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The brits are in for a rough ride

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KMFJD said:
I saw a post in regards to the proportional voting and how it would have turned out (I think it was from AJE)



Under proportional representation,

"Reform UK would have won 14 percent of seats in the House of Commons getting 14 percent of votes, a significant number – 91.
If the PR system were in place, the Conservatives would have won 156 seats, and the Labour Party would have won 221 seats (crucially, not an outright majority).
The Greens would have won 45 or 46 seats; the Liberal Democrats, 78 seats; Plaid Cymru, six or seven seats; and the SNP 13 seats.
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But, and I realise that I've already said this, our elections aren't for a national leader, they are foe regional leaders.
 
WelshBloke said:
If you start putting candidates from a party that didn't win in a constituency then that absolutely is going to make people's votes in that constituency irrelevant!
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It doesn't make constituency votes irrelevant, it actually ensures they aren't wasted. But I don't really care enough to 'argue' about it. The very fact it has to be explained with links to wikipedia I guess means it fails @fskimospy's "simplicty" criteria.

I was referring to this sort of thing (which is similar to how London assembly members are elected). I think there are various forms - you can either have a separate 'party' vote, or the votes for individual candidates are also counted as party votes for the proportional part.

en.wikipedia.org

Mixed-member proportional representation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
I think a First past the post preferential voting system is far better, in effect the "bellow the line voting" system in Australia. i don't like "Group voting tickets".

In Australia you don't have to number every candidate its the first 6.

it works well when you have several parties that attract similar voters they dont end up splitting the vote.
 
Good Lord, Brian May is now PM (according to yahoo news anyway). Good news for the badgers, I guess. Will Bohemian Rhapsody be the new National Anthem?

uk.yahoo.com

Jeremy Clarkson, Lily Allen and Brian May among stars reacting to Labour victory

Labour won a landslide victory in Thursday’s General Election.
uk.yahoo.com uk.yahoo.com

Queen guitarist May was among the famous faces congratulating Sir Keir on a “well-earned victory” after an audience with the King confirmed him as the new prime minister.
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Oooh, this bodes well for the Conservative Party

The Conservative party is no longer a 'viable entity', ex-Tory MP says​

Former Conservative MP Marcus Fysh has said the Conservative party is no longer a “viable entity” as Tory MPs are unwilling (or not inclined ideologically) to do what is needed to become electable again.

Fysh was Yeovil’s MP since 2015 but lost heavily to Adam Dance from the Liberal Democrats last week in the general election. He argues that the Conservatives need to occupy the centre-right in British politics to have broad electoral appeal, but says the current crop of MPs want to be on the centre-left.
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So at least this ex-MP has concluded that the problem for the Tories was that they were just too left-wing.
 
I'm apprehensive that we are just a bit behind in the electoral cycle compared to the US (and everywhere else). That is, that Starmer's coming term might turn out as Biden's administration is looking like being - a brief interval before the populist right return to power, madder than ever.

I really don't know, but the far-right seem to be close to gaining power in so many countries now.
 
pmv said:
I'm apprehensive that we are just a bit behind in the electoral cycle compared to the US (and everywhere else). That is, that Starmer's coming term might turn out as Biden's administration is looking like being - a brief interval before the populist right return to power, madder than ever.

I really don't know, but the far-right seem to be close to gaining power in so many countries now.
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The communists come and go but the fascists are always with us.
 
So when we say that the Brits are in for a rough time, what do we mean by "time" as in "frame" ... Is the definition open for being open-ended?

Holy smokes.
Only one solution. You need more Nigel Farage.

 
Apparently, according to a long-running study by academics called "the party members project", about half of Tory Party members want the party to merge with Reform.

The Tories are basically about 50% a far-right party already (which, I suppose, makes them about 49% less far-right than the Republicans)

As for a potential merger between the Conservatives and Reform, the membership is split down the middle, with 47% in favour and 48% against, with the remainder unsure. Perhaps predictably Leavers are more than twice as likely to support a merger than Remainers (59 vs 25). Support for the idea also increases as one moves up the age ranges, with support for a merger stronger among the over-50s and opposition stronger among the under-50s. Support for a merger is also stronger among ‘working class’ Tories (the C2DEs) than their ‘middle class’ (ABC1) counterparts, as well as among those who backed Truss over Sunak in 2022 (59 vs 27).
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www.theguardian.com

Almost half of Tory members want party to merge with Reform, poll reveals

Kemi Badenoch emerges as leadership favourite among grassroots Conservatives, with 31% support among those surveyed
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
sdifox said:
Americans are so bass ackward they even get the party colours wrong. Left wing has always been red and right wing blue.

Think about it, you call someone a pinko if they are left leaning.
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Who cares its all made up bullshit like the whole blue for boys pink for girls shit (which used to be flipped).

Could've made history easy for some kid if the Cold War had been fought against BluSSR!
 
darkswordsman17 said:
Who cares its all made up bullshit like the whole blue for boys pink for girls shit (which used to be flipped).

Could've made history easy for some kid if the Cold War had been fought against BluSSR!
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was a reply to Ken G6 :colbert:
 
Truss, Farage, Johnson, Brand...It is remarkable how the RNC is the destination-of-choice for all our unelectable delusional detritus.
What was Trump's quote? "They're not sending you their best". Got that right.

uk.yahoo.com

Why did some of the UK’s worst political rejects like Johnson and Truss spend the week parading about the RNC?

Mike Bedigan searches among the crowds of US political bigwigs and state delegates for the infamous names from the UK who have dropped by Wisconsin to pay their respects to Donald Trump
uk.yahoo.com uk.yahoo.com
 
Wow, Tory leadership contests are a bizarre form of reality TV/gameshow.

I don't know why they don't just go the whole hog and turn it into a competitor for "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here". Televise it and add rounds involving candidates being covered in spiders or eating kangaroo testicles or being buried alive or whatever it is they do on that show.

Now they've messed up their own (insanely drawn-out and over-complicated) election, as apparently a lot of "left" (by Tory standards) MPs voted 'tactically' for one of the right wing candidates, in order to try and eliminate the other right-wing one, but by mistake ended up eliminating their own guy (the misnamed Cleverly), leaving the contest between Jenrick and Badenoch, both right wingers.

www.theguardian.com

Tories shocked at Cleverly exit while Labour MP says Badenoch-Jenrick contest is a ‘gift’ – as it happened

Audible gasps as apparent frontrunner is eliminated while political rivals are gleeful
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

The whole absurdly long-drawn-out system seems extremely self-important for an opposition party who will be lucky if they are seriously in the running four years from now.
 
Victimhood complexes within victimhood complexes:

www.theguardian.com

Use of ‘culture wars’ phrase ‘a dog whistle to attack the right’ Badenoch tells GB News Tory leadership special – as it happened

Contender says ‘it is about being brave and not being scared that the Guardian is going to mock us’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

the guardian said:
When it was put to him that he was accusing Jenrick of being a “Tory boy”, Gove went on:
"So am I. It’s a stain that I bear. And given the strength of feeling against Tory boys expressed at the last general election, that’s a challenge."
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I worry that Starmer is our Biden - a one-term centrist, destined to be succeeded by a resurgent hard-right. If things don't improve a Badenoch-Farage electoral pact could come out on top at the next election.
 
pmv said:
I worry that Starmer is our Biden - a one-term centrist, destined to be succeeded by a resurgent hard-right. If things don't improve a Badenoch-Farage electoral pact could come out on top at the next election.
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The UK has hit Orwellian levels. Imagine living in a country that's more repressive than Russia and Belarus combined. A country were citizens are put in prison for social media post and were the govt. hides terrorist crimes (Southport ring any bells). I'd slit my throat with a rusty knife before I would ever live in a country such as the UK. btw I'm curious as to how the UK is going to feed itself when it screws all the farmers with their made up inheritance tax. With that said I'm looking forward to Trump taking retribution on the current Bolshevik UK govt.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858540974760190350
 
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