The buddhist statues destroyed by radical muslims

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

Too little too late, that's how.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

Too little too late, that's how.

What would be your suggestion then?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

Too little too late, that's how.

What would be your suggestion then?

It's not my place to tell them how to manage their religion. They would know better what to do then I would. My obsersvation still stands though.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: judasmachine
And Christians don't covet to remove something from the map?

Are Christians coming out calling for the destruction of whatever that is? Are they rioting and burning embassies over a cartoon from a country the people rioting have never heard of?

Thats the Dome of the Rock, and yes, they are calling for the destruction of this mosque, just watch one of those Christian TV stations for about five minutes. However they are not rioting, but they do protest, and send craploads of money to the radical elements in Israel.

All I'm saying is that there is radicalism on all sides. Some have not the resources to subvert the other with money, and the other does, but the bulls are both hornlocked.

 

[OrByte]

Those wild and zainy Taliban!!

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

Too little too late, that's how.

What would be your suggestion then?

It's not my place to tell them how to manage their religion. They would know better what to do then I would. My obsersvation still stands though.

How exactly do you manage a religion, short of declaring yourself the second coming? And how exactly would peaceful followers manage mobs of angry protestors?

I'm just trying to understand what you would have deemed an adequate response by the peaceful followers. Should they have donned riot gear and formed a blockade? Or maybe stand in front of embassies while protestors threw molotov cocktails at them?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

I seem to recall several major Islamic clerics and politicians calling for the end of violent protests. How does that = not caring?

Too little too late, that's how.

What would be your suggestion then?

It's not my place to tell them how to manage their religion. They would know better what to do then I would. My obsersvation still stands though.

How exactly do you manage a religion, short of declaring yourself the second coming? And how exactly would peaceful followers manage mobs of angry protestors?

I'm just trying to understand what you would have deemed an adequate response by the peaceful followers. Should they have donned riot gear and formed a blockade? Or maybe stand in front of embassies while protestors threw molotov cocktails at them?

If I were a Muslim, I would leave the faith over the crap that is ALLOWED to go on or at the very least quit giving them money.

You seem to forget that the Muslims have a history regarding the Jews. They've been at each others throats for so long they don't even need a reason to hate each other anymore. The same seed was planted, in me anyway, when they try to control what people from a non muslim country with totaly different beliefs can print/think.

I consider myself a person willing to give the benifit of the doubt, but the recent actions by the Muslims has effectively removed any doubt I might have had as to any chances of getting along with Islam in it's current form.

How long has the US been trying to broker peace in the ME? Where has it gotten us? I say screw the ME and let's start to focus this country on something worthwhile.

 

[Gamer X]

There WAS outrage all over the world among buddhists and non buddhists,I remember
it well.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If I were a Muslim, I would leave the faith over the crap that is ALLOWED to go on or at the very least quit giving them money.

That would be like Catholics leaving Catholicism because the Church hid decades of molestation and the priests who did it.

So as I understand it, the only way a peaceful, law-abiding Muslims (which account for 99%+ of the 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide) can atone for the mistakes of extremists is by denoucing their faith?

Islam isn't some club you can just quit if you don't like how one black sheep is behaving; it is the number two religion ranked by size and has a history over a millenium old.

Double-yew tee eff :roll:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If I were a Muslim, I would leave the faith over the crap that is ALLOWED to go on or at the very least quit giving them money.

That would be like Catholics leaving Catholicism because the Church hid decades of molestation and the priests who did it.

So as I understand it, the only way a peaceful, law-abiding Muslims (which account for 99%+ of the 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide) can atone for the mistakes of extremists is by denoucing their faith?

Double-yew tee eff :roll:

I mentioned one way, and you try to act like it's the only way?? WTF yourself.

You can try and tear apart my argument all you like with your immature little cuts.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: MedicalEntropy
Buddhism wasn't always "peaceful". It had its "Crusaders". Research on the words "Sohei" and "Yamabushi". Of course it wasn't really against another religion, but anyways...

They weren't anything like the Crusaders, despite what Wikipedia says. The crusaders were the crusaders because they went on crusades to crush and convert people. Otherwise you can call any Christian warrior or knight a crusader, even beyond the crusade period.

 

[piasabird]

It is the right of the ruling country to wipe out the existence of the last culture. America did the same thing to the Indian Burial sites.

 

[MedicalEntropy]

Originally posted by: Looney
They weren't anything like the Crusaders, despite what Wikipedia says. The crusaders were the crusaders because they went on crusades to crush and convert people. Otherwise you can call any Christian warrior or knight a crusader, even beyond the crusade period.

Eh... wrong analogy. The Sohei were warrior monks. Emphasis on the word "monk". "Any Christian warrior or knight" aren't exactly part of the clergy. If I had to define the word "Crusader", it would be Templars or the Teutonic Knights. Or the Hospitallers. But yeah, they aren't literally Crusaders, but it was the best analogy I could find. And what I read.

 

[0roo0roo]

thats right. muslim outrage is all about double standards. its just really a cover for their intolerance and bigotry. muslims bomb mosques in places like iraq all the time. the silence over such acts is deafening. if a westerner even accidentally damages a mosque..oh noes!!! riots and rampage. its a load of bull, and this religion shows its true face through all this horror.

 

[raildogg]

What about the structures called the "Twin Towers" that were destroyed by Islamic extremists?

Why weren't the muslim mobs protesting those attacks? Were they scared of the Islamic extremists?

I know most muslims are moderates, but they are afraid of the extremists and therefore, they keep quiet. That is the main problem with Islam.

In christianity, the moderates keep the lid on the extremists. In hinduism, the moderates keep the lid on the extremists. In buddhism, the moderates keep a lid on the extremists. In Islam, this is not the case. The extremists seem to keep a lid on the moderates.

If we could somehow help the moderates get in control of the situation, the conflict with radical Islam would not be at the same level as it is today.

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
violence may be; however the issue becomes the intolerance of Islam or at leastthe way some choose to present it to the world.

Let's not forget that most religions (with the possible exception of Buddhism) actually have intolerance of other beliefs as a rather fundamental part of their faith.

The older religions (budhism, hinduism, judaishm, etc) either have a "let he believe in any god he chooses" attitude or at the very least don't tolerate active conversion or violent reactions. The newer religions, Christianity, Islam, etc are where all of these problems arise.


I'm not saying there are not jubs on every team, but the "letter of the Law" prefers peace and tolerence in older religions.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: raildogg
What about the structures called the "Twin Towers" that were destroyed by Islamic extremists?

Why weren't the muslim mobs protesting those attacks? Were they scared of the Islamic extremists?

Why weren't Christian mobs protesting? Why weren't Jewish mobs protesting? Why weren't xxxx mobs protesting?

Probably because they were holding vigils instead. Just a thought.

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: raildogg
What about the structures called the "Twin Towers" that were destroyed by Islamic extremists?

Why weren't the muslim mobs protesting those attacks? Were they scared of the Islamic extremists?

Why weren't Christian mobs protesting? Why weren't Jewish mobs protesting? Why weren't xxxx mobs protesting?

Probably because they were holding vigils instead. Just a thought.

Yep exactly. Most of the world chooses to deal with crisis one way while muslims take the extremist action as usual.

 

[Meuge]

Muslims are conspicuously absent in this thread.

 

[0roo0roo]

of course they are. they know the hipocrisy of their religion. look at whats being demanded by those upset over freakin cartoons. apologies apparently aren't enough. going by the same standard what should the restitution be for destroying priceless buddhist statues, an offense against all buddhists, and against human history. certainly far more than an apology thats for sure. but nothing... its just infidels stuff after all. only muslim outrage is valid. constant talk of double standards? well i guess they know of what they speak.

maybe we should stop calling it outrage. its just rage. an ideology that promotes rage.

 

[chcarnage]

Well what should muslims write in this thread? From the start the only question of this thread was "why don't you evil muslims not feel sorry enough to demonstrate against the crimes of an isolated regime?" Guess what, if we would have to apologize for every crime commited by so-called Christians our knees would be grazed too. And there also are many opportunities to protest for Christians. But no, let's take one single event (it's not news either because it happened few years ago) and get excited because they did't protest enough! Oh and let's get even more excited because no muslim wants to discuss the weakness of this argument with us! But that's not a problem because we now have a place to write how bad they are-I look forward to more pages of verbal masturbation...

There are some muslims in this forum with opinions I absolutely don't share but I must say that I don't really see the "added value" of this thread compared to the longer ones (in my opinion it has neither a good political argument nor the news factor). Look I absoluteny don't want to rule out the possibility that there exists a small amount of self-criticism in the islamic world compared with other parts of the world. But the destruction of the statues of Bamiyan looks like an inapplicable argument to me - There are other things one could criticize the religion or the nations where the majority of the people are part of this religion with 🙂

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
It outraged me too. But isn't violence absent in the Buddhist lexicon?

Ever heard of buddhist warrior monks? Every religion has its violence, believe you me. The Buddhists are just less idiotic than most.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: raildogg
What about the structures called the "Twin Towers" that were destroyed by Islamic extremists?

Why weren't the muslim mobs protesting those attacks? Were they scared of the Islamic extremists?

I know most muslims are moderates, but they are afraid of the extremists and therefore, they keep quiet. That is the main problem with Islam.

They are also afraid of people like you. Maybe you don't remember the violence directed at Muslims during that time but I sure as hell do. Yeah, you may only use words but they spread hate and fear which leads to violence. I have lived next to this mosque for the past 9 years and was only 3 blocks away when this happened. These are good people who are a part of the community in which I live. If they were my only exposure to Islam that I have I would definitely say they were a religion of peace.


Snohomish Man Pleads Guilty in Idriss Mosque Arson
May 23, 2002 -- After the September 11 attacks, a swell of ethnically-based attacks on Muslims grew around the nation. Seattleites remember well the attempted arson and shooting at Northgate's Idriss Mosque. Patrick Michael Cunningham of Snohomish came to the mosque on September 13, armed with a gun and a tank of gasoline. He doused two unoccupied cars in the parking lot with gas and attempted to set fire to them. When some of the worshippers inside came out and discovered him in the act, he fired his gun at them. Though nobody was hurt that day, many local residents came forward to watch over the neighborhood mosque and assure that no further such attacks would occur.

The case against Cunningham came to an end on May 9, when Cunningham pled guilty to one count of Attempted Obstruction of Free Exercise of Religion (his intention was to burn down the mosque) and one count of use of a firearm in relation to a violent crime. He could face 20 years to life in prison and fines totaling $500,000.

http://www.seattlepress.com/article-9673.html

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

what about non-muslims who were mistaken for one? like that sikh guy shot in arizona