The buddhist statues destroyed by radical muslims

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

Oh look, here he comes.

It is not bashing islam, you tolerant person you. I have never bashed Islam. I never bash religion, yet people like you and the NY Times bash christianity night and day. Hypocrits, much?

This bunch of muslims destroyed a buddhist statue, it doesn't mean all muslims feel that way. It just shows you that buddhists around the world were not destroying embassies. Even you will have noticed that.

There are sikh and hindu sites in Pakistan and they are not destroyed, what is your point?

If Christians acted this way, I'm sure the NY Times and people like you would get all fired up. Yup, bash the American middle class.

AmerDoux, yes, that is why I linked those two websites so people can read.

Of course it is not, noone is saying it is. I'm just comparing two events. Two events that were handled very differently by two groups of people. I guess buddhism isn't blended into politics as much as Islam is. That is the conclusion you would get if you only looked at the surface. I want to look beneath the surface.

Pakistan doing nothing to restore Sikh, Hindu sites in Pakistan

They should tear those temples down like the Hindus did the ancient mosque in India. Eye for an eye. As for the buddhist stuff blown up in Afghanistan, that was done by the Taliban in 2001, OLD news. Besides, those statues were built by ancient Afghans anyway, their progeny now saw fit to get rid of them. Big deal.

 

[judasmachine]

And Christians don't covet to remove something from the map?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

Oh look, here he comes.

It is not bashing islam, you tolerant person you. I have never bashed Islam. I never bash religion, yet people like you and the NY Times bash christianity night and day. Hypocrits, much?

This bunch of muslims destroyed a buddhist statue, it doesn't mean all muslims feel that way. It just shows you that buddhists around the world were not destroying embassies. Even you will have noticed that.

There are sikh and hindu sites in Pakistan and they are not destroyed, what is your point?

If Christians acted this way, I'm sure the NY Times and people like you would get all fired up. Yup, bash the American middle class.

AmerDoux, yes, that is why I linked those two websites so people can read.

Of course it is not, noone is saying it is. I'm just comparing two events. Two events that were handled very differently by two groups of people. I guess buddhism isn't blended into politics as much as Islam is. That is the conclusion you would get if you only looked at the surface. I want to look beneath the surface.

Pakistan doing nothing to restore Sikh, Hindu sites in Pakistan

They should tear those temples down like the Hindus did the ancient mosque in India. Eye for an eye. As for the buddhist stuff blown up in Afghanistan, that was done by the Taliban in 2001, OLD news. Besides, those statues were built by ancient Afghans anyway, their progeny now saw fit to get rid of them. Big deal.

I believe they did destroy thousands of temples and shrines when the Islamics invaded.

In fact there was a temple there before that mosque was built (the one that was destroyed).

I'm surprised that there are people defending the vile actions of the Taliban though. The Afghan people didn't see it fit to get rid of these sites, their maniacal, evil overlords did.

 

[ericlp]

I wonder...How many people post here and won't even question their own faith.

Christianity, Catholic, Lutheran, Muslims, etc...etc... Are all large organized religions that all have done horrible things in it's time. Look at Rome and Greece.

Look at christians today... They are pretty large number and they are still fighting science today. I am sure if some really wild anomaly took place and threatened their faith we would be in the same boat.

I believe it wouldn't take much in this country to fire up a few christain leaders to rally riots and killings in the street if something broke out. It's all the same... There is no difference between muslim or christain faith. Don't kid yourself this type of actions could happen right here...That is if the right type of situation came about.

 

[lyssword]

yep you shoud listen to aljazera network. Sure crapping on jews/christians/w/ever all day is fine but if its some cartoon in a non-islamic nation appears they must respond with violence. Hmm maybe the muslims should riot against gays, the internet, burn it down it has porn and stuff. Kill all non-muslims!! yeah!! I know not all muslims share the same views but it seems to appear a lot in the news..

 

[alphatarget1]

Welcome to 5 years ago. Yes, people were pretty pissed off about that. That was when Taliban was jailing Australian and American missionaries too I think.

 

[magomago]

I remember this back then. I was discussing it in the mosque in a group of maybe fifteen or so people. We all agreed it was absolutely wrong and should not have occured. Places like Iraq and Eygpt, both super super super majority Muslim populations REVEL in their history. The Eygptions proudly display what they have (Though ironically enough the Brits have more of Eygpt's stuff than Eygpt themselves) despite the fact it is obvious polytheism yet no one does anything. In fact, they are proud of their heritage and what their ancestors accomplished and revel in the same kinds of celebrations. In Iraq, history and heritage are something important and even Saddam poured tons of money into the preservation of history~ yet no one is destroying those. HUGE money was poured into restoration of the gardens of Babylon among hundreds of other projects. We did not destroy statues of Hammarabi despite the fact that he had his own religious system. Iran, another country with a super majority Muslim population, also takes pride in the power of the Persian Empire of yore. I don't see them shying away from their history at all or destroying their artifacats.

I would guarantee you that the majority of Muslims would be opposed to the destruction of those Buddhist statues. When we were "discussing" it, it wasn't even an issue. The situation was clear as day.

 

[Aimster]

This was under the Taliban

the Taliban weren't Muslim

they were village donkeys

 

[Tsunami982]

im not buddhist and i was offended when the statues were destroyed. i mean its was more a historical landmark than anything else, destroying something like that destroys part of the history of civilization. its insane... its almost as bad as if someone destroyed the pyramids (those were build on religious beliefs too).

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

Glad you mentioned that seeing as how the statues where bombed by some whacky radicals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borobudur

The attacks occured thanks to another friendly muslim group Ikhwanul Muslimin Indonesia.

Hows that for ironic, defending muslims and you dig yourself deeper in a ditch 🙂

 

[theeedude]

I remember there was widespread condemnation of Taliban throughout the world when this happened. So I don't understand the "where was the outrage" question? What would constitute an appropriate level of outrage to you? Should Buddhists have killed some Muslims to show it?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
And Christians don't covet to remove something from the map?

Are Christians coming out calling for the destruction of whatever that is? Are they rioting and burning embassies over a cartoon from a country the people rioting have never heard of?

 

[gimpsoft]

if you were in a large group you will all start commiting acts of violence

remenber when people are alone there rational.

think of like this when people are in football game and there team loses they start fighting lol same as soccer (specially in europe)

makes me laught all you guys who say they never do this i bet if u where in a large mass of people it only takes 1 person to start talking there propaganda.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: gimpsoft
if you were in a large group you will all start commiting acts of violence

remenber when people are alone there rational.

think of like this when people are in football game and there team loses they start fighting lol same as soccer (specially in europe)

makes me laught all you guys who say they never do this i bet if u where in a large mass of people it only takes 1 person to start talking there propaganda.

Nope, never happens in the West, the West is perfect don't you know?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: gimpsoft
if you were in a large group you will all start commiting acts of violence

remenber when people are alone there rational.

think of like this when people are in football game and there team loses they start fighting lol same as soccer (specially in europe)

makes me laught all you guys who say they never do this i bet if u where in a large mass of people it only takes 1 person to start talking there propaganda.

You are pretty weak minded if you just go and destroy a 2000 year old artifact like that just cause some bearded idiot tells you to.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

Glad you mentioned that seeing as how the statues where bombed by some whacky radicals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borobudur

The attacks occured thanks to another friendly muslim group Ikhwanul Muslimin Indonesia.

Hows that for ironic, defending muslims and you dig yourself deeper in a ditch 🙂

If you dig even deeper, you will find that:

1) The attack only caused minor damage to the temple, which is rarely discussed in depth by most sources.

...and more importantly...

2) "Suharto had jailed Al-Habysi for 12 years for the January 1985 bombing of the Borobudur Buddhist temple in Central Java, which was alleged to have been in retaliation for a massacre of scores of Muslims by the military at Tanjung Priok in North Jakarta a year earlier."

Last time I checked, this thread was about religious intolerance, not warfare between two parties. The bombing at the temple in 1985 bears more resemblance to an insurgent bombing in Iraq vs. the Taliban blowing up shrines just because they don't like Buddhists.

 

[gimpsoft]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: gimpsoft
if you were in a large group you will all start commiting acts of violence

remenber when people are alone there rational.

think of like this when people are in football game and there team loses they start fighting lol same as soccer (specially in europe)

makes me laught all you guys who say they never do this i bet if u where in a large mass of people it only takes 1 person to start talking there propaganda.

You are pretty weak minded if you just go and destroy a 2000 year old artifact like that just cause some bearded idiot tells you to.

diren't the government (afghanistan)destroy the artifacts ?
i was talking about the action of people demonstrating against the newspaper and attacking the embassies.

looks like u need to read this link before opening your mouth/typeing
http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

Glad you mentioned that seeing as how the statues where bombed by some whacky radicals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borobudur

The attacks occured thanks to another friendly muslim group Ikhwanul Muslimin Indonesia.

Hows that for ironic, defending muslims and you dig yourself deeper in a ditch 🙂

If you dig even deeper, you will find that:

1) The attack only caused minor damage to the temple, which is rarely discussed in depth by most sources.

...and more importantly...

2) "Suharto had jailed Al-Habysi for 12 years for the January 1985 bombing of the Borobudur Buddhist temple in Central Java, which was alleged to have been in retaliation for a massacre of scores of Muslims by the military at Tanjung Priok in North Jakarta a year earlier."

Last time I checked, this thread was about religious intolerance, not warfare between two parties. The bombing at the temple in 1985 bears more resemblance to an insurgent bombing in Iraq vs. the Taliban blowing up shrines just because they don't like Buddhists.

Right so the level of attacks make a difference right? Not my problem if they didn't get it right the first time it was still an attack, the same way the Taliban tried multiple times to get the Buddhist statues.

The strech between muslims and muslims at war with each other somehow involves a Buddhist temple which has no relation to the incident just proves the point. Muslims = intolerant except for their own religion. They just used the masacre as an excuse to attack a buddhist temple.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

No. It's a valid point. The Muslims destroy another religion's important symbols and get away with it and with an "insult" to theirs wish to go to war with the rest of the World. They may get their wish.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ericlp
I wonder...How many people post here and won't even question their own faith.

Christianity, Catholic, Lutheran, Muslims, etc...etc... Are all large organized religions that all have done horrible things in it's time. Look at Rome and Greece.

Look at christians today... They are pretty large number and they are still fighting science today. I am sure if some really wild anomaly took place and threatened their faith we would be in the same boat.

I believe it wouldn't take much in this country to fire up a few christain leaders to rally riots and killings in the street if something broke out. It's all the same... There is no difference between muslim or christain faith. Don't kid yourself this type of actions could happen right here...That is if the right type of situation came about.

Don't hope that it could happen here, because there ARENT any Christian leaders that could do this because that isn't how it works. You think Pat Robertson is going to cry jihad and millions of Methodists are going to pour out of churches with clubs?

If it could have happened, it would. Find another monster under the bed.


Oh one more thing, remember when the 10 Commandments were taken out of the Alabama courthouse? Notice that no one or nothing burned for that.

 

[dexvx]

This happened before Sept 11, 2001. The UN condemned it, but there really was nothing you can do about it short of going to war over it. But all in all, it shows how hypocritical fundies are.

 

[chcarnage]

The Bamiyan statues were destroyed by the Taliban. The Taliban regime was recognised by how many islamic nations? One? Yawn...

Anyway, for those interested: The Bamiyan Project Website of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich. They made the photogrammetric model of the statues.

 

[kage69]

What an odd comparison...and for the record, I remember quite a bit of outrage actually. It wasn't acted on within Afghanistan because, surprise surprise, the country is now largely Muslim. I guess the average Mustafa's sense of ecumenism can be somewhat restrained when the people in charge are gun-totting religious fundies who are only too happy to dish out lethal force over a pittance.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

No. It's a valid point. The Muslims destroy another religion's important symbols and get away with it and with an "insult" to theirs wish to go to war with the rest of the World. They may get their wish.

I agree. If you just look at this one incident by itself maybe you can shrug it off as one radical group, but when you look at the big picture, you start to see a pattern that portrays Islam as a religion that likes to bully others.

The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

EDIT: And all the while we seem to be inching closer and closer to WW3 because of the radical Islamists.

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: jpeyton
YARIBT (Yet Another Raildogg Islam Bashing Thread)

Oh dear.

It showed how intolerant radical Islam can be.

And we all know how the Taliban are Islam's spokespeople :roll:

Buddhist Temples Are Landmarks In The Most Populous Islamic Nation On Earth? Care to explain that away guys?

[John Stossel]Give me a break.[/John Stossel]

No. It's a valid point. The Muslims destroy another religion's important symbols and get away with it and with an "insult" to theirs wish to go to war with the rest of the World. They may get their wish.

I agree. If you just look at this one incident by itself maybe you can shrug it off as one radical group, but when you look at the big picture, you start to see a pattern that portrays Islam as a religion that likes to bully others.

The disturbing part is that so many of it's peaceful followers don't care, they just blame it on the "radical" element. How convienent.

EDIT: And all the while we seem to be inching closer and closer to WW3 because of the radical Islamists.

Exactly while most muslims have no desire to harm others there is something in their religion that dictates intolerance and hatred towards others.

The sum of the entire picture points to a totally different underlying current in the muslim religion, with muslims granting justification to extremism because of so and so incident.

For the first time today I saw a Muslim cleric on BBCs HARDtalk stating that while Islam is a religion of peace and he also goes on to say it goes beyond just a small minority of radicals and it is a problem in the religion.