The Big Three U.S. auto makers reported declines in April sale

[halik]

linkie

File that under ORLY?
Somehow I just had that feeling that GM's "focus on trucks and SUVs" strategy wasn't gonna work all that well.

 

[spikespiegal]

I concluded long ago that a Hamster in a plastic ball has a better sense of direction than the marketing teams at domestic automakers.

I saw a new Ford Ranger tricked out extensively at a Home Depot the other day, and actually thought it was a nice looking vehicle. Then again I have no idea why the big three bother producing vehicles that get less than 30mpg anymore. Maybe they think buyers will get part time jobs to keep gas in them, I dunno.

 

[Genx87]

Color me surprised, people dont want to get 12 mpg on 3.15 gas?

 

[zendari]

The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

 

[homercles337]

Yep zentroll and gen are right, zet zem die! Stuid amerikuns! Zis is de FREE MARKET! Kill zem all zat object! Kill zem all zat want ze hand out! Unzess de hand out helps me!!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

Actually it's just the opposite. Socialist contries like Japan and Germany who train and subsidize autoworkers provide HC and retirement for thier workers are crushing the "free market".

GM and ford execs both beg for National HC and Pensions.

What's next the simple "knee jerk" blame da unions? The whole reason GM and Ford factories keep getting built in Canada instead of here is because of NAFTA and the fact that they have much lower health care costs borne by employers. It's not like they don't have unions up there.

Not only that it never dawns on you anti-American, anti-middle-class asswipes that Japan and Germany can maintain a healthy production base in their own country and crush American makers, despite higher wages.

Coopertion and team work is a beautiful thing.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Yep zentroll and gen are right, zet zem die! Stuid amerikuns! Zis is de FREE MARKET! Kill zem all zat object! Kill zem all zat want ze hand out! Unzess de hand out helps me!!

Thank you for agreeing with us.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

Actually it's just the opposite. Socialist contries like Japan and Germany who train and subsidize autoworkers provide HC and retirement for thier workers are crushing the "free market".

GM and ford execs both beg for National HC and Pensions.

What's next the simple "knee jerk" blame da unions? The whole reason GM and Ford factories keep getting built in Canada instead of here is because of NAFTA and the fact that they have much lower health care costs borne by employers. It's not like they don't have unions up there.

Not only that it never dawns on you anti-American, anti-middle-class asswipes that Japan and Germany can maintain a healthy production base in their own country and crush American makers, despite higher wages.

Coopertion and team work is a beautiful thing.

How exactly does a govt funded healthcare for foreign automakers affect my buying decision of a gas guzzling SUV?

Answer is "it doesnt".

And a lot of Japanese car makers have built plants right here in the USA and are profitable. Hmmm

 

[Zebo]

I like strawmans too.

I can't help it if you're too poor to drive an SUV but to answer your question obviously it's bad management not catering to your needs.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

Actually it's just the opposite. Socialist contries like Japan and Germany who train and subsidize autoworkers provide HC and retirement for thier workers are crushing the "free market".

GM and ford execs both beg for National HC and Pensions.

What's next the simple "knee jerk" blame da unions? The whole reason GM and Ford factories keep getting built in Canada instead of here is because of NAFTA and the fact that they have much lower health care costs borne by employers. It's not like they don't have unions up there.

Not only that it never dawns on you anti-American, anti-middle-class asswipes that Japan and Germany can maintain a healthy production base in their own country and crush American makers, despite higher wages.

Coopertion and team work is a beautiful thing.

Higher wages used to pay outrageous taxes to fund abused socialist programs. No thanks.

Japanese automakers still have factories in the US, Honda alone has 8 of them employing 17000 workers.

It's US automakers who continue to attempt to sell (in my opinion) an inferior product, it's US automakers who agreed in the first place to pay ridiculous compensation to simple manual labor, and now obviously have to deal with the grubbing unions.

Of course they want national HC; then the American public can pay for their incompetence, moreso than they do now.

 

[Zebo]

They have assembly plants in the US to escape tarriffs otherwise all would be built in Japan. Toy said they opened engine facility in canada because americans were too uneducated to run the machinery.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: zendari
t, it's US automakers who agreed in the first place to pay ridiculous compensation to simple manual labor, and now obviously have to deal with the grubbing unions.
.

LMAO So your "solution" involves American labor getting compensated at levels comparable to Mexicans or Chinese in order to "compete", which essentially negates the entire point of producing domestically in the first place. If you think USA Auto makers turn out garbage now wait until you start paying them a fraction of their foreign counter parts and the workers have ZERO stake to produce quality.

And if you think auto-workers are overpaid why arnt you going for a position? It's dangerous, sweaty, arduous work that's why, you really don't think is a great deal or you and your fellow union haters would be on it like flys on sh1t with your greedy mentality. There is no such thing as overpaid you get exactly what you fight for.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I like strawmans too.

I can't help it if you're too poor to drive an SUV but to answer your question obviously it's bad management not catering to your needs.

What is a strawman? You brought up the govt funded healthcare as an argument as to why GM and Ford are losing market share in an open market.

As for the bad management, yes it is, they arent catering to my needs, and thus when it comes time to buy a car or truck. I dont buy from them. That is how open markets work.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo
I like strawmans too.

I can't help it if you're too poor to drive an SUV but to answer your question obviously it's bad management not catering to your needs.

What is a strawman? You brought up the govt funded healthcare as an argument as to why GM and Ford are losing market share in an open market.

As for the bad management, yes it is, they arent catering to my needs, and thus when it comes time to buy a car or truck. I dont buy from them. That is how open markets work.

It's not an open market when you are competeting with socialist and communist countries. Your choice to buy from them tells me thier system has your support and I gaurantee you this will be rallying cry of American Business in washington as they lobby to implement similar economic systems in order to compete. You're not gonna like it. The way to support the American way is support businesses who are held under that standard.

What are your needs? I bet big three has something that fits them. They make more than SUV's. I'm sure of it because I don't even have an SUV but a FORD truck and Lincoln a luxury car. I hate SUVs too but it was no problem finding what I liked from the domestic selection.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo
I like strawmans too.

I can't help it if you're too poor to drive an SUV but to answer your question obviously it's bad management not catering to your needs.

What is a strawman? You brought up the govt funded healthcare as an argument as to why GM and Ford are losing market share in an open market.

As for the bad management, yes it is, they arent catering to my needs, and thus when it comes time to buy a car or truck. I dont buy from them. That is how open markets work.

It's not an open market when you are competeting with socialist and communist countries. Your choice to buy from them tells me thier system has your support and I gaurantee you this will be rallying cry of American Business in washington as they lobby to implement similar economic systems in order to compete. You're not gonna like it. The way to support the American way is support businesses who are held under that standard.

What are your needs? I bet big three has something that fits them. They make more than SUV's. I'm sure of it because I don't even have an SUV but a FORD truck and Lincoln a luxury car. I hate SUVs too but it was no problem finding what I liked from the domestic selection.

If they are found to be competiting illegally then they should lobby washington to slap some tarriffs on their competition. But I am guessing this fluff about heathcare costs has little to do with the fact demand for their products continues to plummet. That is a function of not having the right product for your market, not that your competition has govt funded healthcare.

And dont worry I am evaluating domestics in my purchases. I really like the Chrysler 300, nice looking car.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

GM's failed executive team is killing GM. But you can't fault the CEO - its against your religion!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

GM's failed executive team is killing GM. But you can't fault the CEO - its against your religion!

What did they fail at? Creating a product that the open market wants?

hmm

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

GM's failed executive team is killing GM. But you can't fault the CEO - its against your religion!

What did they fail at? Creating a product that the open market wants?

hmm

Exactly! They're really good at making dozens of rebadges that no one wants though.

 

[Zebo]

GM and Ford are both doing very well internationally (OPEL, HOLDEN, Landrover, Volvo etc) thier loses come from the US market. Primarly because of a retirement, HC and people who live here cutting thier own damn throat supporting someone elses child instead of thier own buying foriegn. Traitors as far as Im concerned. Although the wife talked me into an SLK for her.🙁

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Zebo
GM and Ford are both doing very well internationally (OPEL, HOLDEN, Landrover, Volvo etc) thier loses come from the US market. Primarly because of a retirement, HC and people who live here cutting thier own damn throat supporting someone elses child instead of thier own.

But that doesnt make any sense, what does any of the above have to do with lack of demand for their product domestically?

Are you trying to say the increased costs are driving them out of the market? If that is your argument if you could provide proof that would be appreciated. I am not doubting your claims dont have merit, but you seem to be beating around the bush on what you are trying to say.

Right now it sounds like your argument is "Ford has HC costs so people dont buy their cars". When I think a more plausible answer is they dont have a product people are interested in buying, it wouldnt matter if they have the govt paying for HC or not, people still wouldnt buy it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari
The free market is crushing Ford and GM, not suprisingly. I don't know why the government wants to sustain them.

GM's failed executive team is killing GM. But you can't fault the CEO - its against your religion!

Thier crazy pay realtive to workers creates resentment too making the line workers not all that enthusiatic. It seems the majory of people don't support Zendaris world view of "you know your place" and get upset and careless when they see disparity of income like that.

Toyota's big cheese has yet to be paid a million bucks.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo
GM and Ford are both doing very well internationally (OPEL, HOLDEN, Landrover, Volvo etc) thier loses come from the US market. Primarly because of a retirement, HC and people who live here cutting thier own damn throat supporting someone elses child instead of thier own.

But that doesnt make any sense, what does any of the above have to do with lack of demand for their product domestically?

Are you trying to say the increased costs are driving them out of the market? If that is your argument if you could provide proof that would be appreciated. I am not doubting your claims dont have merit, but you seem to be beating around the bush on what you are trying to say.

Right now it sounds like your argument is "Ford has HC costs so people dont buy their cars". When I think a more plausible answer is they dont have a product people are interested in buying, it wouldnt matter if they have the govt paying for HC or not, people still wouldnt buy it.

I'm not sure what so hard to understand. GM and Ford are unable to give the same auto as subsidized makers since they bear a much higher cost in HC and retirement and golden parchutes which does'nt get put into the car.

You can do that one of two ways. Lower prices returning those costs to consumer or better quality, putting the excees into the auto. GM and Ford can't do either.

 

[spikespiegal]

Not only that it never dawns on you anti-American, anti-middle-class asswipes that Japan and Germany can maintain a healthy production base in their own country

Neither of these countries glorify and pay un-educated factory workers more than college graduates either.

Sorry, but zero sympathy for American factory workers who dropped out of HS so they could get a job working at General Motors with Uncle Tony at entry level wages it takes a typical college grad 7 years to reach.

I noticed you also omitted the heavy discounts than American Auto Workers get (or used to get) for buying their own vehicles while the rest of us "asswipes" have to come up with down payments on our own. ...And you wonder why statistically the higher educated the individual the more likely we are to buy a foreign car.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Not only that it never dawns on you anti-American, anti-middle-class asswipes that Japan and Germany can maintain a healthy production base in their own country

Neither of these countries glorify and pay un-educated factory workers more than college graduates either.

Sorry, but zero sympathy for American factory workers who dropped out of HS so they could get a job working at General Motors with Uncle Tony at entry level wages it takes a typical college grad 7 years to reach.

I noticed you also omitted the heavy discounts than American Auto Workers get (or used to get) for buying their own vehicles while the rest of us "asswipes" have to come up with down payments on our own. ...And you wonder why statistically the higher educated the individual the more likely we are to buy a foreign car.

If you're so jealous why arnt you working on a line somewhere? I'll tell you why the work sucks that's why. I much prefer sitting on my ass talking to you, clean hands, etc. If you ask me we took the easy route. I doubt I was sober for a week of my charmed carefree university life. Walk a mile in thier shoes before judging.

I guess you're envious of my youngest brother is a plumbing contractor in southern Ca and nets $250-500K a year with only four-six employees, HS drop out and former druggie x-felon! Or a decent mortgage broker will easily make $150-250K a year, all with just some specific knowledge, no degree. Real Estate sales works well for many. Shoot, a decent painter in a production auto shop will make $125K. Sales managers, F/I guys, contractors, all can easily break $100K and even reach $2-300K. College isn't always a factor. Hard work, high levels of smartness, being a good businessman and just doing something/anything productive goes a long ways twards being sucessful. Good luck to ya but don't judge till you've been there.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Zebo
GM and Ford are both doing very well internationally (OPEL, HOLDEN, Landrover, Volvo etc) thier loses come from the US market. Primarly because of a retirement, HC and people who live here cutting thier own damn throat supporting someone elses child instead of thier own.

But that doesnt make any sense, what does any of the above have to do with lack of demand for their product domestically?

Are you trying to say the increased costs are driving them out of the market? If that is your argument if you could provide proof that would be appreciated. I am not doubting your claims dont have merit, but you seem to be beating around the bush on what you are trying to say.

Right now it sounds like your argument is "Ford has HC costs so people dont buy their cars". When I think a more plausible answer is they dont have a product people are interested in buying, it wouldnt matter if they have the govt paying for HC or not, people still wouldnt buy it.

Even if demand is down, GM is still the US leader in car sales and Ford sales more pickup trucks than anyone in the US. Marketshare is declining, however, with car sales rising rather rapidly throughout the US, makes me wonder how many units are being sold by the big 3. Goes to study about it.