The biggest airliner in the world

[Aimster]

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So what do you all think? Does the U.S have some serious compeititon?

 

[conjur]

UPS just placed an order for several of those beasts. It has three decks inside for holding packages.

 

[Infohawk]

How much subsidies does Boeing and Airbus get respectively?

 

[jpeyton]

There was another article about Boeing posted here, about how they are going to try to use composites exclusively in a bid to outdo Airbus.

I think in the end, the airlines will decide who is the victor. Boeing will only have one new plane in the near future; the 7E7. Airbus will have the 350 and the 380. The 380 looks awefully attractive compared to the 747's aged look and design.

BTW, Boeing already has serious competition with Airbus. In fact, if the 7E7 doesn't work out, they will quickly find themselves in trouble because their only remaining money-maker (the 747) is going to get worked by the 380.

 

[daveshel]

Some assembly required. What do you suppose they did with the box it came in?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daveshel
Some assembly required. What do you suppose they did with the box it came in?

Bush is going to use it to house the homeless. :laugh:

 

[Centinel]

Keep in mind Boeing also makes a ton of money on government contract work......case in point being the Apache attack helicopter program.

...and ya, government subsidies of both Airbus and Boeing stink to high heaven.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Centinel
Keep in mind Boeing also makes a ton of money on government contract work......case in point being the Apache attack helicopter program.

...and ya, government subsidies of both Airbus and Boeing stink to high heaven.

Very high heaven.

Remember that WTO subsidies dispute? The EU and US recently announced that they'll start negotiating, since they both knew they would lose badly if the WTO had the chance to rule.



Anyway, that is indeed a mighty machine, boeing really has its work cut out. I suppose they'll be dong test flights this year, since deliveries start 2006?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: daveshel
Some assembly required. What do you suppose they did with the box it came in?

Bush is going to use it to house the homeless. :laugh:

no...he will burn it to keep them warm (while they are inside) :evil:

 

[Genx87]

I think in the end, the airlines will decide who is the victor. Boeing will only have one new plane in the near future; the 7E7. Airbus will have the 350 and the 380. The 380 looks awefully attractive compared to the 747's aged look and design.

BTW, Boeing already has serious competition with Airbus. In fact, if the 7E7 doesn't work out, they will quickly find themselves in trouble because their only remaining money-maker (the 747) is going to get worked by the 380.

It really depends on the route you will be running these babies on. Most trans-atlantic and pacific routes are using 767s which hold ~250 people. Boening is going with the 7E7 to push the envelope of speed over capacity. Instead of a 550 passenger plane they will put out a plane that does .98 mach and gets you across the ocean quicker. In todays market it is something that will probably flourish. But with the emergence of China and India as world economic players. You may start seeing the sweet spot of 250 passengers swell much higher. Then the A380 will become a popular design.

One issue with the A380 is its weight. Many airports do no have runways long enough and strong enough to handle a plane of this size with any kind of volume.

The 747 is mothballed in favor of the 777 which can if configured hold upto 450-500 people but only requires 2 engines vs 4.

I am honestly going to have to say I would be surprised if Boenings money maker was the 747. I would think it was something like the 767 or 737. 737 is the most popular aircraft around the world for medium ranged routes. Entire airlines are based on the 737 design.

I am a little disappointed with the A380. I was really expecting this gigantic aircraft. It looks like a 747 with the upper cabin extended.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I am a little disappointed with the A380. I was really expecting this gigantic aircraft. It looks like a 747 with the upper cabin extended.

One of the things I've seen written is that different airlines/routes will offer quite different versions of that plane. They were speculating that Emirates will offer something like 450-500 seats on its London/dubai flights, offering tons of space and perks, while a other airlines (as you mentioned India and China) would have them configured with about 700 seats, basicly a low cost people mover.

 

[raildogg]

how many total seats?

btw I hope the Boeing Dreamliner becomes a success

 

[ManSnake]

That thing is ugly...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I think in the end, the airlines will decide who is the victor. Boeing will only have one new plane in the near future; the 7E7. Airbus will have the 350 and the 380. The 380 looks awefully attractive compared to the 747's aged look and design.

BTW, Boeing already has serious competition with Airbus. In fact, if the 7E7 doesn't work out, they will quickly find themselves in trouble because their only remaining money-maker (the 747) is going to get worked by the 380.

It really depends on the route you will be running these babies on. Most trans-atlantic and pacific routes are using 767s which hold ~250 people. Boening is going with the 7E7 to push the envelope of speed over capacity. Instead of a 550 passenger plane they will put out a plane that does .98 mach and gets you across the ocean quicker. In todays market it is something that will probably flourish. But with the emergence of China and India as world economic players. You may start seeing the sweet spot of 250 passengers swell much higher. Then the A380 will become a popular design.

One issue with the A380 is its weight. Many airports do no have runways long enough and strong enough to handle a plane of this size with any kind of volume.

The 747 is mothballed in favor of the 777 which can if configured hold upto 450-500 people but only requires 2 engines vs 4.

I am honestly going to have to say I would be surprised if Boenings money maker was the 747. I would think it was something like the 767 or 737. 737 is the most popular aircraft around the world for medium ranged routes. Entire airlines are based on the 737 design.

I am a little disappointed with the A380. I was really expecting this gigantic aircraft. It looks like a 747 with the upper cabin extended.

I dont think the 7e7 is going to do mach .98. I think you are referring to now scrapped idea of the boeings sonic cruiser. 7e7 us about being fuel effecient.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I like the photo info: "Copyright by French Frogs AirSlides"

 

[MadRat]

I'm surpised it wasn't a canard or deltawing design when I first read about this plane ten years ago. The whole idea sounds like too little too late. When Boeing drops their giant flying wings on the market then nobody will want to fly the big flying tubes anymore.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: MadRat
I'm surpised it wasn't a canard or deltawing design when I first read about this plane ten years ago. The whole idea sounds like too little too late. When Boeing drops their giant flying wings on the market then nobody will want to fly the big flying tubes anymore.

That will be nice when they get there.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How much subsidies does Boeing and Airbus get respectively?

Airbus gets an absolute ton of subsidies, and Boeing is pissed about it. They want Airbus banned in the USA or something if i recall correctly. Airbus is serious competition for Boeing though.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How much subsidies does Boeing and Airbus get respectively?

Airbus gets an absolute ton of subsidies, and Boeing is pissed about it. They want Airbus banned in the USA or something if i recall correctly. Airbus is serious competition for Boeing though.

IT is time for airbus to drop the subsidies.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

Airbus argues that boeing receives indirect subsidies, since it is a large defence contractor. But i dont think boeing receives any subsidies directly from the fed. This was one one of the reasons japan and italy are involved with the 7E7, as their goverments will give boeing subsidies for doing development in their countries.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

Airbus argues that boeing receives indirect subsidies, since it is a large defence contractor. But i dont think boeing receives any subsidies directly from the fed. This was one one of the reasons japan and italy are involved with the 7E7, as their goverments will give boeing subsidies for doing development in their countries.

That seems like a pretty poor argument for Airbus, IMO, but I am not very well read on this subject.

I wonder how much in subsidies Airbus is getting.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

Airbus argues that boeing receives indirect subsidies, since it is a large defence contractor. But i dont think boeing receives any subsidies directly from the fed. This was one one of the reasons japan and italy are involved with the 7E7, as their goverments will give boeing subsidies for doing development in their countries.

That seems like a pretty poor argument for Airbus, IMO, but I am not very well read on this subject.

I wonder how much in subsidies Airbus is getting.

I read an article the other day that said airbus expects to get about a billion in aid to develope the a350 to compete with the 7E7.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

Airbus argues that boeing receives indirect subsidies, since it is a large defence contractor. But i dont think boeing receives any subsidies directly from the fed. This was one one of the reasons japan and italy are involved with the 7E7, as their goverments will give boeing subsidies for doing development in their countries.

There is a good reason why the US chose not to take its case to the WTO....

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well shouldn't Boeing drop the subsidies as well? Or does Airbus receive significantly more subsidies?

Airbus argues that boeing receives indirect subsidies, since it is a large defence contractor. But i dont think boeing receives any subsidies directly from the fed. This was one one of the reasons japan and italy are involved with the 7E7, as their goverments will give boeing subsidies for doing development in their countries.

There is a good reason why the US chose not to take its case to the WTO....

Because we lose, pretty much every time?