The Bourne Identity...whoah

[Sid59]

yes. good movie.

 

[LAUST]

great movie up till the hollywood ending.. when that last guy got blasted it should have just ended there and stayed cool

that finding her in the shop at the end needed to go

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Keanu was pretty stiff in The Matrix. Knowledgeable in martial arts? Yes. Perfect form? Hardly. Go back and watch the first fight with Morpheus - it's pretty obvious he was trying too hard. And what particular fight scenes in TBI were bad?

The lobby of the bank, for example. They weren't cutting it so quickly to be stylish, they were doing so because if they didn't, you'd realize how much ass Damon was sucking at his choreography.

I hate movies that cut fight scenes that quickly. It's NEVER stylish. I want a long shot. I want to see multiple angles, but COHERANTLY.

And you're only able to say that he didn't have perfect form after how many viewings? And would you have noticed if it was cut similar to the fight scenes in BI?

What MoralPanic basically said. The first time I saw it it was obvious how little he actually knew. The movements were unnatural and stiff. Well trained? Hardly. There was no flow whatsoever.

Yes it would have been better in BI if the fight scenes were longer and more drawn out, but I think the intent was not to show that he sucked or whatever, but because he's supposed to be this $30 million dollar weapon. If you can't take out a couple of security guards and a Marine or two pretty fast that blows the point of him being this bad ass operative.

The fight scene in his apartment was a little more drawn out because the operative had relatively the same training as him, although I'm not sure he was from the same program as Bourne was. No doubt Damon's martial arts training was relatively lacking - I was watching ET or some Hollywood program near the premiere of that movie - he said he had to buy the French martial artist who he fought in the apartment scene a case or two of champaigne because he promised the guy everytime he fvcked up and hit him on accident, he'd buy him a bottle of it.

If you're telling me I had to have watched The Matrix 10 billion times to notice the flaws in Keanu's fighting skills, then how many hundreds of billions of times would I have had to have watched BI in order to notice the flaws in Damon's fighting skills, especially considering the quick cutting?

 

[wfbberzerker]

no no no no no no!
movie = suck
book = awesome

if you read the book, the movie was positively AWFUL.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

I thought it was a good movie...but I've never read the book. *adds "The Bourne Identity" to his reading list*

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Holy double post batman!

 

[Miramonti]

taxiing on the guys back down 6 or so flights of stairs, only to use him as a mattress pad landing at the bottom was pretty ingenious.

 

[TheShiz]

this movie was boring, and that is coming from someone who watched all 9 hours of Shoah in one sitting.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Keanu was pretty stiff in The Matrix. Knowledgeable in martial arts? Yes. Perfect form? Hardly. Go back and watch the first fight with Morpheus - it's pretty obvious he was trying too hard. And what particular fight scenes in TBI were bad?

The lobby of the bank, for example. They weren't cutting it so quickly to be stylish, they were doing so because if they didn't, you'd realize how much ass Damon was sucking at his choreography.

I hate movies that cut fight scenes that quickly. It's NEVER stylish. I want a long shot. I want to see multiple angles, but COHERANTLY.

And you're only able to say that he didn't have perfect form after how many viewings? And would you have noticed if it was cut similar to the fight scenes in BI?

What MoralPanic basically said. The first time I saw it it was obvious how little he actually knew. The movements were unnatural and stiff. Well trained? Hardly. There was no flow whatsoever.

Yes it would have been better in BI if the fight scenes were longer and more drawn out, but I think the intent was not to show that he sucked or whatever, but because he's supposed to be this $30 million dollar weapon. If you can't take out a couple of security guards and a Marine or two pretty fast that blows the point of him being this bad ass operative.

The fight scene in his apartment was a little more drawn out because the operative had relatively the same training as him, although I'm not sure he was from the same program as Bourne was. No doubt Damon's martial arts training was relatively lacking - I was watching ET or some Hollywood program near the premiere of that movie - he said he had to buy the French martial artist who he fought in the apartment scene a case or two of champaigne because he promised the guy everytime he fvcked up and hit him on accident, he'd buy him a bottle of it.

If you're telling me I had to have watched The Matrix 10 billion times to notice the flaws in Keanu's fighting skills, then how many hundreds of billions of times would I have had to have watched BI in order to notice the flaws in Damon's fighting skills, especially considering the quick cutting?

Um don't forget that in the movie Neo just learned kung-fu like 3 seconds before that fight scene...

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Keanu was pretty stiff in The Matrix. Knowledgeable in martial arts? Yes. Perfect form? Hardly. Go back and watch the first fight with Morpheus - it's pretty obvious he was trying too hard. And what particular fight scenes in TBI were bad?

The lobby of the bank, for example. They weren't cutting it so quickly to be stylish, they were doing so because if they didn't, you'd realize how much ass Damon was sucking at his choreography.

I hate movies that cut fight scenes that quickly. It's NEVER stylish. I want a long shot. I want to see multiple angles, but COHERANTLY.

And you're only able to say that he didn't have perfect form after how many viewings? And would you have noticed if it was cut similar to the fight scenes in BI?

What MoralPanic basically said. The first time I saw it it was obvious how little he actually knew. The movements were unnatural and stiff. Well trained? Hardly. There was no flow whatsoever.

Yes it would have been better in BI if the fight scenes were longer and more drawn out, but I think the intent was not to show that he sucked or whatever, but because he's supposed to be this $30 million dollar weapon. If you can't take out a couple of security guards and a Marine or two pretty fast that blows the point of him being this bad ass operative.

The fight scene in his apartment was a little more drawn out because the operative had relatively the same training as him, although I'm not sure he was from the same program as Bourne was. No doubt Damon's martial arts training was relatively lacking - I was watching ET or some Hollywood program near the premiere of that movie - he said he had to buy the French martial artist who he fought in the apartment scene a case or two of champaigne because he promised the guy everytime he fvcked up and hit him on accident, he'd buy him a bottle of it.

If you're telling me I had to have watched The Matrix 10 billion times to notice the flaws in Keanu's fighting skills, then how many hundreds of billions of times would I have had to have watched BI in order to notice the flaws in Damon's fighting skills, especially considering the quick cutting?

Um don't forget that in the movie Neo just learned kung-fu like 3 seconds before that fight scene...

I agree. I think he was purposely stiff in that scene to reflect his newfound knowledge of kung-fu/taekwondo/every martial art known to man, due to the fact that though he had the knowledge of the tactics, he had yet to develop his own STYLE of fighting.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Franka Potente r0x0rs!

stimme ich auch dazu

 

[Johnnie]

read the book years ago....Ludlum rocks!!!

 

That's a great movie. Many people knock him, but I really think Matt Damon added a lot to that movie. He fit his character's role very well.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Keanu was pretty stiff in The Matrix. Knowledgeable in martial arts? Yes. Perfect form? Hardly. Go back and watch the first fight with Morpheus - it's pretty obvious he was trying too hard. And what particular fight scenes in TBI were bad?

The lobby of the bank, for example. They weren't cutting it so quickly to be stylish, they were doing so because if they didn't, you'd realize how much ass Damon was sucking at his choreography.

I hate movies that cut fight scenes that quickly. It's NEVER stylish. I want a long shot. I want to see multiple angles, but COHERANTLY.

And you're only able to say that he didn't have perfect form after how many viewings? And would you have noticed if it was cut similar to the fight scenes in BI?

What MoralPanic basically said. The first time I saw it it was obvious how little he actually knew. The movements were unnatural and stiff. Well trained? Hardly. There was no flow whatsoever.

Yes it would have been better in BI if the fight scenes were longer and more drawn out, but I think the intent was not to show that he sucked or whatever, but because he's supposed to be this $30 million dollar weapon. If you can't take out a couple of security guards and a Marine or two pretty fast that blows the point of him being this bad ass operative.

The fight scene in his apartment was a little more drawn out because the operative had relatively the same training as him, although I'm not sure he was from the same program as Bourne was. No doubt Damon's martial arts training was relatively lacking - I was watching ET or some Hollywood program near the premiere of that movie - he said he had to buy the French martial artist who he fought in the apartment scene a case or two of champaigne because he promised the guy everytime he fvcked up and hit him on accident, he'd buy him a bottle of it.

If you're telling me I had to have watched The Matrix 10 billion times to notice the flaws in Keanu's fighting skills, then how many hundreds of billions of times would I have had to have watched BI in order to notice the flaws in Damon's fighting skills, especially considering the quick cutting?

Um don't forget that in the movie Neo just learned kung-fu like 3 seconds before that fight scene...

No he didn't... he was learning all sorts of martial arts for hours on end. And the way he was learning it was faster than normal if you didn't notice. Besides, it was suppose to show that he was an expert in it... he was MUCH better in Reloaded, but that's to be expected.

 

[silverpig]

Okay, fine, hours on end... Still a far cry away from the 20 year kung-fu master most of you expected of him. Didn't Morpheus even say that it will take time for him to assimilate all his knowledge and develop his own style?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Okay, fine, hours on end... Still a far cry away from the 20 year kung-fu master most of you expected of him. Didn't Morpheus even say that it will take time for him to assimilate all his knowledge and develop his own style?

When he learns his material, it's suppose to be like he's learned it for years. How else do you think they can just download how to fly a helicopter, then know how to fly it instantly? He was suppose to be an expert when he was fighting in the dojo, but due to lack of real life experience, he was stiff.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Books are great, movie sucks. I might feel differently if I hadn't read the whole bourne series but having read them the movie was an enormous disapointment.

 

[silverpig]

Flying a helicopter is purely technical, just as Neo's fighting appeared to be...

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Flying a helicopter is purely technical, just as Neo's fighting appeared to be...

Exactly. Neo may have had 20 years worth of experience in individual martial arts, but he WASN'T given the knowledge of how to integrate all of that into a cohesive skill set.

One of the weaknesses of martial arts styles is that they typically only teach you how to fight with an opponent in the same discipline - You'll learn blocks, counter-moves, etc, but those are only blocks for a specific kind of punch, a specific kind of kick, etc.

He needed to actually do the work of taking all of those knowledges and develop his usage of them. He was still learning to "Adapt, improvise", to paraphrase Morpheus.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
no no no no no no!
movie = suck
book = awesome

if you read the book, the movie was positively AWFUL.

I disagree the movie did a much better job then my imagination could ever do

The "Book is better then the movie" thing really needs to die a painful death and fade away forever, it's really kinda obvious a book is gonna be better then what is on film. You have to rate the move as being BASED on the book, separate script and everything, you can't use the book as a script, it doesn't work.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Movie was awesome, saw it in the theatres.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: silverpig
Flying a helicopter is purely technical, just as Neo's fighting appeared to be...

Exactly. Neo may have had 20 years worth of experience in individual martial arts, but he WASN'T given the knowledge of how to integrate all of that into a cohesive skill set.

One of the weaknesses of martial arts styles is that they typically only teach you how to fight with an opponent in the same discipline - You'll learn blocks, counter-moves, etc, but those are only blocks for a specific kind of punch, a specific kind of kick, etc.

He needed to actually do the work of taking all of those knowledges and develop his usage of them. He was still learning to "Adapt, improvise", to paraphrase Morpheus.

LOL you're making a lot of assumptions here. Even Morpheus fighting was really stiff.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: silverpig
Flying a helicopter is purely technical, just as Neo's fighting appeared to be...

Exactly. Neo may have had 20 years worth of experience in individual martial arts, but he WASN'T given the knowledge of how to integrate all of that into a cohesive skill set.

One of the weaknesses of martial arts styles is that they typically only teach you how to fight with an opponent in the same discipline - You'll learn blocks, counter-moves, etc, but those are only blocks for a specific kind of punch, a specific kind of kick, etc.

He needed to actually do the work of taking all of those knowledges and develop his usage of them. He was still learning to "Adapt, improvise", to paraphrase Morpheus.

LOL you're making a lot of assumptions here. Even Morpheus fighting was really stiff.

I'd jump in again but looks like MP has it covered BTW, the fight scene in the subway was extremely stiff as well. Don't give me $hit about he had yet to develop his own style in the dojo scene. He changed styles several times in that fight scene as well as Morpheus. Style or no style, that doesn't make up for stiffness/lack of real life training. The point is moot if you're going to use The Matrix for comparison to The Bourne Identity.