The Bush administration has once again taken a leak on your carpet.

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Spin it anyway you want...if you read the article and click the supporting links, it is absolutel ownage.

Sorry Harvey. You just got done gotten eaten for din din.

I bet parrot tastes like chicken too. :laugh:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

:lips: my (_|_)

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189700.php

Enjoy, Harvey. :lips:[/quote]

Bwuhahahah :laugh:

When is the washington Post gonna check into this and isue a correction (if need be)?

A lot of shoddy journalism in the rush to be first to print these days.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189700.php

Enjoy, Harvey. :lips:

Thanks! I was extremely informative, and I enjoyed your link imensely. :thumbsup:

Too bad you didn't learn anything from it. :shocked:

Go back and check further. Then, tell us exactly WHY we should believe some pissant blog on a backwater site with a banner link entitled, "Video : Hillary Clinton, White Supremacist?" or from one of their linked sources, Laura Mansfield (lauramansfield.com) who writes for trash sites like worldnetdaily, over separate news reports on MSNBC and the Washinton Post. :roll: Hell! Even the right wing rag, The New York Sun reported

Qaeda Goes Dark After a U.S. Slip

Enemy Vanishes From Its Web Sites

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
October 9, 2007

WASHINGTON ? Al Qaeda's Internet communications system has suddenly gone dark to American intelligence after the leak of Osama bin Laden's September 11 speech inadvertently disclosed the fact that we had penetrated the enemy's system.

The intelligence blunder started with what appeared at the time as an American intelligence victory, namely that the federal government had intercepted, a full four days before it was to be aired, a video of Osama bin Laden's first appearance in three years in a video address marking the sixth anniversary of the attacks of September 11, 2001. On the morning of September 7, the Web site of ABC News posted excerpts from the speech.

But the disclosure from ABC and later other news organizations tipped off Qaeda's internal security division that the organization's Internet communications system, known among American intelligence analysts as Obelisk, was compromised. This network of Web sites serves not only as the distribution system for the videos produced by Al Qaeda's production company, As-Sahab, but also as the equivalent of a corporate intranet, dealing with such mundane matters as expense reporting and clerical memos to mid- and lower-level Qaeda operatives throughout the world.

While intranets are usually based on servers in a discrete physical location, Obelisk is a series of sites all over the Web, often with fake names, in some cases sites that are not even known by their proprietors to have been hacked by Al Qaeda.

One intelligence officer who requested anonymity said in an interview last week that the intelligence community watched in real time the shutdown of the Obelisk system. America's Obelisk watchers even saw the order to shut down the system delivered from Qaeda's internal security to a team of technical workers in Malaysia. That was the last internal message America's intelligence community saw. "We saw the whole thing shut down because of this leak," the official said. "We lost an important keyhole into the enemy."

By Friday evening, one of the key sets of sites in the Obelisk network, the Ekhlaas forum, was back on line. The Ekhlaas forum is a password-protected message board used by Qaeda for recruitment, propaganda dissemination, and as one of the entrance ways into Obelisk for those operatives whose user names are granted permission. Many of the other Obelisk sites are now offline and presumably moved to new secret locations on the World Wide Web.

The founder of a Web site known as clandestineradio.com, Nick Grace, tracked the shutdown of Qaeda's Obelisk system in real time. "It was both unprecedented and chilling from the perspective of a Web techie. The discipline and coordination to take the entire system down involving multiple Web servers, hundreds of user names and passwords, is an astounding feat, especially that it was done within minutes," Mr. Grace said yesterday.

The head of the SITE Intelligence Group, an organization that monitors Jihadi Web sites and provides information to subscribers, Rita Katz, said she personally provided the video on September 7 to the deputy director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Michael Leiter.

Ms. Katz yesterday said, "We shared a copy of the transcript and the video with the U.S. government, to Michael Leiter, with the request specifically that it was important to keep the subject secret. Then the video was leaked out. An investigation into who downloaded the video from our server indicated that several computers with IP addresses were registered to government agencies."

Yesterday a spokesman for the National Counterterrorism Center, Carl Kropf, denied the accusation that it was responsible for the leak. "That's just absolutely wrong. The allegation and the accusation that we did that is unfounded," he said. The spokesman for the director of national intelligence, Ross Feinstein, yesterday also denied the leak allegation. "The intelligence community and the ODNI senior leadership did not leak this video to the media," he said.

Ms. Katz said, "The government leak damaged our investigation into Al Qaeda's network. Techniques and sources that took years to develop became ineffective. As a result of the leak Al Qaeda changed their methods." Ms. Katz said she also lost potential revenue.

A former counterterrorism official, Roger Cressey, said, "If any of this was leaked for any reasons, especially political, that is just unconscionable." Mr. Cressey added that the work that was lost by burrowing into Qaeda's Internet system was far more valuable than any benefit that was gained by short-circuiting Osama bin Laden's video to the public.

While Al Qaeda still uses human couriers to move its most important messages between senior leaders and what is known as a Hawala network of lenders throughout the world to move interest-free money, more and more of the organization's communication happens in cyber space.

"While the traditional courier based networks can offer security and anonymity, the same can be had on the Internet. It is clear in recent years if you look at their information operations and explosion of Al Qaeda related Web sites and Web activities, the Internet has taken a primary role in their communications both externally and internally," Mr. Grace said.

All you've managed to do is confirm your already non-existent crediblity. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

 

[1EZduzit]

I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

You quoted 1EZduzit's point, then you try to excuse his very point. The most important point isn't matter where the leak originated. It's that it happened.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

No, the "private intel company" is the SITE Intelligence Group, the company founded by Rita Katz, and the company that tried to help U.S. intelligence efforts by giving "two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."

I don't see the big deal.

Your blindness is your problem. The leak is a national security problem. :shocked:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey
All you've managed to do is confirm your already non-existent crediblity. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

lol @ Harvey trying to wriggle out of his stupidity.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com...ves/2007/10/10/#009477

Isn't it interesting how the WaPo story seques from attaching specfic times to events on September 7th (sometime around 10 am, 20 minutes later, 5 pm, to "By midafternoon that day...", a conveniently vague description that somehow manages to direct the reader's attention away from any troubling references to the network that broke the story -- ABC News -- and instead causes them to focus their attention on FoxNews?

You've got to hand it to those leakers at the White House.

They're fast. Not many folks can leak a document to the press in time for them to write up and post an article before they even get their hands on it.

Update: Doesn't the chronology here (ABC News posted an article about the "leaked video" at 9:23 a.m., the White House was "given access to the tape" somewhere around 10 a.m., the video transcripts on ABC match the ones supposedly "leaked" by the White House that later showed up on FoxNews) imply that the leaker was someone within SITE?

How else did the Pentagon manage to download a copy from SITE's server at 10:12? Doesn't this strike anyone else as blindingly fast action out of the administration? Given the timing, someone at SITE would have had far more time to leak the information.

What am I missing? More and more, this is looking like another Joe Wilson story.

Odd timelines. Possibly there's a reason for the discrepancy but if that's true it still points to more shoddy reporting by the WaPo. Damn backwater newspapers. 😉

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

Ex-Spies Blast Today's Spooks for Qaeda Breach

Former spies are blasting their former colleagues for blowing the cover of a private investigation into Al-Qaeda's "intranet." Rita Katz, head of the jihadist-monitoring SITE Institute, says her operation was compromised hours after she gave the White House and the National Counterterrorism Center an advance look at an Osama Bin Laden online video.

On his blog Haft of the Spear, signals and human intelligence veteran Michael Tanji says "without a doubt SITE is justified in feeling like the gov?t screwed things up."

While it is tough to point a finger at the exact leaker, the phenomenon of every swinging Richard - people who should know better - rushing to download the associated files is a problem that has long plagued those of us who dealt with these issues. It got to the point that we would stop providing URLs and other identifying information in reports because some wingnut from a gov?t IP would go to the target site and voila! It would suddenly disappear.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

Ex-Spies Blast Today's Spooks for Qaeda Breach

Former spies are blasting their former colleagues for blowing the cover of a private investigation into Al-Qaeda's "intranet." Rita Katz, head of the jihadist-monitoring SITE Institute, says her operation was compromised hours after she gave the White House and the National Counterterrorism Center an advance look at an Osama Bin Laden online video.

On his blog Haft of the Spear, signals and human intelligence veteran Michael Tanji says "without a doubt SITE is justified in feeling like the gov?t screwed things up."

While it is tough to point a finger at the exact leaker, the phenomenon of every swinging Richard - people who should know better - rushing to download the associated files is a problem that has long plagued those of us who dealt with these issues. It got to the point that we would stop providing URLs and other identifying information in reports because some wingnut from a gov?t IP would go to the target site and voila! It would suddenly disappear.

"Blowing the cover?" lol.

Please. Did you even read through the thread? The very same Rita Katz and her organization SITE have already been covered in glossy print by the New Yorker and in numerous other articles for some years already. She even wrote a book on the subject. It isn't as if SITE was some super secret undercover private investigative organization. Rita Katz is not James Bond.

All AQ did take down their infrastructure and changed security and until they rebuild it, at which point we'll infiltrate it again because our computer guys are much smarter than theirs, they will have to use whatever backups they have available. Think about it, at least those who have actually worked in IT (and this is basically an IT problem for AQ). How many of you like to rely on your backup systems? Anybody?

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

You quoted 1EZduzit's point, then you try to excuse his very point. The most important point isn't matter where the leak originated. It's that it happened.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

No, the "private intel company" is the SITE Intelligence Group, the company founded by Rita Katz, and the company that tried to help U.S. intelligence efforts by giving "two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."

I don't see the big deal.

Your blindness is your problem. The leak is a national security problem. :shocked:

Harvey gets it, most of you don't. TLC, we're havin a BBQ this weekend, wanna get on my grill? 😉

 

[Moonbeam]

The Bush admin practices a high form of deception in the political world. The CIA has a whole team dedicated to spreading misinformation and rumors etc to confuse the enemy. This is all made possible by the fact that the Bush admin has no idea what it is doing and nobody can make any sense of it.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Bush admin practices a high form of deception in the political world. The CIA has a whole team dedicated to spreading misinformation and rumors etc to confuse the enemy. This is all made possible by the fact that the Bush admin has no idea what it is doing and nobody can make any sense of it.

Moon, I think I luv you. 🙂

 

[jonmcc33]

They had the video because Bush helped them make it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

Ex-Spies Blast Today's Spooks for Qaeda Breach

Former spies are blasting their former colleagues for blowing the cover of a private investigation into Al-Qaeda's "intranet." Rita Katz, head of the jihadist-monitoring SITE Institute, says her operation was compromised hours after she gave the White House and the National Counterterrorism Center an advance look at an Osama Bin Laden online video.

On his blog Haft of the Spear, signals and human intelligence veteran Michael Tanji says "without a doubt SITE is justified in feeling like the gov?t screwed things up."

While it is tough to point a finger at the exact leaker, the phenomenon of every swinging Richard - people who should know better - rushing to download the associated files is a problem that has long plagued those of us who dealt with these issues. It got to the point that we would stop providing URLs and other identifying information in reports because some wingnut from a gov?t IP would go to the target site and voila! It would suddenly disappear.

"Blowing the cover?" lol.

Please. Did you even read through the thread? The very same Rita Katz and her organization SITE have already been covered in glossy print by the New Yorker and in numerous other articles for some years already. She even wrote a book on the subject. It isn't as if SITE was some super secret undercover private investigative organization. Rita Katz is not James Bond.

All AQ did take down their infrastructure and changed security and until they rebuild it, at which point we'll infiltrate it again because our computer guys are much smarter than theirs, they will have to use whatever backups they have available. Think about it, at least those who have actually worked in IT (and this is basically an IT problem for AQ). How many of you like to rely on your backup systems? Anybody?

Bolded the important part for the people with short attention spans or reading comprehension problems..... or are just plain stupid. 😛

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

Ex-Spies Blast Today's Spooks for Qaeda Breach

Former spies are blasting their former colleagues for blowing the cover of a private investigation into Al-Qaeda's "intranet." Rita Katz, head of the jihadist-monitoring SITE Institute, says her operation was compromised hours after she gave the White House and the National Counterterrorism Center an advance look at an Osama Bin Laden online video.

On his blog Haft of the Spear, signals and human intelligence veteran Michael Tanji says "without a doubt SITE is justified in feeling like the gov?t screwed things up."

While it is tough to point a finger at the exact leaker, the phenomenon of every swinging Richard - people who should know better - rushing to download the associated files is a problem that has long plagued those of us who dealt with these issues. It got to the point that we would stop providing URLs and other identifying information in reports because some wingnut from a gov?t IP would go to the target site and voila! It would suddenly disappear.

"Blowing the cover?" lol.

Please. Did you even read through the thread? The very same Rita Katz and her organization SITE have already been covered in glossy print by the New Yorker and in numerous other articles for some years already. She even wrote a book on the subject. It isn't as if SITE was some super secret undercover private investigative organization. Rita Katz is not James Bond.

All AQ did take down their infrastructure and changed security and until they rebuild it, at which point we'll infiltrate it again because our computer guys are much smarter than theirs, they will have to use whatever backups they have available. Think about it, at least those who have actually worked in IT (and this is basically an IT problem for AQ). How many of you like to rely on your backup systems? Anybody?

Bolded the important part for the people with short attention spans or reading comprehension problems..... or are just plain stupid. 😛

Bolder another important part for people who are even stupider, and likely purposefully blind as well.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Apparently, another bungle in the white house

A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.

Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.

How many times do we need to let these incomps fumble the ball, before we all stand up and say, no more!:|

It is not Bush or the administration, it is the fact that a politician has information that is/should be classified. 🙁

Give the same info to Hillary and expect the same result.

Sohow this has to be Clinton and the liberals fault.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

You quoted 1EZduzit's point, then you try to excuse his very point. The most important point isn't matter where the leak originated. It's that it happened.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

No, the "private intel company" is the SITE Intelligence Group, the company founded by Rita Katz, and the company that tried to help U.S. intelligence efforts by giving "two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."

I don't see the big deal.

Your blindness is your problem. The leak is a national security problem. :shocked:

There are intel experts (retired agency peep etc) all over the news saying this ain't a problem.

Until I hear something other than "is too", "is not" I'll keep my panties unbunched.

Fern

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

All they care about is Republicans winning. Valerie Plame was a covert agent working on WMD's during a war about WMD's. They did not care about exposing her and her cover company. They do not care about national security unless they can blame something on Democrats.


--------------------
Bush Apologists of America (BAA): Selling out America since 1980.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Does anyone realize that Plame was never publicly identified to be a "covert" agent until 2 days after Novak's column appeared? Novak never said she was covert because he didn't know she was and was not told she was. All he knew was that she woked at the CIA and many who work at Langley do so in a non-classified capacity.

The person who expressly stated Plame was covert was actually Corn, who wrote an article as a rebuttal to Nobak's column. Guess who Corn's sole source was for that article?

Joe Wilson.

So who gave Wilson permission to tell Corn that Plame was working in a covert capacity in the CIA and why didn't Fitzy look into that aspect of the situation during the investigation?

 

[Ldir]

:yawn:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

I don't see the big deal.

Fern

Ex-Spies Blast Today's Spooks for Qaeda Breach

Former spies are blasting their former colleagues for blowing the cover of a private investigation into Al-Qaeda's "intranet." Rita Katz, head of the jihadist-monitoring SITE Institute, says her operation was compromised hours after she gave the White House and the National Counterterrorism Center an advance look at an Osama Bin Laden online video.

On his blog Haft of the Spear, signals and human intelligence veteran Michael Tanji says "without a doubt SITE is justified in feeling like the gov?t screwed things up."

While it is tough to point a finger at the exact leaker, the phenomenon of every swinging Richard - people who should know better - rushing to download the associated files is a problem that has long plagued those of us who dealt with these issues. It got to the point that we would stop providing URLs and other identifying information in reports because some wingnut from a gov?t IP would go to the target site and voila! It would suddenly disappear.

"Blowing the cover?" lol.

Please. Did you even read through the thread? The very same Rita Katz and her organization SITE have already been covered in glossy print by the New Yorker and in numerous other articles for some years already. She even wrote a book on the subject. It isn't as if SITE was some super secret undercover private investigative organization. Rita Katz is not James Bond.

All AQ did take down their infrastructure and changed security and until they rebuild it, at which point we'll infiltrate it again because our computer guys are much smarter than theirs, they will have to use whatever backups they have available. Think about it, at least those who have actually worked in IT (and this is basically an IT problem for AQ). How many of you like to rely on your backup systems? Anybody?

Bolded the important part for the people with short attention spans or reading comprehension problems..... or are just plain stupid. 😛

Bolder another important part for people who are even stupider, and likely purposefully blind as well.

Yes, your opinion is bolded.... AND stupider.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I guess the fact that the video was leaked and that will make our efforts to spy more difficult doesn't matter?

Grow up people.

QFT! :thumbsup:

Read the posted link(s). One says no one knows where the leak came from.

You quoted 1EZduzit's point, then you try to excuse his very point. The most important point isn't matter where the leak originated. It's that it happened.

The other says it appears to have been from the private intel company.

No, the "private intel company" is the SITE Intelligence Group, the company founded by Rita Katz, and the company that tried to help U.S. intelligence efforts by giving "two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."

I don't see the big deal.

Your blindness is your problem. The leak is a national security problem. :shocked:

There are intel experts (retired agency peep etc) all over the news saying this ain't a problem.

Until I hear something other than "is too", "is not" I'll keep my panties unbunched.

Fern

Yeah, and Scooter is innocent and Gonzales will never resign.

It only takes the application of a little common sense that at best this can be neutral and more then likely is setback for our intelligence.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, and Scooter is innocent and Gonzales will never resign.

It only takes the application of a little common sense that at best this can be neutral and more then likely is setback for our intelligence.

Yeah, it's a huge set back.

Somebody get a memo out to the Neocons. We don't need any wiretapping or surviellance, stop the airport searches etc. We can just log on their website and figure it all out through the internets.

I wonder how the Senate panel investigating 9/11 missed that angle? "OK, who the fvck forgot to log on to the AQ website on Sept 10"?

Fern

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, and Scooter is innocent and Gonzales will never resign.

It only takes the application of a little common sense that at best this can be neutral and more then likely is setback for our intelligence.

Yeah, it's a huge set back.

Somebody get a memo out to the Neocons. We don't need any wiretapping or surviellance, stop the airport searches etc. We can just log on their website and figure it all out through the internets.

I wonder how the Senate panel investigating 9/11 missed that angle? "OK, who the fvck forgot to log on to the AQ website on Sept 10"?

Fern

Bush & Co. drops the ball again and Neocons like you are standing in line to defend/deflect for him...... again. Fricking unbelievable how stupid some of you people are in matters of simple common sense.