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The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies About War And Terrorism

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Originally posted by: charrison
While all this is true it was left out that
1. These tubes were on the banned import list.
2. El Baradei admitted to tubes could be modified for nuclear purposes.
3. We still dont know what was done with the tubes.


These are major omissions in my book. And this these subjects have been beat to death.

1) Virtually anything (rubber balls, toothbrushes) were on the banned import list.

2) Where? The IAEA has consistantly maintained that those tubes were not of the proper type or specifications for gas centrifuging.

3) The shipment was intercepted (How do you think the US knew about them?). So I suppose they are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, under US control.

 
Originally posted by: Warin
Originally posted by: charrison
While all this is true it was left out that
1. These tubes were on the banned import list.
2. El Baradei admitted to tubes could be modified for nuclear purposes.
3. We still dont know what was done with the tubes.


These are major omissions in my book. And this these subjects have been beat to death.

1) Virtually anything (rubber balls, toothbrushes) were on the banned import list.

2) Where? The IAEA has consistantly maintained that those tubes were not of the proper type or specifications for gas centrifuging.

3) The shipment was intercepted (How do you think the US knew about them?). So I suppose they are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, under US control.



1. I dont know the rubber balls and toothbrushs were banned.

2. I have posted the link several times here. I guess I will have to dig it up one more time.

3. We still never got an explaination of their intended use.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
As I've said before, the WMD, Iraq as imminent threat to US Soil, etc...UTTERLY IRRELEVANT. What IS relevant, you ask?

1) 22 MILLION Iraqi's lived under a violent dictator's oppressive regime.

2) An estimated 100,000 Iraqi citizens were killed, tortured or wrongfully imprisoned EVERY YEAR for the last 20 YEARS. That's 2 MILLION people!

3) Iraqi CHILDREN were imprisoned for not participating in the Regime's indoctrination programs for the BAATHE party.

4) Saddam's sons were lined up to take over after he was gone, and all indications are that they are even *more* brutal than he was


WHY is it that you anti-war people completely FORGET these utterly important facts? Do you simply NOT CARE? Why fuss with political trivialities when REAL PEOPLE are dying needlessly because of some megalomaniac and his lackies feeling like they just wanna kill someone?

And for goodness sakes, is Zebo FRENCH?

Jason

First of all, if Iraqi people are suffering as much as you said they are, why didn't they fought Hussien themself? We have seen Iraqis have the weapons and the guts to fight American who are much stronger than Hussien.

Second, even if Iraqi people are suffering, it is up to the International community to come up with a solution. (If individual country can claim people of another country is suffering and invade another country based on that, you can see how that can be abused right?) We can certainly try making that happen being the most powerful country in UN. But did Bush Admin ever use suffering of Iraqi people as the main point when rally countries in UN to get rid of Hussien?

Third, everything you said was not the reason Bush cited to get American to go to war. If Bush said that we will spend hundreds of billion and sacrificing American lifes to free the Iraqi people, and American people agreed to that, well that's a decision we as people made and that is fine. But that was not the reason he cited and the reasons he cited so far was either unproven or have been proven false.
 
Originally posted by: Matt2
Do you also believe this??

Taken from the same website. According to this site nearly 900 US soldiers have dies in Afghanistan and close to 600 have been injured.

I guess we are losing over there??

Have you heard any government figures on troop losses from Afghanistan? If so why don't you share them with us?

Address the Top 40. Start with number one.



 
Originally posted by: Tabb
26) Shots Rang Out From The Palestine Hotel, Directed At U.S. Soldiers, Just Before A U.S. Tank Fired On The Hotel, Killing Two Journalists.

26) Shots Rang Out From The Palestine Hotel, Directed At U.S. Soldiers, Just Before A U.S. Tank Fired On The Hotel, Killing Two Journalists.

Eyewitnesses to the April 8 attack uniformly denied any gunfire from the hotel. And just two hours prior to firing on the hotel, U.S. forces had bombed the Baghdad offices of Al-Jazeera, killing a Jordanian reporter. Taken together, and considering the timing, they were deemed a warning to unembedded journalists covering the fall of Baghdad around them. The day's events seem to have been an extreme instance of a more surreptitious pattern of hostility demonstrated by U.S. and UK forces toward foreign journalists and those non-attached Western reporters who moved around the country at will. (One of them, Terry Lloyd of Britain's ITN, was shot to death by UK troops at a checkpoint in late March under circumstances the British government has refused to disclose.)

Some days after firing on the Palestine Hotel, the U.S. sent in a commando unit to raid select floors of the hotel that were known to be occupied by journalists, and the news gatherers were held on the floor at gunpoint while their rooms were searched. A Centcom spokesman later explained cryptically that intelligence reports suggested there were people "not friendly to the U.S." staying at the hotel. Allied forces also bombed the headquarters of Abu Dhabi TV, injuring several.

Your in a fscking war zone. This one is just beyond stupidity.

Don't be ridiculous. Which one is it. The US has the capability to fight a clean war because of our "smart" weapons where civilian casualties are limited or the US fires a "dumb" tank shell at a hotel where they know journalists are staying and happens to hit the exact floor and room where the journalists are staying?

No credibility, just like Bush.


 
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Matt2
Do you also believe this??

Taken from the same website. According to this site nearly 900 US soldiers have dies in Afghanistan and close to 600 have been injured.

I guess we are losing over there??

Have you heard any government figures on troop losses from Afghanistan? If so why don't you share them with us?

Address the Top 40. Start with number one.


I found this.

That death toll is 52.

Most recent deaths are March 29, 2003.

Kinda old, but if 848 US soldiers have died in four months, then I will be the first to apologize and kiss your @$$.

Until then, this stroy about US casualties in Afghanistan discredits that entire website.
 
But did Bush Admin ever use suffering of Iraqi people as the main point when rally countries in UN to get rid of Hussien?
They only switched to a more moral angle after the lame "Iraq is a threat, really!" wasn't seeing traction.

In America today the president needs only a solid marketing force to wage nearly any type of foreign policy campaign. The reasoning, motives and justification are secondary. And American taxpayers come in a distant third.
 
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Matt2
Do you also believe this??

Taken from the same website. According to this site nearly 900 US soldiers have dies in Afghanistan and close to 600 have been injured.

I guess we are losing over there??

Have you heard any government figures on troop losses from Afghanistan? If so why don't you share them with us?

Address the Top 40. Start with number one.


I found this.

That death toll is 52.

Most recent deaths are March 29, 2003.

Kinda old, but if 848 US soldiers have died in four months, then I will be the first to apologize and kiss your @$$.

Until then, this stroy about US casualties in Afghanistan discredits that entire website.

So you believe Bush's lies but tell us what to believe on the web. Classic.
 
k, I was just discrediting this website. 900 US soldiers dead is a gross exaggeration and so are MOST of the top 40 lies.
 
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Matt2
Do you also believe this??

Taken from the same website. According to this site nearly 900 US soldiers have dies in Afghanistan and close to 600 have been injured.

I guess we are losing over there??

Have you heard any government figures on troop losses from Afghanistan? If so why don't you share them with us?

Address the Top 40. Start with number one.


I found this.

That death toll is 52.

Most recent deaths are March 29, 2003.

Kinda old, but if 848 US soldiers have died in four months, then I will be the first to apologize and kiss your @$$.

Until then, this stroy about US casualties in Afghanistan discredits that entire website.

So you believe Bush's lies but tell us what to believe on the web. Classic.

HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAH! Zebo if you had a brain you would know that projectille weapons such as a tank shell cant really be guided that much. What do you want our troops to do? Not shoot back?
 
Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Some of the items on that list can be refuted. The big lies that matter to me are 1) Iraq had a stockpile of WMD, 2) Iraq was on the brink of getting nukes, 3) Iraq was linked to al queerda and 4) Iraq was an "imminent" threat to the U.S. All have been proven false. I also believe Bush Inc. decided to wage war with Iraq before looking for supporting facts. Finally, I believe he did a terrible job at presenting the costs and possible downsides of war to the American taxpayer.

I guess you got that "knowledge" first hand? Jeeze why waste billions in defense when a super spy like you knows everything about a country thousands of miles away and the size of CA.
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We all get our knowledge from third-parties. The 4 topics I mentioned have been, for me, proven to be lies. They haven't found any trace of WMDs, let alone stockpiles of them. Iraq's near nuclear capability has been proven a fallacy by various sources. The vague and invisible links with Al Queerda were just that, vague and invisible. And as for Iraq being an imminent threat...my local grocer threatens me more than Saddum did.

Face it, Bush prompted our intelligence groups to come up with evidence to support his war. The CIA even complained about this way back in 2002. Real super spies have reported this stuff, not me.
 
Originally posted by: JellyBaby
We all get our knowledge from third-parties. The 4 topics I mentioned have been, for me, proven to be lies. They haven't found any trace of WMDs, let alone stockpiles of them. Iraq's near nuclear capability has been proven a fallacy by various sources. The vague and invisible links with Al Queerda were just that, vague and invisible. And as for Iraq being an imminent threat...my local grocer threatens me more than Saddum did.

Face it, Bush prompted our intelligence groups to come up with evidence to support his war. The CIA even complained about this way back in 2002. Real super spies have reported this stuff, not me.

In other words: YOUR OPINION
 
No, he really believes it, or so he would like us to think. The Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas, told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush made the following pronouncement during a recent meeting between the two: "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."
Oh my, I woudln't have a hard time believing he really said that. If that's true, our president could very well be a schizophrenic. Then Bush's whole reasoning process can be explained since it sure is easy to kill if you hear a voice in your head instructing you to.
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
As I've said before, the WMD, Iraq as imminent threat to US Soil, etc...UTTERLY IRRELEVANT. What IS relevant, you ask?

1) 22 MILLION Iraqi's lived under a violent dictator's oppressive regime.

2) An estimated 100,000 Iraqi citizens were killed, tortured or wrongfully imprisoned EVERY YEAR for the last 20 YEARS. That's 2 MILLION people!

3) Iraqi CHILDREN were imprisoned for not participating in the Regime's indoctrination programs for the BAATHE party.

4) Saddam's sons were lined up to take over after he was gone, and all indications are that they are even *more* brutal than he was


WHY is it that you anti-war people completely FORGET these utterly important facts? Do you simply NOT CARE? Why fuss with political trivialities when REAL PEOPLE are dying needlessly because of some megalomaniac and his lackies feeling like they just wanna kill someone?

And for goodness sakes, is Zebo FRENCH?

Jason

Fell the ownage! Where is the link for the plastic shreader?!?!

Zebo is just another name a zealot 😛 Anyone thinks we should kick Zebo out of the states and see how he likes it in Iraq?


Anyone think we should kick Bush out of the States and see how HE likes it in Iraq?
 
Originally posted by: elzmaddy
No, he really believes it, or so he would like us to think. The Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas, told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush made the following pronouncement during a recent meeting between the two: "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."
Oh my, I woudln't have a hard time believing he really said that. If that's true, our president could very well be a schizophrenic. Then Bush's whole reasoning process can be explained since it sure is easy to kill if you hear a voice in your head instructing you to.

I am skeptical if that is really true. Many of us call Bush an idiot, but it is only figurative way to express our displeasure. I doubt Bush is stupid enough to say those things.
 
Originally posted by: ogmios
Originally posted by: elzmaddy
No, he really believes it, or so he would like us to think. The Palestinian prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas, told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush made the following pronouncement during a recent meeting between the two: "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."
Oh my, I woudln't have a hard time believing he really said that. If that's true, our president could very well be a schizophrenic. Then Bush's whole reasoning process can be explained since it sure is easy to kill if you hear a voice in your head instructing you to.

I am skeptical if that is really true. Many of us call Bush an idiot, but it is only figurative way to express our displeasure. I doubt Bush is stupid enough to say those things.


Don't underestimate Bush. He is stupid enough to say anything. Why do you think they keep him out of press conferences? Why do you think the few press conferences he does have are all scripted?

This is a man whose brain was pickled in alcohol for his first 40 years who had a religious conversion provided by some right wing radical Christian conservatives. The statement made to Abbas sounds completely plausible coming from Bush.
 
Originally posted by: BOBDN

Anyone think we should kick Bush out of the States and see how HE likes it in Iraq?

I can agree with you there! Send Bush to rule over Iraq if he loves it so much. Let's see how long he survives there before being assasinated. The Iraqi's will love Bush with their guns and shower him with affectionate bullets. Watch Bush fall back from the fire and drown in his oil pits, never to be heard from again!

 
Let me get this straight...because you watch CNN and your local news station, you are all experts on the subject. WAKE UP! The media doesn't give you 1/10th of the total information out there. They just cover stuff that is entertaining. There's tons more information out there than your all know and has been released. That person is also blaming the Bush Administration for the media's blunders. Just look at item #1, "The Administration Was Not Bent On War With Iraq From 9/11 Onward"...who said they were? THE MEDIA!
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: BOBDN

Anyone think we should kick Bush out of the States and see how HE likes it in Iraq?

I can agree with you there! Send Bush to rule over Iraq if he loves it so much. Let's see how long he survives there before being assasinated. The Iraqi's will love Bush with their guns and shower him with affectionate bullets. Watch Bush fall back from the fire and drown in his oil pits, never to be heard from again!

His administration should be able to steal an election there even easier than they did here. Well, now that they invaded and occupied the country.
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: BOBDN

Anyone think we should kick Bush out of the States and see how HE likes it in Iraq?

I can agree with you there! Send Bush to rule over Iraq if he loves it so much. Let's see how long he survives there before being assasinated. The Iraqi's will love Bush with their guns and shower him with affectionate bullets. Watch Bush fall back from the fire and drown in his oil pits, never to be heard from again!


Heh, Bush in an oil pit. That slimy bastard. How could you tell? He is an oil pit. How ironic he never could find oil. He should have looked in a mirror.
 
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Let me get this straight...because you watch CNN and your local news station, you are all experts on the subject. WAKE UP! The media doesn't give you 1/10th of the total information out there. They just cover stuff that is entertaining. There's tons more information out there than your all know and has been released. That person is also blaming the Bush Administration for the media's blunders. Just look at item #1, "The Administration Was Not Bent On War With Iraq From 9/11 Onward"...who said they were? THE MEDIA!

Don't question the government?
 
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