- THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOLLY: -Sharon may kill Arafat now-

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
larouche is the idiot who wanted to get rid of alan greenspan. for the "general welfare." he wouldn't know what general welfare is if it came up to him and slapped him in the face.

Alan Greenspan was largely responsible for the creation of the dotcom bubble which BURST, and the financial breakdown by just pouring money into the bankrupt LTCM system which was supposed to take us to a nwe unlimited growth in teh ';new economy' which is a fraud, used to loot, and is bankrupt. The housing bubble will be gone next, and greenspans idea of a 'recovery' (besides cutting intrest rates which does nothnig but make it worse) is to loot the physical econojmy. The crahs is on and by October every one of you tools whow ish to deny there is a crash will be rudely awaken that LaRouche was right, heck if you look just al ittle bit now, you can see ther eis no recovery, unless you wish to be fooled.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Piano Man
You know, I don't give a sh!t who this LaRouche is, but the fact remains that Arafat harbors terrorists and that Dr. King new that any violence would undermind EVERYTHING he stood for. That is why that paragraph is complete sh!t. Parallel my a$$.

Oh, he does alot worse than just harbor them. He is the chief murdering terrorist bastard as he's been for his entire career. Screw him and all the scum of the earth that adore him.

You can read Dr. Kings letters from Birmingham Jail he wrote to the clergy to back up your point on MLK *HOWEVER* ARAFAT DOES NOT ENDORSE TERRORISM! I dont care what crackhead Bush (AKA ENRON) tells you, He is a tool. HAMAS is the group that harbors terrorists, they are Arafats POLITICAL RIVAL and Yitzak Rabin admitted that Sharon helped set them up origionally as a counter to arafats Fatwa, a political movement for the liberation of Palestine (which was never liberated, still they live under hte gun of Israel and expanding settlements). Even our foreign miniuster Kuntz commented on this and a right wing member of the Israeli Ksennet called him a 'little beloved patriot boy' for bringing it up. You people really gotta drop CNN as your 'reliable' 'all terror all the time' news network.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Waste of resources, Arafat is as good as gone now. Even the Europeans agrees to some extent with Bush. Palestinian not going to have any allies left except for the Arabs who always scream and whine but won't even lift a single finger for them 😛

HAH! Every last country in the european union has condemned Sharons and the IDF nazi actions. If you actually read the israeli papers you would know this ist rue. In the Israeli daily paper Haaretz, in Jan 25th, in a article by Amir Oren labeled 'at the gates of yasserburg' the IDF admits to studying how the nazis got rid of the heroic jewish armed resistance of the warsaw ghetto and are using those tactics today to expel the palestanians. The questino is, do you have the moral convection to research this first?

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: dribgnikcom
WELL WELL WELL,

If it isn't KAMAZON the Jew hater from HardOCP.

Ignore this douchebag and his idol LaDoucheBag (His idols are whoever loves Arafart the most. He's a big fan of Sheik Ahmed Yassin may he be obliterated, "spiritual" leader of the bedouin terrorist thieves known as hamas).

Kamazon, go pray to Allah now, you need his help.

People like you spread lies like the plague. I have defended villigantly Yitzak Rabin who was arafats peace partner WHO WAS KILLED BY THE RIGHT WING OF ISRAEL, THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT. I also have the upmost respect for Moses Mendelssohn, whom without the Yiddish renissance would have never occured whciih give birth to some of the greatest classical thinkers in history such as Beethoven, Humboldt, and otehrs.

Sharon on the other hand is a self admitted 'judeo-nazi'. after his war crimes in lebanon which he was found directly responsible by the IDF and was kicked out of htre IDF for, he gives an interview callng himself a Judeo Nazi in teh israeli paper 'Davak'. Would you call someone who hates a nazi a jew hater?

Arial Sharon in all his Glory:
"Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi
state as does Leibowitz. Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi
than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like Ghadafi. "

""You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a
murderer. "

"History teaches us that
he who won't kill will be killed by others. That is an iron
law."

"I don't really care. We shall
start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until
they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all
worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more
unpopular among the so-called civilised world."

""We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish
morality"

""I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or
Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry
Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine
bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and
more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are."


DOES ANYONE SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM?? THAT SHARON IS A NAZI? OR IS ARAFAT WHO SIGNED OSLO AND STUCK TO IT WITH RABIN WHO WAS KILLED BY SHARON AND NETENYAHOUS FANATIC PARTY THE PROBLEM? YOU FOOLS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST EXCEPT WHAT CNN TELLS YOU.
http://www.counterpunch.org/pipermail/counterpunch-list/2001-September/013054.html

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Piano Man
You know, I don't give a sh!t who this LaRouche is, but the fact remains that Arafat harbors terrorists and that Dr. King new that any violence would undermind EVERYTHING he stood for. That is why that paragraph is complete sh!t. Parallel my a$$.

Oh, he does alot worse than just harbor them. He is the chief murdering terrorist bastard as he's been for his entire career. Screw him and all the scum of the earth that adore him.

You can read Dr. Kings letters from Birmingham Jail he wrote to the clergy to back up your point on MLK *HOWEVER* ARAFAT DOES NOT ENDORSE TERRORISM! I dont care what crackhead Bush (AKA ENRON) tells you, He is a tool. HAMAS is the group that harbors terrorists, they are Arafats POLITICAL RIVAL and Yitzak Rabin admitted that Sharon helped set them up origionally as a counter to arafats Fatwa, a political movement for the liberation of Palestine (which was never liberated, still they live under hte gun of Israel and expanding settlements). Even our foreign miniuster Kuntz commented on this and a right wing member of the Israeli Ksennet called him a 'little beloved patriot boy' for bringing it up. You people really gotta drop CNN as your 'reliable' 'all terror all the time' news network.

Hey moron, my information on how those people work does not come from CNN. It comes from serving with the IDF. So if you dont have anything intelligent to say, kindly STFU. There are some people here who I disagree with but I can have a decent argument with. Not you.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Piano Man
You know, I don't give a sh!t who this LaRouche is, but the fact remains that Arafat harbors terrorists and that Dr. King new that any violence would undermind EVERYTHING he stood for. That is why that paragraph is complete sh!t. Parallel my a$$.

Oh, he does alot worse than just harbor them. He is the chief murdering terrorist bastard as he's been for his entire career. Screw him and all the scum of the earth that adore him.

You can read Dr. Kings letters from Birmingham Jail he wrote to the clergy to back up your point on MLK *HOWEVER* ARAFAT DOES NOT ENDORSE TERRORISM! I dont care what crackhead Bush (AKA ENRON) tells you, He is a tool. HAMAS is the group that harbors terrorists, they are Arafats POLITICAL RIVAL and Yitzak Rabin admitted that Sharon helped set them up origionally as a counter to arafats Fatwa, a political movement for the liberation of Palestine (which was never liberated, still they live under hte gun of Israel and expanding settlements). Even our foreign miniuster Kuntz commented on this and a right wing member of the Israeli Ksennet called him a 'little beloved patriot boy' for bringing it up. You people really gotta drop CNN as your 'reliable' 'all terror all the time' news network.

Hey moron, my information on how those people work does not come from CNN. It comes from serving with the IDF. So if you dont have anything intelligent to say, kindly STFU. There are some people here who I disagree with but I can have a decent argument with. Not you.

www.seruv.org.il (seruv in hebrew means 'refuse')
I too have something to post directly from the IDF. THE SOLDIERS LETTER OF REFUSAL TO SERVE FOR NAZI MEANS!

? We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
? We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
? We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
? We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF?s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
? We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
? We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
? We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
? We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel?s defense.
? The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose ? and we shall take no part in them.



So far theres 466 signatures. WIll you have the Chutzpa to admit that what sharon is doing is a EXACT copy of his war crimes in 1982 and modeled after General Jurgen Stroop who was responsible for wiping out the heroic armed resistance of the jewish warsaw ghetto
freedom fighters (these days their known as terrorists)

Lets get something streight:
Sharon helped setup HAMAS and nwo HAMAS arafats main rival for power is doing the terrorism, not arafat who has condemned them for helping Israel and murdering innocents.

Sharon never goes after HAMAS but distroys Arafats ability to stop the terrorism, then blames arafat after bombing all his jails, policemen, and not letting arafat do a damn thing except condemn them while saying he has to stop them.

Sharon is a self admitted Judeo Nazi and being persecuted for a war criminal which he was already found guilty of by teh IDF for the massacre of sabra and shatila.

Sharons party the Likud led the movement that assassinated Arafats peace partner, and only true Israeli Prime Minister (besides maybe David Ben Gurion) who had a real plan for peace?

Sharons party, along with Netenyahou, the terrorist and prime minister Minachem Begin who blew up the king david hotel, and Yitzak Shamir are all known as the 'Princes of Jabonitsky'. Vladamir Jabonitsky was called 'Vladamir Hitler' by ISraels founder and first prime minister, David Ben Gurion for publically pledging his support for Hitler as late as 1941 if Hitler would drop the Anti Sematism. Vladamir Hitler was the FOUNDER of the right wing, the Haganah (which sharon was a part of), and the foudner of Sharons present policy, the iron wall which basically states we will beat hte palestanians and kill them untill they realize that we are stronger and give up any rights to a sovern land. In fact Vladamir Jabonitsky stated that Hitler saved Germany and without hitler germany would have fallen!! How can anyone support this facist??

 

[Linflas]

Yikes the LaRouchies have found AT.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Piano Man
You know, I don't give a sh!t who this LaRouche is, but the fact remains that Arafat harbors terrorists and that Dr. King new that any violence would undermind EVERYTHING he stood for. That is why that paragraph is complete sh!t. Parallel my a$$.

Oh, he does alot worse than just harbor them. He is the chief murdering terrorist bastard as he's been for his entire career. Screw him and all the scum of the earth that adore him.

You can read Dr. Kings letters from Birmingham Jail he wrote to the clergy to back up your point on MLK *HOWEVER* ARAFAT DOES NOT ENDORSE TERRORISM! I dont care what crackhead Bush (AKA ENRON) tells you, He is a tool. HAMAS is the group that harbors terrorists, they are Arafats POLITICAL RIVAL and Yitzak Rabin admitted that Sharon helped set them up origionally as a counter to arafats Fatwa, a political movement for the liberation of Palestine (which was never liberated, still they live under hte gun of Israel and expanding settlements). Even our foreign miniuster Kuntz commented on this and a right wing member of the Israeli Ksennet called him a 'little beloved patriot boy' for bringing it up. You people really gotta drop CNN as your 'reliable' 'all terror all the time' news network.

Hey moron, my information on how those people work does not come from CNN. It comes from serving with the IDF. So if you dont have anything intelligent to say, kindly STFU. There are some people here who I disagree with but I can have a decent argument with. Not you.

www.seruv.org.il (seruv in hebrew means 'refuse')
I too have something to post directly from the IDF. THE SOLDIERS LETTER OF REFUSAL TO SERVE FOR NAZI MEANS!

? We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
? We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
? We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
? We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF?s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
? We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
? We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
? We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
? We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel?s defense.
? The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose ? and we shall take no part in them.



So far theres 466 signatures. WIll you have the Chutzpa to admit that what sharon is doing is a EXACT copy of his war crimes in 1982 and modeled after General Jurgen Stroop who was responsible for wiping out the heroic armed resistance of the jewish warsaw ghetto
freedom fighters (these days their known as terrorists)

Oh yeah. Lets bring up the wusses who are afraid to serve their country again. ALl those whiney, scared sh|tless soldiers who are afraid to serve when it heats up. Yeah, it's scary. But its gotta be done. Look at all the other brave men who go out there instead of looking at the wusses. These people have always been around. Just now they can fool you by jumping onto the "moral" argument of someone else. A buncha scared people, that's all it is.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: KAMAZON

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Piano Man
You know, I don't give a sh!t who this LaRouche is, but the fact remains that Arafat harbors terrorists and that Dr. King new that any violence would undermind EVERYTHING he stood for. That is why that paragraph is complete sh!t. Parallel my a$$.

Oh, he does alot worse than just harbor them. He is the chief murdering terrorist bastard as he's been for his entire career. Screw him and all the scum of the earth that adore him.

You can read Dr. Kings letters from Birmingham Jail he wrote to the clergy to back up your point on MLK *HOWEVER* ARAFAT DOES NOT ENDORSE TERRORISM! I dont care what crackhead Bush (AKA ENRON) tells you, He is a tool. HAMAS is the group that harbors terrorists, they are Arafats POLITICAL RIVAL and Yitzak Rabin admitted that Sharon helped set them up origionally as a counter to arafats Fatwa, a political movement for the liberation of Palestine (which was never liberated, still they live under hte gun of Israel and expanding settlements). Even our foreign miniuster Kuntz commented on this and a right wing member of the Israeli Ksennet called him a 'little beloved patriot boy' for bringing it up. You people really gotta drop CNN as your 'reliable' 'all terror all the time' news network.

Hey moron, my information on how those people work does not come from CNN. It comes from serving with the IDF. So if you dont have anything intelligent to say, kindly STFU. There are some people here who I disagree with but I can have a decent argument with. Not you.

www.seruv.org.il (seruv in hebrew means 'refuse')
I too have something to post directly from the IDF. THE SOLDIERS LETTER OF REFUSAL TO SERVE FOR NAZI MEANS!

? We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
? We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
? We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
? We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF?s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
? We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
? We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
? We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
? We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel?s defense.
? The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose ? and we shall take no part in them.



So far theres 466 signatures. WIll you have the Chutzpa to admit that what sharon is doing is a EXACT copy of his war crimes in 1982 and modeled after General Jurgen Stroop who was responsible for wiping out the heroic armed resistance of the jewish warsaw ghetto
freedom fighters (these days their known as terrorists)

Oh yeah. Lets bring up the wusses who are afraid to serve their country again. ALl those whiney, scared sh|tless soldiers who are afraid to serve when it heats up. Yeah, it's scary. But its gotta be done. Look at all the other brave men who go out there instead of looking at the wusses. These people have always been around. Just now they can fool you by jumping onto the "moral" argument of someone else. A buncha scared people, that's all it is.

Really? You think these battle hardened soldiers who fought and served in Beirut and almost give up their lives are wusses? You think those seargants, commanders, and so fourth who are STILL willing to die for Israel, after proving they are in fighting intensely in Beirut who ONLY refuse to serve ONLY in the occupied terrotories of Palestine and commit war crimes are wusses? Woul dyou call yitzak Rabins 'peace of the brave' for wusses? ALso Its pretty easy to call someone a wuss when you're just watching them die on TV and kill innocent civilians. Dont forget the deaths of the palestanians for the past 22 months is about 4x as much as the israelis, with more innocent woman and children killed in palestine.

 

[ThePresence]

Really? You think these battle hardened soldiers who fought and served in Beirut and almost give up their lives are wusses? You think those seargants, commanders, and so fourth who are STILL willing to die for Israel, after proving they are in fighting intensely in Beirut who ONLY refuse to serve ONLY in the occupied terrotories of Palestine and commit war crimes are wusses? Woul dyou call yitzak Rabins 'peace of the brave' for wusses? ALso Its pretty easy to call someone a wuss when you're just watching them die on TV and kill innocent civilians. Dont forget the deaths of the palestanians for the past 22 months is about 4x as much as the israelis, with more innocent woman and children killed in palestine.

Yes. I call them wusses. Things are hot now, bullets are flying. They are scared, and are grabbing onto someone elses argument. Sure, they only refuse to serve in the occupied areas, cause there aint many bullets and RPG's flying at the army posts in Jerusalem. It's pretty easy for me to call them a wuss cause I'm just watching them on TV, eh? Try this on for size moron. It's pretty easy for me to call them a wuss because I served in Lebanon too, moron. I know these people. They've always been around. Scared, thats all it is. It's people like you who keep them going.

 

[Harvey]

Lyndon LaRouche is a brainless blowhard. I woudn't take anything he says seriously.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Really? You think these battle hardened soldiers who fought and served in Beirut and almost give up their lives are wusses? You think those seargants, commanders, and so fourth who are STILL willing to die for Israel, after proving they are in fighting intensely in Beirut who ONLY refuse to serve ONLY in the occupied terrotories of Palestine and commit war crimes are wusses? Woul dyou call yitzak Rabins 'peace of the brave' for wusses? ALso Its pretty easy to call someone a wuss when you're just watching them die on TV and kill innocent civilians. Dont forget the deaths of the palestanians for the past 22 months is about 4x as much as the israelis, with more innocent woman and children killed in palestine.

Yes. I call them wusses. Things are hot now, bullets are flying. They are scared, and are grabbing onto someone elses argument. Sure, they only refuse to serve in the occupied areas, cause there aint many bullets and RPG's flying at the army posts in Jerusalem. It's pretty easy for me to call them a wuss cause I'm just watching them on TV, eh? Try this on for size moron. It's pretty easy for me to call them a wuss because I served in Lebanon too, moron. I know these people. They've always been around. Scared, thats all it is. It's people like you who keep them going.

Yea you know those 467 signees, whom were able to raise in rank up to commander and sign BY BEING A SCARED BUNNY? Eitehr the IDF is SO fuc*ed up that they promote people hiding in bunkers and wetting themselves to staff seargant and commander or you are full of sh*t and an appologist to Sharons use of Nazi tactics.

If the people who are seargants and commanders LEADING the soldiers, the IDF, including you must be nothing more than a bunch of a school girls who got their panties in a twirl crying. Of course, seeing how the IDF had the balls to study ho wthe Nazis got rid fo the jews in the warsaw ghetto and are using that against hte palestanians and have no problem killnig over a 1000 innocent people during the last 22 months really puts some doubt on that.

 

[ThePresence]

Yea you know those 467 signees, whom were able to raise in rank up to commander and sign BY BEING A SCARED BUNNY? Eitehr the IDF is SO fuc*ed up that they promote people hiding in bunkers and wetting themselves to staff seargant and commander or you are full of sh*t and an appologist to Sharons use of Nazi tactics.

If the people who are seargants and commanders LEADING the soldiers, the IDF, including you must be nothing more than a bunch of a school girls who got their panties in a twirl crying. Of course, seeing how the IDF had the balls to study ho wthe Nazis got rid fo the jews in the warsaw ghetto and are using that against hte palestanians and have no problem killnig over a 1000 innocent people during the last 22 months really puts some doubt on that.

Im finished talking with someone who spouts such ignorant stupidity. But I'm just curious about one thing. You rant about everyone else getting their news from CNN, but where do YOU get your news from? LaRouche? Al Jazeera? Just curious.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Lyndon LaRouche is a brainless blowhard. I woudn't take anything he says seriously.

Really? World leaders sure take him seriously. After all he has been the only one who warned you in 1994 that this financial system will not last and begin to collapse in the year 2000 because we've looted our physical production for the past 35 years and there isn't anything else to loot. Yitzak Rabin, the only recent prime minister in Israel who had a good faith in signing peace in OSLO to stop people from Sharon who are self admitted judeo-nazis worked iwth LaRouche and called LaRouches Oasis Plan by saying the Oasis Plan will 'remove the salt from the sea, the sand from teh desert, and the hate from our hearts'. At least watch the webcast on May 28th to get a real sence from
www.larouchein2004.com

Or are you still waiting for a midnight recovery?

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Yea you know those 467 signees, whom were able to raise in rank up to commander and sign BY BEING A SCARED BUNNY? Eitehr the IDF is SO fuc*ed up that they promote people hiding in bunkers and wetting themselves to staff seargant and commander or you are full of sh*t and an appologist to Sharons use of Nazi tactics.

If the people who are seargants and commanders LEADING the soldiers, the IDF, including you must be nothing more than a bunch of a school girls who got their panties in a twirl crying. Of course, seeing how the IDF had the balls to study ho wthe Nazis got rid fo the jews in the warsaw ghetto and are using that against hte palestanians and have no problem killnig over a 1000 innocent people during the last 22 months really puts some doubt on that.

Im finished talking with someone who spouts such ignorant stupidity. But I'm just curious about one thing. You rant about everyone else getting their news from CNN, but where do YOU get your news from? LaRouche? Al Jazeera? Just curious.

So to end this, lets just get this streight. You honestly think these people in the IDF are wusses:
INCLUDING the corporals, majors, captains, and fourth?
(theres about 200 more that I didn't post, that signed the letter at

32 Naor Ben Yehoyada Captain Navy
17 Dan Tamir Captain Paratroopers
32 Naor Ben Yehoyada Captain Navy
39 Ofer Shor Captain Infantry
45 Rami Kaplan Major Armored Corps
51 Itai Haviv Captain Artillery
Perhaps you would like to read Captain Itai Havivs reasons for refusing to serve private.
56 Uri Tal Staff Sergeant Infantry
61 Marcelo Svirsky Corporal Engineering
62 Chen Alon Major Armored Corps
63 Ori Rot-Levi Captain Navy
65 Noam Ziv Major Paratroopers
68 Barak Adorian Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
78 Liron Prestelnik Captain Armored Corps
81 Moshe Sivan Captain Armored Corps
83 Akiva Leibowitz Captain Artillery
91 Noam Sagi Captain Navy
93 Hed Bar-Nissan Captain Paratroopers
104 Clark Hoover Corporal Armored Corps
111 Yoram Talmon Captain Medicine Corps
112 Shimon El-Ami Major Other
and so on and on and on who again signed this letter:
? We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
? We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF?s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
? We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
? We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
? We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
? We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel?s defense.
? The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose ? and we shall take no part in them.




1 Avner Inbar Staff Sergeant Engineering
2 Ofir Cohen Staff Sergeant Infantry
3 Itzik Holdai Staff Sergeant Engineering
Amir Engel Staff Sergeant Artillery
6 Amir Samuel Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
7 Amnon Kafri Sergeant First Class Artillery
8 Assaf Oron Sergeant First Class Infantry
9 Ariel Shatil Sergeant First Class Artillery
10 Arik Diamant Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
11 Gil Alexandrovitz Staff Sergeant Artillery
12 Guy Grosman Lieutenant Paratroopers
13 Gyora Alexandron Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
14 Gil Nemesh Staff Sergeant Engineering
15 David Zonshein Lieutenant Paratroopers
16 Dolev Tokatly Staff Sergeant Army Intelligence
17 Dan Tamir Captain Paratroopers
18 Danny Vos Sergeant First Class Navy
19 Danny Mamlok Staff Sergeant Artillery
20 Danny Markovitz Staff Sergeant Engineering
21 Haim Wies Captain Armored Corps
22 Tal Ben Amar Lieutenant Infantry
23 Yair Bustan Lieutenant Navy
24 Yigal Broner Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
25 Yehoda Shalem Staff Sergeant Infantry
26 Yoav Katz First Sergeant Armored Corps
27 Johnathan Katz Staff Sergeant Infantry
28 Yaniv Itzkovitz Lieutenant Paratroopers
29 Ishai Lerman Staff Sergeant Engineering
30 Ishai Rozen Tzvi Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
31 Ishai Sagi Lieutenant Artillery
32 Naor Ben Yehoyada Captain Navy
33 Navot Morag Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
34 Noam Livne Lieutenant Engineering
35 Nir Evron Lieutenant Paratroopers
36 Noam Wiener Lieutenant Infantry
37 Nethanel Elzas Staff Sergeant Infantry
38 Adi Martzuk Staff Sergeant Air Force AA
39 Ofer Shor Captain Infantry
40 Ilay Tamari Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
41 Amit Bar Tzedek Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
42 Amit Gal Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
43 Amit Mashiah Staff Sergeant Artillery
44 Ram Alpya Staff Sergeant Infantry
45 Rami Kaplan Major Armored Corps
46 Shoki Shade Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
47 Shahar Dolev Lieutenant Air Force
48 Shai Yakir Staff Sergeant Infantry
49 Shay Tzoker Sergeant First Class Navy
50 Shamai Leybovitz Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
51 Itai Haviv Captain Artillery
52 Amir Efrat Lieutenant Air Force
53 Shmuel Vardi Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
54 Jonathan Eshpar Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
55 Shahar Smooha Sergeant Armored Corps
56 Uri Tal Staff Sergeant Infantry
57 Ron GerLitz Captain Navy
58 Nir Lahav Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
59 Tal Avgar Staff Sergeant Air Force AA
60 Udi Elifants Lieutenant Artillery
61 Marcelo Svirsky Corporal Engineering
62 Chen Alon Major Armored Corps
63 Ori Rot-Levi Captain Navy
64 Bar Hefstz Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
65 Noam Ziv Major Paratroopers
66 Yaron Parasol Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
67 Nir Gov Warrant Officer Other
68 Barak Adorian Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
69 Yossi Veissid Sergeant First Class Infantry
70 Muli Linder Lieutenant Medicine Corps
71 Amir Shahal Captain Infantry
72 dishon bilgory Staff Sergeant Navy
73 Amir Ziv Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
74 Boaz Zussman Major Armored Corps
75 Itai Eisinger Staff Sergeant Artillery
76 Yuval Ron Staff Sergeant Army Intelligence
77 Uzi Dror Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
78 Liron Prestelnik Captain Armored Corps
79 Gilad Svirski Staff Sergeant Artillery
80 Ori Finkelman Lieutenant Artillery
81 Moshe Sivan Captain Armored Corps
82 Barak Atzmon Staff Sergeant Artillery
83 Akiva Leibowitz Captain Artillery
84 Arad Hakim Staff Sergeant Infantry
85 Uri Dotan Staff Sergeant Infantry
86 Dan Goldenblatt Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
87 Timor Israeli Lieutenant Armored Corps
88 Erez Zverling Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
89 Amit Peer Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
90 Leor Kroch Staff Sergeant Infantry
91 Noam Sagi Captain Navy
92 Hanoch Frankovits Lieutenant Armored Corps
93 Hed Bar-Nissan Captain Paratroopers
94 Samuel Miller Staff Sergeant Other
95 Trevor Galor Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
96 Avi Blum Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
97 Omri Klainberger Staff Sergeant Artillery
98 Amir Rosenfeld Captain Air Force AA
99 Uri AviHay Staff Sergeant Artillery
100 Shay Peled Sergeant Air Force AA
101 Gabi Bokvza Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
102 Roey Vollman Lieutenant Artillery
103 Ram Efrat Staff Sergeant Infantry
104 Clark Hoover Corporal Armored Corps
105 Gilad Elazar Sergeant First Class Infantry
106 Ofir Shalem Lieutenant Engineering
107 Guy Keshet Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
108 Yotam Cohen Sergeant Infantry
109 Ofer Teler Sergeant Other
110 Ronen Edelman Staff Sergeant Army Intelligence
111 Yoram Talmon Captain Medicine Corps
112 Shimon El-Ami Major Other
113 Oren Dolphin Staff Sergeant Infantry
114 Tal Shamir Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
115 Doron Tzabari Lieutenant Medicine Corps
116 Tzvika Abramovitch Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
117 Aviad Roitgrund Staff Sergeant Engineering
118 Oded chakim Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
119 Youval Tamari Captain Air Force
120 Shuli Weis Staff Sergeant Medicine Corps
121 Itai Berger Major Armored Corps
122 Zohar Mor Lieutenant Navy
123 Michael Weksler Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
124 Shahar Tzur Captain Navy
125 Eliav Saharovitch Staff Sergeant Infantry
126 Liron Eliasov Captain Army Intelligence
127 Yaniv Reingwertz Staff Sergeant Engineering
128 Shahar Almagor Captain Navy
129 Alon Barnea Staff Sergeant Engineering
130 Harel Arzi Staff Sergeant Medicine Corps
131 Omer Simha Staff Sergeant Infantry
132 Dadi Lavie Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
133 Asaf Levnon Lieutenant Armored Corps
134 Asaf Guy Staff Sergeant Navy
135 Yaron Hoffman Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
136 Maor Parsai Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
137 Jeremy Swimer Private first class Air Force
138 Yair Morag Staff Sergeant Infantry
139 Gary Sussman Sergeant Infantry
140 Isio Rosental Private Air Force
141 Dani Filc Captain Armored Corps
142 Omry Yeshurun Lieutenant Armored Corps
143 Yigal Onik Sergeant First Class Engineering
144 Ronen Katz Sergeant First Class Armored Corps
145 Doron Mutai Lieutenant Engineering
146 Tal Belo Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
147 yossi revivo Staff Sergeant Infantry
148 Lior Kay Corporal Other
149 gadi doron Sergeant First Class Paratroopers
150 nadav shlomot Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
151 yuval agassi Lieutenant Paratroopers
152 yuval netzer Sergeant First Class Armored Corps
153 Amichai Katz Staff Sergeant Infantry
154 Omri Friedman Staff Sergeant Infantry
155 Dror Lutzati Sergeant First Class Engineering
156 Eilon Oron Sergeant First Class Engineering
157 Dani Broitman Staff Sergeant Infantry
158 Alexander Lyakas Sergeant Artillery
159 Yossi Schellas Lieutenant Armored Corps
160 Yariv Mizrahi Captain Armored Corps
161 Assaf Bervald Staff Sergeant Infantry
162 Daniel Lewenhoff Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
163 Avi Shnior Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
164 Amir Shlomie Sergeant Medicine Corps
165 Yariv Shavit Sergeant Armored Corps
166 Alon Arbel Lieutenant Infantry
167 Amit Grossman Staff Sergeant Air Force
168 Omer Karp Major Armored Corps
169 Nir Rosen Staff Sergeant Other
170 Shlomi Segal Staff Sergeant Infantry
171 Asaf Barashi Staff Sergeant Paratroopers
172 Gil Shalit Sergeant Paratroopers
173 Alon Levin Staff Sergeant Infantry
174 Uri Eshhar Lieutenant Armored Corps
175 Asaf Shilo Lieutenant Engineering
176 Yuval Andorn Staff Sergeant Artillery
177 Nik John Corporal Engineering
178 Gome Levin Staff Sergeant Other
179 Ronnen Ben - Arie Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
180 Adi Naar Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
181 Nir Rehav Staff Sergeant Artillery
182 Roi Barak Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
183 Uri Fine Staff Sergeant Armored Corps
184 Ohad Matalon Sergeant First Class Armored Corps
185 Doron Segev Staff Sergeant Army Intelligence
186 Yakov Gabay Staff Sergeant Engineering
187 Michael Sfard Sergeant Medicine Corps
188 Ori Choshen Captain Air Force
189 Tamir Sorek Sergeant First Class Army Intelligence
190 Arik Peretz Staff Sergeant Infantry
191 Amnon Vidan Major Navy


seruv.il

As far as my news sources go, I follow investigative research as well as some of the sources I've linked. For example int he middle east I subscribe to haaretz, jerusalem post, israeli insider, Yedioth Aharanot(can't spell it), mid east news wire, AP, Reuters, Guardian.co.uk, Independant.co.uk, financial times, and a bunch of others. Still that doestn' mean all their articles aren't 1 sided, which si why investigative research is critical. For example CNN stated that Osama bin ladin and saddam hussein are behind the anthrax attacks. How does CNN, who is owned by the evil AOL know this? Do they do investigative research? No. Of course not, since they were WRONG. The lead suspect in the Anthrax attacks on the FBI list is a jewish scientist who worked for US Millitary who hates arabs. Does this mean all jews hate arabs, no of course not, we must learn to follow Yitzak Rabins example of the peace of the brave before he was killed by a fanatic Israeli settler tied to netenyahou and sharons likud.

 

[rufruf44]

Well, what defense do you have for Arafat cursing and screaming like he was cheated when offered the peace plan on 1999 ? Barak give him 90% of what he demanded and he won't make the sacrifice for peace ? Fast forward to 2002 and hundreds of casualties later and now he's ready to implement the Clinton's peace plan, knowing real well the Israelis won't take it.
Arafat is a useless old geezer that can't even control anything. At least Sharon still have to answer to the Kesseth (or whatever they call that parliament) and still bow to Western pressure. Arafat won't listen to anyone and can't do anything either. What's the point of letting this geezer to be the head of the Palestinians? Or are they too dumb to realize that either?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Lyndon LaRouche is a convicted felon and has been totally discounted for decades by anyone with any sense (or, in Kamazon terms, "sence"). Anyone who gives a piss in the wind what Lyndon LaRouche thinks about the President of the United States, feel free to raise your hand - the rest of us know enough to ignore his nonsensical blathering.

 

[Fausto]

Nothing like a little mayhem in the middle east to bring out the trolls.

 

[ThePresence]

As far as my news sources go, I follow investigative research as well as some of the sources I've linked. For example int he middle east I subscribe to haaretz, jerusalem post, israeli insider, Yedioth Aharanot(can't spell it), mid east news wire, AP, Reuters, Guardian.co.uk, Independant.co.uk, financial times, and a bunch of others. Still that doestn' mean all their articles aren't 1 sided, which si why investigative research is critical. For example CNN stated that Osama bin ladin and saddam hussein are behind the anthrax attacks. How does CNN, who is owned by the evil AOL know this? Do they do investigative research? No. Of course not, since they were WRONG. The lead suspect in the Anthrax attacks on the FBI list is a jewish scientist who worked for US Millitary who hates arabs. Does this mean all jews hate arabs, no of course not, we must learn to follow Yitzak Rabins example of the peace of the brave before he was killed by a fanatic Israeli settler tied to netenyahou and sharons likud.

Yes, they are all wusses. Every last one of them, regardless of rank. Why would seeing their name and rank make any difference to my opinion? Even generals can get scared when bullets are flying their direction. Interesting how you regard everything CNN with strong suspicion, yet you swallow all the propoganda about Yigal Amir being Rabin's assasin and stuff like that. That is a questionable thing to put it mildly. So lean back in your armchair in Calfornia and pretend to understand whats going on in a region of the world that you can never hope to begin to understand. Im throught with you.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Lyndon LaRouche is a convicted felon and has been totally discounted for decades by anyone with any sense (or, in Kamazon terms, "sence"). Anyone who gives a piss in the wind what Lyndon LaRouche thinks about the President of the United States, feel free to raise your hand - the rest of us know enough to ignore his nonsensical blathering.

Well guess who else is a convicted felon. Martin Luther King Jr. Nelson Mandela. Ghandi. Socrates (put to death by the deomcratic council of Greece). Plato (same fate as Socrates). Christ (same fate as both plato and socrates, except he was killed in Rome). George Washington woul dhave been hung by the British on Treason.

Seeing how Amelia Boynton Robinson, the heroine in the civil rights movement who was the first african american woman to run for congress in alabama who got MLK to move to her house in alabama to organize the civil rights movement, along with Reverend James Bevel and MLK, who worked in her house since no one would give them an office, and is STILL the leader in teh civil rights movemetn at 92 years old. She calls LaRouche the next martin luther King Jr. and Rev. James Bevel is LaRouches running mate. Amelia Boynton Robinson even adopted LaRouches wife, Helga Zepp LaRouche as her daughter! Heres al ink, i was at her birthday in DC in teh september 7th 2001 confrence, where LaRouche warned us of terrorist attacks aimed at dc and surrouding areas in teh comming weeks ahead because fo the financial collapse. It was also amelias birthday. Heres a link:
]http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/2001/Labor%20Day/conf_sep_2001_mw_.html

At least do some research on this horrific case, the judge himself in the first case said the prosecution has conducted fraudulant misconduct upon the court, and the defence didn't even have to speak since after the opening statements by the prosecution (THE LOVELY DOJ), it was a mistrial based on government corruption. THey forced a 2nd case (illegal) and said that the defence can't use government corruption as their defence and LaRouche can't testify either. What do they have to hide? Well it was enough to get 10,000 signatures to exonerate LaRouche after serving 7 years of his life sentance, along with his co workers who got 77 year sentances for 'having the intention to commit tax and mail fraud in teh future'. At least do some research!
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At least do some research on this horrific case, the judge himself in the first case said the prosecution has conducted fraudulant misconduct upon the court, and the defence didn't even have to speak since after the opening statements by the prosecution (THE LOVELY DOJ), it was a mistrial based on government corruption. THey forced a 2nd case (illegal) and said that the defence can't use government corruption as their defence and LaRouche can't testify either. What do they have to hide? Well it was enough to get 10,000 signatures to exonerate LaRouche after serving 7 years of his life sentance, along with his co workers who got 77 year sentances for 'having the intention to commit tax and mail fraud in teh future'. At least do some research!
[L=http://larouchein2004.net/exonerate.htm]http://larouchein2004.net/exonerate.htm">http://larouchein2004.net/exonerate.htm</a>

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Well, what defense do you have for Arafat cursing and screaming like he was cheated when offered the peace plan on 1999 ? Barak give him 90% of what he demanded and he won't make the sacrifice for peace ? Fast forward to 2002 and hundreds of casualties later and now he's ready to implement the Clinton's peace plan, knowing real well the Israelis won't take it.
Arafat is a useless old geezer that can't even control anything. At least Sharon still have to answer to the Kesseth (or whatever they call that parliament) and still bow to Western pressure. Arafat won't listen to anyone and can't do anything either. What's the point of letting this geezer to be the head of the Palestinians? Or are they too dumb to realize that either?

Lets go back to camp david agreements between barak/arafat/clinton (excuse the no caps). There was only 1 point Arafat didn't agree on with the Camp David agreements, which barak was very unerasonable with. The control of holy sites in Islam. Jerusalem is home to the Al Asqa Mosque, the 3rd holiest site in all of Islam. It is said that Muhommad ascended to heaven from this site and all muslims used to pray to that mosque before Mecca. This is the 3rd holiest site in ALL of Islam and the fanatics typlified by Sharon TRIED TO BLOW IT UP A FEW TIMES ALREADY THESE PAST 2 YEARS! Why? because they figure that this is wher ethe old temple of king solomon used to be (NOT distroyed by arabs but romans I believe) and the want to rebuild it to bring back the messiah. Give me a break. You dont go blow up holy sites to start perpetual religious warfare.

Also, Sharon stated this Intifada, NOT arafat. We had numerous months of peace while the agreements were going on. Then Sharon wanting to sieze power, walked into the Al Asqa Temple Mount wuith a 1000 armed guards in late september, which they tried to blow up before and after that incident adn ptu the corner stone for the new temple of solomon, and said that he can come there and do whatever he wants. The palestanians threw rocks at them, and the soldiers opened fire under sharons orders. THIS sparked the latest intifada.

THIS is how sensative the Al Asqua mosque is. Arafat could have not just simply given it up to Barak without having any control of it, the people would have not supported it and HAMAS could have then taken over making things worse. Barak did not operate on GOod faith. Arafat got even less land than in OSLO (land for peace), but was willing to sign, as long as muslims can control their own holy site, seeing how the fanatics in Israel tried to blow it up numerous times, I dont blame him either.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

As far as my news sources go, I follow investigative research as well as some of the sources I've linked. For example int he middle east I subscribe to haaretz, jerusalem post, israeli insider, Yedioth Aharanot(can't spell it), mid east news wire, AP, Reuters, Guardian.co.uk, Independant.co.uk, financial times, and a bunch of others. Still that doestn' mean all their articles aren't 1 sided, which si why investigative research is critical. For example CNN stated that Osama bin ladin and saddam hussein are behind the anthrax attacks. How does CNN, who is owned by the evil AOL know this? Do they do investigative research? No. Of course not, since they were WRONG. The lead suspect in the Anthrax attacks on the FBI list is a jewish scientist who worked for US Millitary who hates arabs. Does this mean all jews hate arabs, no of course not, we must learn to follow Yitzak Rabins example of the peace of the brave before he was killed by a fanatic Israeli settler tied to netenyahou and sharons likud.

Yes, they are all wusses. Every last one of them, regardless of rank. Why would seeing their name and rank make any difference to my opinion? Even generals can get scared when bullets are flying their direction. Interesting how you regard everything CNN with strong suspicion, yet you swallow all the propoganda about Yigal Amir being Rabin's assasin and stuff like that. That is a questionable thing to put it mildly. So lean back in your armchair in Calfornia and pretend to understand whats going on in a region of the world that you can never hope to begin to understand. Im throught with you.

How can someone who can't operate in battle, raise to rank as major, colonel, seargant first class, and so fourth? That doesn't make any kind of sence and we've discussed this. Again you're just acting foolish.

Yigal Amir as being propoganda? It was obvious he did it, he admitted it, he preplanned it, the gun was found with his fingerprints, and he was ont he scene arrested and he was stalking rabin and threatning him with death. Give me a break. I'm sure CNN wouldn't have reported this informatino tho 😉

ALso, lets go back 1 month before the death of Rabin. You had Netenyahou and Sharon leading huge rallies down Tel Aviv with the crazy settlers movement htat Yigal Amir belonged to in the back having dolls of Yitzak Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, in prison, with a gun to his head, being hung. The cameras picked up them saying 'are you comming to the funeral? are you comming to the funeral tommrow?' Then Netenyahou says "We will overthrow the government" while Sharon whips up the crowd supporting them. Then, a month later, the same settler movement killed Rabin.

Lets see CNN report this, propoganda my ass.

Yitzak Rabin was killed by the right wing of Israel typlified by teh facist and racist Sharon and Netenyahou because he made peace. They give him HELL for shaking hands with Arafat adn thereatened him that if he did, they would make hiim sorry. After he did shake hands with Arafat Rabin said "You make peace with your enemies, not wiht your friends". Rabin too was an old soldier who realized waht hteir doing is immoral and wrong, and Israel cannot maintain constant perpetual war with its neighbors since they will go facist (like sharon who studies how the nazis distroyed the aremd jewish resistance and does the same thing to the palestanians hwo calls himself a 'judeo-nazi' proudly, displays it lik ea badge of honor) and also one day, they will lose. Sharon is the biggest suicide bomber in Israel, he has made it nothing but bankrupt and less secure with his Jabonitksy ideology.

Yitzak Rabin came from teh tradition of David Ben Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel who learned greek to study Plato. My kinda man! His rival, the founder of the right wing of Israel and the Israeli facist movement, Vladamir Jabonitsky was called 'vladamir hitler' by david ben gurion for publically supporting Hitler as late as 1941 if he would drop the anti-semitism, and respected mussoulini who respected him. Jabonitsky was hired by General Zubatov in Russia under the Tzar to weed out the Great Moses Mendelssohn movement which was for a ecumenical dialogue.

Who'se side are you on?

 

[Scipionix]

So 467 soldiers out of 600,000 are cowards, possibly even legitimate "objectors." 0.08 percent is hardly representative.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Nothing like a little mayhem in the middle east to bring out the trolls.

Your remarks show you have no idea what you're talking about. Sharon studying how the nazis distroyed the armed jewish resistance int eh warsaw ghetto and using it agains the palestanians 2x and NOT going after HAMAS, arafats Rival movement who want power, but giogn after Arafats jails, policemen, etc. those that can STOP hamas and demanding arafat has tot stop them is not 'a little mayham'. this can stat ww3 by targeting 1 billion muslims. You can read how the IDF studied the nazi warsaw ghetto tactics in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz (www.haaretzdaily.com) in teh Jan 25th edition, under the title 'at the gates of Yasserburg' by Senior writer "Amir Oren" or you can download teh General Jurgen Stroop report, on how he eradicated the heroic jewish armed resistance in www.holocaust-history.com and see that it's identical. Also SHaron, who'se political party was also responsible for the man who made peace, yitzak Rabin, and now going after his partner in Peace, with over 1500+ dead on the palsetanian side and over 400+ dead on the israeli side because of facist ideologues is not a 'little mayham'. I dont care who you were refering to a troll even if it wasn't me, you're quote is dispeciable.

 

[KAMAZON]

Originally posted by: Scipionix
So 467 soldiers out of 600,000 are cowards, possibly even legitimate "objectors." 0.08 percent is hardly representative.

Duh the content is in the letter they all signed, its not that they have refused to serve in teh occupied territories, big deal, but what hte letter says they signed.

? We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
? We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
? We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
? We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF?s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
? We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
? We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
? We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
? We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel?s defense.
? The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose ? and we shall take no part in them.

For 467 Israeli soldiers who have served, many fought in Beirut and in the occupied territories many of whom are high ranking, to sign this letter which over 80 of them have been arrested is no small potatos. It forces the reader (You) to see why they might be doign this and if you visit their website

Refusal
you can read the letters from the soldiers themselves to see why they signed this. Of course, you could just listen to the all terror all the time news network CNN who flat out lies 1/2 the time.