: rahvin
There is no way in hell bbond should be in the list. He's a raving lunatic who has spent more time linking this to Iraq than expressing any concern for people. IMO

Does he spew lots of links on subjects such as the Iraq war? Yes, but he hasn't concerning the events we're talking about.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: rahvin
There is no way in hell bbond should be in the list. He's a raving lunatic who has spent more time linking this to Iraq than expressing any concern for people. IMO

Does he spew lots of links on subjects such as the Iraq war? Yes, but he hasn't concerning the events we're talking about.

Are you kidding? Have you read anything he posts? Admittadly I try not to read his tripe but he's posted entire tirades about Iraq in threads devoted to NO. I told him to shut up in one thread it got so bad.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Geez, more partisan hackery in this place?

How absolutely sickening. A named circle jerk, with jerk being the key word here. Congratulating BBond for what? For being a shrill voice with FVCK BUSH this and FVCK BUSH that in just about every single post of his?

Yeah buddy, way to step up. :roll:

Man you're just so deluded as to what "stepping up" is that it's not even funny. Please go back under your bridge.

A list of Bush hating liberals.

 

[CanOWorms]

This is one of the worst posts I've ever read. It's even worse than some of the ones I make. Even the formatting is horrible!

 

[Czar]

interesting, the post has basicly drawn the line, pulled those out whom the post was meant for

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: rahvin
There is no way in hell bbond should be in the list. He's a raving lunatic who has spent more time linking this to Iraq than expressing any concern for people. IMO

I haven't read too many of the hurricane threads, but that doesn't really surprise me.

Anyways, people like tasteslikechicken and yllus should be on the list, too.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: yllus
I do wonder if you realize you've rather obviously complimented those who agree with your general train of thought on the current administration and damned the rest. An interesting way to supposedly honour a lack of partisan thought.

I'm not sure why I'm even on the list as I've barely even posted in regards to this tragedy - just posted a list of some corporation donations and maybe a few other posts in regards to foreign aid and such, but thanks anyways

However, while I certainly dislike Bush (and most politicians), I'm not so vehemently against him, blaming this whole disaster upon him and such.

Many people on this forum have seized upon this issue to further vent their existing political frustrations against the Bush admin. Some of the counter attacks to this from the conservative side have also been excessive and regretable.

The viciousness of the condemnation being spewed out of a select few of the posters in the face of those who do not completely agree with their conclusions is rather concering to me.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

this is fscking pathetic man. i seriously thought this was a parody thread when i first read it, but now that i realize you are serious i'm pretty disgusted.

i believe the reason that passions and emotions are so high right now is because we are all so damn frustrated and angered at how our own citizens are stuck in this horrific nightmare. we are all thinking to ourselves how in the world this could happen to our own citizens, and damnit it pisses the hell out of me as i'm sure it does many of you. i think a lot of crap has been side by both sides, but honestly i believe most of it has been said in anger and without thought.