The Bradley effect (also called the Wilder effect)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

The term Bradley effect or Wilder effect refers to a phenomenon which has led to inaccurate voter opinion polls in some American political campaigns between a white candidate and a non-white candidate. Specifically, there have been instances in which statistically significant numbers of white voters tell pollsters in advance of an election that they are either genuinely undecided, or likely to vote for the non-white candidate, but those voters exhibit a different behavior when actually casting their ballots. White voters who said that they were undecided break in statistically large numbers toward the white candidate, and many of the white voters who said that they were likely to vote for the black candidate ultimately cast their ballot for the white candidate. This reluctance to give accurate polling answers has sometimes extended to post-election exit polls as well.

Researchers who have studied the issue theorize that some white voters give inaccurate responses to polling questions because of a fear that they might appear to others to be racially prejudiced. Some research has suggested that the race of the pollster conducting the interview may factor into that concern. At least one prominent researcher has suggested that with regard to pre-election polls, the discrepancy can be traced in part by the polls' failure to account for general conservative political leanings among late-deciding voters.

The original term Bradley effect derives its name from a 1982 campaign involving Tom Bradley, the long-time mayor of Los Angeles, California. Bradley, who was black, ran as the Democratic party's candidate for Governor of California against Republican candidate George Deukmejian, who was white. The polls leading into the day of the election consistently showed Bradley with a lead. However, Bradley narrowly lost the race. Post-election research indicated that a smaller percentage of white voters actually voted for Bradley than that which had said they planned to vote for him, and that voters who had been classified as "undecided" had gone to Deukmejian in statistically anomalous numbers.

One month prior to the election, Bill Roberts, Deukmejian's campaign manager at that time, had predicted this behavior. He told reporters that he expected that Deukmejian could advance approximately five percentage points from what his poll numbers indicated, due to white voters giving inaccurate polling responses in order to conceal a racial prejudice. Roberts's comments were disavowed by Deukmejian, and the controversy that surrounded them ultimately led to Roberts's resignation.



Some food for thought for the Obama campaign. And for P&N'ers.

 

SSSnail

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Because we don't want to publicly appear racist now do we? Behind the voting curtains, that's an entirely different story.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Because we don't want to publicly appear racist now do we? Behind the voting curtains, that's an entirely different story.
Exactly.
 

Vic

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Yeah, 'cause New Hampshire is a hotbed of deep-seated racism. :roll:

Or because racists are more likely to vote for a woman...

Can this racist troll thread get a lock?
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Because we don't want to publicly appear racist now do we? Behind the voting curtains, that's an entirely different story.
Exactly.

If this turns out to be true? That just be a black mark on NH.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, 'cause New Hampshire is a hotbed of deep-seated racism. :roll:

Or because racists are more likely to vote for a woman...

Can this racist troll thread get a lock?

This is a valid effect. Quoted from Wiki.

And no one is saying anyone is actually racist.
In fact if you took the time to read, it actually says people don't want to APPEAR racist and that screws up the polls.

And tell Colin Powell about it. From Wiki:

In 1995, when Colin Powell's name was floated as a possible 1996 presidential candidate, Powell reportedly spoke of being cautioned by publisher Earl G. Graves about the phenomenon described by the Bradley effect. With regard to opinion polls showing Powell leading a hypothetical race with then-incumbent Bill Clinton, Powell was quoted as saying, "Every time I see Earl Graves, he says, 'Look, man, don't let them hand you no crap. When [white voters] go in that booth, they ain't going to vote for you.'"[26][10
 

MadRat

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Obama is barely black. He was raised by a white mom and white grandparents. He's about as black as Bill Cosby.
 

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This is all true though. But the last few cycles it's been less true. Look at Harold Ford Jr. doing BETTER than the final polls last time out. Look at Barrack in iowa. How about that new governor i believe of Mass, Duval Patrick or something?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, 'cause New Hampshire is a hotbed of deep-seated racism. :roll:

Or because racists are more likely to vote for a woman...

Can this racist troll thread get a lock?

This is a valid effect. Quoted from Wiki.

And no one is saying anyone is actually racist.
In fact if you took the time to read, it actually says people don't want to APPEAR racist and that screws up the polls.

And wikipedia is now a valid source? Not.

Sorry, but it seems that you only start 2 kinds of threads: either a copy&paste troll or a rambling poorly thought-out projection of your own personal prejudices troll.

Polls are frequently wrong, with or without race. This wouldn't the first time and it won't be the last. We know you like Hillary, but your logic in your other thread was severely lacking.
More to the point, this is home turf for Hillary. Anything less than clear victory in NH is still a loss for her, as there are a lot of primaries and 8 more months to go until Denver.
 

Lemon law

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There may be a pile of Bradley type myths that operate across a wide spectrum of issues other than race or gender. In the end the voter often votes on emotions anyway.

But in the end its somewhat like the Physicist's concept of ether now discredited over a century ago.

You suspect something might exists, but if you can't measure it and can't describe its operation, is it worth talking about it as anything but a fud factor of uncertainty or the as
a fickle finger of fate? Its just something polls don't measure because polls assume honesty in those it polls.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, 'cause New Hampshire is a hotbed of deep-seated racism. :roll:

Or because racists are more likely to vote for a woman...

Can this racist troll thread get a lock?
I think the current election results prove that this may have in fact happen.

We went from Obama winning big yesterday to losing as of 10:30 PM...
 

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But the polls are anonymous. Plus how could someone tell whether you were voting for the white candidate because you thought they were 'the better candidate' or because you are racist. The behavior doesn't make any sense because there is no reason to lie on a poll.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Veramocor
But the polls are anonymous. Plus how could someone tell whether you were voting for the white candidate because you thought they were 'the better candidate' or because you are racist. The behavior doesn't make any sense because there is no reason to lie on a poll.
ok... you are a white person and you get a call from a black pollster so you tell them you are going to vote for the black person because it makes you feel less guilty about being a racist...
 

Slew Foot

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Didnt David Duke score really low on polls but then get like 40% of the vote? Granted that was the south.

 

Pabster

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STFU about racist bullshit.

Hillary won with women. By 10 points or more. That's where the votes came from.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Pabster
STFU about racist bullshit.

Hillary won with women. By 10 points or more. That's where the votes came from.

Well, getting those over 30, and those over 60, as well as the majority of the Democratic voters didnt hurt either.

Of those registered as Dems she lead Obama by 12%. Obamas lead over her with the independents wasn't enough to overcome that. It was like 9%.

 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Pabster
STFU about racist bullshit.

Hillary won with women. By 10 points or more. That's where the votes came from.

Well, getting those over 30, and those over 60, as well as the majority of the Democratic voters didnt hurt either.

Of those registered as Dems she lead Obama by 12%. Obamas lead over her with the independents wasn't enough to overcome that. It was like 9%.

Can't be. Didn't all the independents vote for Ron Paul?

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: techs
Can't be. Didn't all the independents vote for Ron Paul?

:laugh:

No...Seriously, they went for Obama. But it wasn't enough to overcome the female base.

Ron Paul went nowhere fast, as predicted.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: techs
Can't be. Didn't all the independents vote for Ron Paul?

:laugh:

No...Seriously, they went for Obama. But it wasn't enough to overcome the female base.

Ron Paul went nowhere fast, as predicted.

Basically a "Ron Paul Voter Bomb"

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Obama is barely black. He was raised by a white mom and white grandparents. He's about as black as Bill Cosby.

This sort of statement depresses me. So what does it take to "be black"?
 

techs

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: MadRat
Obama is barely black. He was raised by a white mom and white grandparents. He's about as black as Bill Cosby.

This sort of statement depresses me. So what does it take to "be black"?


Don't let anyone kid you. When it comes to politics Bill Cosby is black. At least to many, many voters.
 

chowderhead

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Originally posted by: Pabster
STFU about racist bullshit.

Hillary won with women. By 10 points or more. That's where the votes came from.

exactly, according to the exit polls, Obama won the men vote 40% to 29%. Clinton won women vote 46% to 34%. Since women were 57% of the voters, she won. To claim the Bradley effect, you would have to argue that white men (basically everyone in NH) did NOT lie about who they would vote for but white women did. Why would only women do that? The fact is, she won the women's vote and won this primary. In Iowa, she didn't win the women vote and she lost.
 

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Very interesting. This might not be a strong "racism" but more just what people are comfortable with and can relate to. It is easier to relate to an unknown that is similar to us in an obvious way then an unknown that is dissimilar to us. Or it could be racism :p
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: MadRat
Obama is barely black. He was raised by a white mom and white grandparents. He's about as black as Bill Cosby.

This sort of statement depresses me. So what does it take to "be black"?

In the USofA, "being black" implies being the direct descendant of former slaves. Which Obama is not.

IIRC, basketball star Hakeem Olajuwon was once asked what it was like to be an African-American. Being Nigerian, he answered that he wouldn't know.