The cat is out of the bag on Republican voter suppression.

[BurnItDwn]

This makes sense so they wont do it. Asking voters for ID to make sure there legal isn't voter suppression

If some voters do not have ID, and they are not able to vote because of new law requiring ID, how is that not suppression?

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh, that's why Republicans won the election....

 

[blankslate]

Maybe I am, it's really hard to keep the excuses on this board straight. What's good is that now that Dems have this supposed mandate, they'll pass a National ID law, and get national voting straightened out. Should take about 4-6 months from start to finish. By June we'll have our answer on if this is a real issue or not.

I'm not opposed to a national ID on principle... however when the idea was floated a few years ago people were screaming about "Big Gubment!"

http://news.cnet.com/National-ID-cards-on-the-way/2100-1028_3-5573414.html

While some republicans backed it enough prominent small government proponents (republicans and libertarians alike) objected to it.


Also it is (was) mainly republicans pushing for the Id laws. Which as stated only affected a very uncommon form of voter shens. There are other forms of voting manipulation that is more common.

Such as providing more voting machines in places that are more likely to vote in a particular way and making sure those voting machines are the best ones and providing fewer voting machines, which are in need of maintenance to the places which will vote the other way.

Did you watch the entire video?

 

[chucky2]

Please do tell who those people were.

Use your Google skills and go back and look. Over the course of years, whenever voter fraud has been brought up, the subject has been poo poo'd by The Left on here. Have fun...

 

[chucky2]

Why would they pass a national ID law when they have repeatedly stated that in-person voter impersonation is extremely rare?

What would a national ID law do to help registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud or voter suppression?

Because along with that National ID law they can also setup a proper registration system, absentee voting system, and as such, do away with asinine 'voter suppression' schemes.

If done properly, there is literally no valid excuse any longer for someone to say their vote was "suppressed". The entire solution should take no longer than 4-6 months from high level case to detailed technical requirements. It is beyond sad this is even an issue in the US, we could be leading the world and showing - and providing - how it should be done, rather than being the joke we are. It's embarrassing...

Chuck

 

[Munky]

That's funny... I thought voter suppression was a myth that only republicans would believe in

 

[nehalem256]

That's funny... I thought voter suppression was a myth that only republicans would believe in

Did you miss the fact that the "proof" of voter suppression was a Republican official who was being indicted for stealing from the Republican party?

 

[blankslate]

One of the most famous cases that ID proponents like to bring up were a bunch of ineligible voters in a certain florida county. there were a few hundred people who did commit fraud...

It is disturbing. However, if you read past the part that Voter ID pushers like to highlight which is the number of people caught.

The ratio at which these fraudulent voters voted reflected the way the legible voters were voting. If these additional votes had been legal and added to the vote totals they would not have affected the voting outcome for that county.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...0EgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=an8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6702,7352014

Found it Broward County. 442 extra voters who added to the amount of votes in a way that wouldn't have changed the vote result..

 

[chucky2]

Impossible. We have been told numerous times that voter fraud is so rare it for all purposes doesn't exist. Your link must be wrong.

 

[blankslate]

Impossible. We have been told numerous times that voter fraud is so rare it for all purposes doesn't exist. Your link must be wrong.

In person voter impersonation is very rare and very unlikely to affect the outcome of an election... other forms of voting irregularity shens are more likely to flip an election.

Quit twisting what people have said on the issue.

Maybe a national ID would solve everyone's objection to the "problem" of unidentified voters but good luck getting it past the tinfoil hat people.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

There isn't voter suppression, so this is all much ado about nothing. Right?

Use your Google skills and go back and look. Over the course of years, whenever voter fraud has been brought up, the subject has been poo poo'd by The Left on here. Have fun...

Impossible. We have been told numerous times that voter fraud is so rare it for all purposes doesn't exist. Your link must be wrong.

This is exactly the kind of stupid that is rampant among conservatives.

Here's a tip for ya, genius: voter suppression |= voter fraud. Learn the difference before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

Good grief you righties are dumb...

 

[chucky2]

In person voter impersonation is very rare and very unlikely to affect the outcome of an election... other forms of voting irregularity shens are more likely to flip an election.

Quit twisting what people have said on the issue.

Maybe a national ID would solve everyone's objection to the "problem" of unidentified voters but good luck getting it past the tinfoil hat people.

Right, and that's exactly what I'm saying. Pass National ID law. For things people need National ID for, such as voting, employment, benefits, etc., you have just solved anyones bitch about corruption. Same time you roll that out, you couple it with proper voting process reform. Now that problem is solved. Nationally. Going forward. I don't understand why it is so hard, and the failure by either party to solve it suggests that both want it to continue, else they've had ended the hint of a problem long ago.

You can bet if there were problems with the pay and benefit system that serves Politicians, that'd be fixed F'ing ASAP.

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

This is exactly the kind of stupid that is rampant among conservatives.

Here's a tip for ya, genius: voter suppression |= voter fraud. Learn the difference before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

Good grief you righties are dumb...

Yes I understand the difference. What's incredibly dumb is your last quote of me is my response to him posting a link that shows voter fraud in triple digit numbers in one county. Which is what The Left has repeatedly said does not occur, or occurs in such incredibly small numbers it's not an issue. Granted 400 voters out of Broward is a small number, but, its far higher a number in one single county than Lefties have even proposed happens nationally.

Basically you're calling me an example and dumb for pointing out his own link invalidates what Lefties here have said in past threads. Why you'd quote my last response is beyond me, but I'm sure you had some point other than it makes you look like a dumbass.

Chuck

 

[JEDIYoda]

Any examples, just look at the left they only want it when it suits them

mommy mommy Johnny also had his hand in the cookie jar........sad that your only argument is to try to deflect the truth....

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes I understand the difference. What's incredibly dumb is your last quote of me is my response to him posting a link that shows voter fraud in triple digit numbers in one county. Which is what The Left has repeatedly said does not occur, or occurs in such incredibly small numbers it's not an issue. Granted 400 voters out of Broward is a small number, but, its far higher a number in one single county than Lefties have even proposed happens nationally.

Basically you're calling me an example and dumb for pointing out his own link invalidates what Lefties here have said in past threads. Why you'd quote my last response is beyond me, but I'm sure you had some point other than it makes you look like a dumbass.

Chuck

None of those instances, which cover a whole lot of territory including honest mistakes, have been shown to be alleviated by voter ID. The article is incredibly vague & intentionally provocative at the same time.

 

[shortylickens]

Like to ban the op for false title. He never said anything about suppression in his post.

Disenfranchising isnt a real thing. Its a non-specific bullshit argument cuz you cant prove anything real. If people are so wishy-washy about going to vote at all then fuck em. No one is attacking anybody with clubs or dogs or fire hoses. Get off your lazy ass, register, and go out & fucking vote. Quit whining about nonsense.


(not talking about all the real voter suppression issues we already have)

 

[Jhhnn]

Because along with that National ID law they can also setup a proper registration system, absentee voting system, and as such, do away with asinine 'voter suppression' schemes.

If done properly, there is literally no valid excuse any longer for someone to say their vote was "suppressed". The entire solution should take no longer than 4-6 months from high level case to detailed technical requirements. It is beyond sad this is even an issue in the US, we could be leading the world and showing - and providing - how it should be done, rather than being the joke we are. It's embarrassing...

Chuck

Incorrect. Voting is very much a States' Rights issue, which is why there are such wide disparities. The States most likely to engage in voter suppression would be the first to file lawsuits on Constitutional grounds. If they wanted fair & honest standards & methods, they'd already have them, but they don't. We already have national standards with HAVA, none of which prevent states from being more restrictive.

 

[Lemon law]

Poor ole GOP voter Sepression folks, not only did their efforts flop in the end, they badly underestimated how badly their message would fail to resonate with a changing GOP demographic in Florida.

 

[trenchfoot]

Poor ole GOP voter Sepression folks, not only did their efforts flop in the end, they badly underestimated how badly their message would fail to resonate with a changing GOP demographic in Florida.

I prefer the GOP version that existed before it got hijacked by the Tea Party. Now that the Tea Party is calling the shots, instead of being crafty and clever, they're being blatantly extroverted about their intentions, which gives them absolutely nada wiggle room to fake their way out of.

Romney had to find that out the hard way. The Florida Repubs running the elections there found that out in a more humiliating way than Romney did.

Arrogance mixed with desperation and denial makes for such a bitter tasting humble pie.

 

[shira]

If some voters do not have ID, and they are not able to vote because of new law requiring ID, how is that not suppression?

Especially if the new laws disproportionately reduce the voting of specific groups relative to others, as all of the Republican-sponsored voter ID measures do.

 

[Ausm]

Use your Google skills and go back and look. Over the course of years, whenever voter fraud has been brought up, the subject has been poo poo'd by The Left on here. Have fun...

I want proof not a bullshit rant. I've been on this forum for around 16 years and I haven't seen it. The ball is in your court upchucky2.

 

[Greenman]

I'll be interested to see if this actually turns into something. It's a pretty serious accusation, but it could simply be sour grapes.

 

[Ausm]

I'll be interested to see if this actually turns into something. It's a pretty serious accusation, but it could simply be sour grapes.

I wouldn't call it sour grapes because President Obama won that State and many others were voter suppression is prevalent.