Or investigate the crime?
Please. I don't know how you guys would have the forethought to know that he was going to go off and kill more people. How often are murders isolated incidents? Almost exclusively. They thought domestic dispute that got out of hand. Before they knew any better a nutjob was shooting up class rooms.
destrekor
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Maybe it's hindsight, however, most likely it is not..
this kind of thing is my hopeful career track (intelligence/military), and having to make decisions based on an incident is going to be something I will have to do a lot.
With that in mind, keep the fact in your head that prior to the shooting, there were also bomb threats made. Even having the thought that the bomb threats are not connected to the murders, and it is an isolated incident, you still have to keep an open mind.
again, I am not looking at this situation as if he would have went on to kill more. I am merely stating, that two people are dead, and the gunman is noticeably absent. You cannot assume he is in the same building, although that is any policeman's first idea. You gotta think outside of the box and have the notion he may want to escape and already made the escape. And with that, you have no idea what he is going to do. Locking down the campus isn't necessarily to protect the students, but to keep the students in the campus and in the rooms they currently are in so they can attempt to find the gunman.
also, my school (The Ohio State University) sends emails to all the students following a crime, such as a mugging or rape (don't think a rape has happened this year, however I might be wrong). It most certainly is not a 'Babysitter U' as you so stated for the other poster. Personally, as much as the current President of the University is disliked, it is clear that her and her colleagues running the school care for the students. It's why our school is consistently climbing rankings every year and have an insanely brilliant class coming in. They had to turn away thousands and thousands of applicants, even ones with ACT scores close to the upper 20s (not sure of GPA), because the class coming in is so smart.
Everything little thing makes a public university good, and I personally am glad they do what they do. Not sure how they would have reacted to this situation, but that doesn't matter. Communication is strong, and the news of a school closing spreads like fire here (from snow/ice this winter), so I'd imagine they could get news to students immediately if necessary.
So just because my university was at least somewhat responsible about keeping us informed, they were "babysitter U?
You have got to be ****** kidding me. I was at North Carolina State University. ~30000 students there, and if anything, they don't particularly care about the students. I tell you what though, Penn State sounds like hell in comparison, and NCSU wasn't exactly in the nicest part of town. :roll:
Sorry, you're just wrong. You're yet another person apologizing for the police screwing up. There is no excuse for students not knowing there was a double homicide IN A DORM until ~2hrs after it occurred, especially when the perpetrator had not been identified and caught. You can't spin this any other way.
What evidence did they have? I'll tell you what they didn't have...the killer. Nope, didn't have the perpetrator in custody. Thats right, a double homicide not just near the campus, but right where students sleep at night, and they floundered around for a couple of hours before emailing the students.
And I don't see how you working as an EMT there gives you anymore qualification than a student as to what is right or wrong about supplying the students with relatively timely information about a double shooting in the dorms.
Sory, but you're wrong. What did you want them to do? Incite a goddamn panic when they (rightfully IMO) believed that it was an isolated incident? There was absolutely zero evidence to suggest that it was going to be anything but a double homicide.
Shootings happen all the time. There is no reason to lock down and go into panic mode when they do occur. There are hardly ever shootings here, and even when they happen, they dont lock down the university.
big schools are just terrible at spreading news.
at my school, there have been about 8 muggings at gunpoint in the past couple weeks, on campus. And their best advice was to "be careful"
Yet when theres a bunch of kids drinking green beer, police line the streets ready and waiting.
The administration could not do anything because they didnt have the tools in place to.
at my school, there have been about 8 muggings at gunpoint in the past couple weeks, on campus. And their best advice was to "be careful"
Yet when theres a bunch of kids drinking green beer, police line the streets ready and waiting.
The administration could not do anything because they didnt have the tools in place to.
I was under the impression that the main suspect after the double homocide was the girl's boyfriend (who attended another university). The girl's roommate had informed the police that the boyfriend had dropped her off and that he owned a gun. The school administration locked down the dorm and the police then pursued that lead and found the boyfriend driving to school. After that, the wild shooting occurred in the other part of campus. It wasn't until a day or two later before they were able to even verify that the dorm shooting was related to the class shooting.
It's a shame the administration and the police followed the wrong lead, but I can't fault them. I live in NYC and my college campus was non-existent. If we closed down every time a crime occurred, the school would be closed a quarter of the time.
When I read the OP's title, I thought this was going to be a petetion to a company in regards to the crappy phones they make. I had a Vtech 900mhz phone once, it was really staticy. 
My Personal opinion as a VT alumnus:
At the first report of the shooting someone told the cops that they saw the boyfriend leave. They caught up to the boyfriend and were interviewing him at 9:45. The cops WERE NOT sitting around like the media reports. The were following their leads, which is regular police procedure. How in the world would a Police Officer know that a two killings would have lead to 31 others? He would have killed people where ever he found them, in the Dorm (under lockdown), at food courts, ANYWHERE! The media does not seem to get this.
This guy wanted to go out in a bloody scene before killing himself. He was a loner, and had problems from birth. He brushed off attempts for people to be friendly to him and kept to himself. The kid had mental problems went to a mental institute but was released. The VA gun laws are way to weak allowing to many people to buy guns. I pass the National HQ of the NRA daily on my way to work....theres a reason why theres over 200 million firearms in the US! This IS NOT Minority Report where the future can be predicted and people are sent to prison before the can commit crimes.
If you have a gunman who does not care about dying and wants to inflict maximum casualities he will have his chance. The dorms will not be locked down forever, plus he could have killed the 200 people who lived in his dorm!
At the first report of the shooting someone told the cops that they saw the boyfriend leave. They caught up to the boyfriend and were interviewing him at 9:45. The cops WERE NOT sitting around like the media reports. The were following their leads, which is regular police procedure. How in the world would a Police Officer know that a two killings would have lead to 31 others? He would have killed people where ever he found them, in the Dorm (under lockdown), at food courts, ANYWHERE! The media does not seem to get this.
This guy wanted to go out in a bloody scene before killing himself. He was a loner, and had problems from birth. He brushed off attempts for people to be friendly to him and kept to himself. The kid had mental problems went to a mental institute but was released. The VA gun laws are way to weak allowing to many people to buy guns. I pass the National HQ of the NRA daily on my way to work....theres a reason why theres over 200 million firearms in the US! This IS NOT Minority Report where the future can be predicted and people are sent to prison before the can commit crimes.
If you have a gunman who does not care about dying and wants to inflict maximum casualities he will have his chance. The dorms will not be locked down forever, plus he could have killed the 200 people who lived in his dorm!
mugs
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Suppose when the inadequate body armor and humvee armor was in the news, people said "No offense to the people who are dying in Iraq, but the whole war in the news got old after about the first day" instead of pressuring the government and in some cases donating money to send adequate body armor to Iraq? Fortunately for you, most people are not like you. Sorry it bugs you that VT is in the news, but fortunately for two guys who could have their careers ruined, most people are not like you.
No, I am not wrong, sorry. Again with these questions...what did I want them to do? Inform the students that a double homicide had taken place in the dorms a little quicker than 2hrs after the 911 call. Maybe that is asking a bit much, but I dunno...:roll:
Incite a goddamn panic? Are you daft? Telling kids that there was a shooting in the dorms won't incite a panic. There wasn't a panic when the first email was sent out, was there? No, but since it took so long to inform the students, some still went to class long after the 911 call.
Yes shootings happen all the time, but not shootings in dorms. Honestly, they don't, I promise. I rarely ever hear of shootings taken place in dorms. Care to inform me of these numerous incidents?
And zero evidence to suggest it would be anything but a double homicide? No less evidence than there was to suggest that it would only be a double homicide. Either way, as a student, I expect to be informed asap when two of my fellow students are shot and killed in the dorms on my campus. It is as simple as that. But this horrible incident has taught schools a lesson, at least those that didn't already know it.
And yes, I am fully aware that no one is safe. This isn't about that. Hell, I used to think about how easily someone could stroll into my HS during class change or any other time and shoot up the place. I just think a little more communication is in order, thats all. And no, I am not blaming the police dept/etc for this shooting. That is a bit irrelevant now...
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