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The Big Ten is just awful.

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Originally posted by: Sedition
I am not watching the game but I just saw an update during another that makes it seem like PSU is dominating right now. Score is pretty spread in the beginning of the fourth. Is PSU playing well or is Nois just sucking?
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PSU has pretty much played flawlessly on offense and defense so far in the second half. It just seems like they've got the perfect offensive/defense call for the opposing play. So I think it's a little of both, it looks like PSU's offensive line is looking together, but I think Illinois defense is kinda quitting, too. However, as I type this, Illinois is driving pretty easily. .. in fact.. TD Illinois. Perfect drive by the Illini
 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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Michigan hasn't been great in the last 2 years or so, but they are one huge dynasty teams that have been amazing for years. Routinely they are one of the best teams there is.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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That's true, I didn't watch the OSU/Illinois game so I did forget about that one. I didn't really give it much though as Illinois is just terrible this year - kinda a bummer, I was hoping they'd be good. As far as much, I just mean that in the history of the Big Ten, Mich is a good team. Not really in the Rich Rod era, but as far as "good" Big Ten teams goes, Mich is usually up there. Hell, how many Big Ten titles have OSU/Mich shared? I do know that MSU was favored, but come on, MSU is pretty bad, Mich should have been able to pull that out.. in theory. All of the rankings this year are fairly absurd.. it's been a pretty good year for upsets already and it's early. All I've been saying in this entire thread, is that in NCAAF, the Big Ten is NOT one of the better of the Big 6 conferences. I don't see how you can honestly argue that. Again, I never said that NO Big Team has EVER had a good offensive/defense series. I'm just saying that the overall play of the Big Ten teams is lackluster, and that the conference is not competitive with the other Big 5 conferences.
 
Originally posted by: Sedition
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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Michigan hasn't been great in the last 2 years or so, but they are one huge dynasty teams that have been amazing for years. Routinely they are one of the best teams there is.
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Like you really need to fill me in there :roll:

Past teams dont win games, current ones do. Was MSU just supposed to hand UM a win at home because UM had more historical prestige?

 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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That's true, I didn't watch the OSU/Illinois game so I did forget about that one. I didn't really give it much though as Illinois is just terrible this year - kinda a bummer, I was hoping they'd be good. As far as much, I just mean that in the history of the Big Ten, Mich is a good team. Not really in the Rich Rod era, but as far as "good" Big Ten teams goes, Mich is usually up there. Hell, how many Big Ten titles have OSU/Mich shared? I do know that MSU was favored, but come on, MSU is pretty bad, Mich should have been able to pull that out.. in theory. All of the rankings this year are fairly absurd.. it's been a pretty good year for upsets already and it's early. All I've been saying in this entire thread, is that in NCAAF, the Big Ten is NOT one of the better of the Big 6 conferences. I don't see how you can honestly argue that. Again, I never said that NO Big Team has EVER had a good offensive/defense series. I'm just saying that the overall play of the Big Ten teams is lackluster, and that the conference is not competitive with the other Big 5 conferences.
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Too early to say really, conferences go up and down. Check out the Big Tens non conference record this year, not bad at all.

MSU/UM was a bad example, there was a lot of that rivalry game nastiness going on, lots of hurried passes, hard hits causing a lot of recievers to drop passes, which is why I dont think they were "bad" its just thats how those "nasty" rivalries are.

 
washington just got screwed on a replay. no way there was enough evidence to overturn that TD and they did anyway.
 
yeah refs are awful in the ND Washington game, but at least they gave Washington another 4 downs to try and score.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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That's true, I didn't watch the OSU/Illinois game so I did forget about that one. I didn't really give it much though as Illinois is just terrible this year - kinda a bummer, I was hoping they'd be good. As far as much, I just mean that in the history of the Big Ten, Mich is a good team. Not really in the Rich Rod era, but as far as "good" Big Ten teams goes, Mich is usually up there. Hell, how many Big Ten titles have OSU/Mich shared? I do know that MSU was favored, but come on, MSU is pretty bad, Mich should have been able to pull that out.. in theory. All of the rankings this year are fairly absurd.. it's been a pretty good year for upsets already and it's early. All I've been saying in this entire thread, is that in NCAAF, the Big Ten is NOT one of the better of the Big 6 conferences. I don't see how you can honestly argue that. Again, I never said that NO Big Team has EVER had a good offensive/defense series. I'm just saying that the overall play of the Big Ten teams is lackluster, and that the conference is not competitive with the other Big 5 conferences.
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Too early to say really, conferences go up and down. Check out the Big Tens non conference record this year, not bad at all.
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Who did the Big Ten really play out of conference? Penn State beat Syracuse, Akron, Temple.. I can't say that really says much. OSU almost lost to Navy, lost to USC (tho USC didn't deserve that win, either), and then OSU killed Toledo (a very iffy team). Iowa barebly beat UNI, and Arkansas State, they did have a nice win against Iowa State, though. Mich killed the two garbage teams they played, and squeaked a win over ND. I could go on, but I imagine you get the idea. Sure, the Big Ten non-conference record is great.. over absolutely meaningless teams. What's the only good out of conference win the Big Ten has.. Mich over now unranked ND? It's not like the Big Ten is beating SEC/ACC/Pac-10/Big 12 teams.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: jjsole
#4 LSU is going to go down too. :thumbsup:

(might have spoke to early tho...)
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you totally jinxed it, you a-hole.
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Good game. Those two excessive celebration penalties were just awful. I think those rules and the enforcement, are a disgrace.
 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Good game. Those two excessive celebration penalties were just awful. I think those rules and the enforcement, are a disgrace.
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yeah that was ridiculous, horrible calls both ways but it only came back to bite UGA in the ass
 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
...Sure, the Big Ten non-conference record is great.. over absolutely meaningless teams. What's the only good out of conference win the Big Ten has.. Mich over now unranked ND? It's not like the Big Ten is beating SEC/ACC/Pac-10/Big 12 teams.
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Now take it and compare it to the non-conf schedules of SEC and Big 12. How many losses, or "almost lost" games do you see there as well? To much worse teams than Navy or Central Mich. Hell at least CMU, Navy and Syracuse are D-1A
 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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That's true, I didn't watch the OSU/Illinois game so I did forget about that one. I didn't really give it much though as Illinois is just terrible this year - kinda a bummer, I was hoping they'd be good. As far as much, I just mean that in the history of the Big Ten, Mich is a good team. Not really in the Rich Rod era, but as far as "good" Big Ten teams goes, Mich is usually up there. Hell, how many Big Ten titles have OSU/Mich shared? I do know that MSU was favored, but come on, MSU is pretty bad, Mich should have been able to pull that out.. in theory. All of the rankings this year are fairly absurd.. it's been a pretty good year for upsets already and it's early. All I've been saying in this entire thread, is that in NCAAF, the Big Ten is NOT one of the better of the Big 6 conferences. I don't see how you can honestly argue that. Again, I never said that NO Big Team has EVER had a good offensive/defense series. I'm just saying that the overall play of the Big Ten teams is lackluster, and that the conference is not competitive with the other Big 5 conferences.
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Too early to say really, conferences go up and down. Check out the Big Tens non conference record this year, not bad at all.
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Who did the Big Ten really play out of conference? Penn State beat Syracuse, Akron, Temple.. I can't say that really says much. OSU almost lost to Navy, lost to USC (tho USC didn't deserve that win, either), and then OSU killed Toledo (a very iffy team). Iowa barebly beat UNI, and Arkansas State, they did have a nice win against Iowa State, though. Mich killed the two garbage teams they played, and squeaked a win over ND. I could go on, but I imagine you get the idea. Sure, the Big Ten non-conference record is great.. over absolutely meaningless teams. What's the only good out of conference win the Big Ten has.. Mich over now unranked ND? It's not like the Big Ten is beating SEC/ACC/Pac-10/Big 12 teams.
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UNI is actually a very good football team!
 
Originally posted by: ChanHo78
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
At this point, every game played between Big Ten teams has been a toss up. What I'm looking for is for one of those "better" Big Ten teams (OSU/Mich/PSU) to actually man up and play to the level of their expectation.
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uhh, like OSU's near perfect 38-0 game against Illinois?

And why would you think Mich is one of the "better" Big Ten teams? they were 3-9 last year. They got ranked because they beat an over hyped ND and got some national attention.

And you do know they were the underdog against MSU right? the "better" team actually won.
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That's true, I didn't watch the OSU/Illinois game so I did forget about that one. I didn't really give it much though as Illinois is just terrible this year - kinda a bummer, I was hoping they'd be good. As far as much, I just mean that in the history of the Big Ten, Mich is a good team. Not really in the Rich Rod era, but as far as "good" Big Ten teams goes, Mich is usually up there. Hell, how many Big Ten titles have OSU/Mich shared? I do know that MSU was favored, but come on, MSU is pretty bad, Mich should have been able to pull that out.. in theory. All of the rankings this year are fairly absurd.. it's been a pretty good year for upsets already and it's early. All I've been saying in this entire thread, is that in NCAAF, the Big Ten is NOT one of the better of the Big 6 conferences. I don't see how you can honestly argue that. Again, I never said that NO Big Team has EVER had a good offensive/defense series. I'm just saying that the overall play of the Big Ten teams is lackluster, and that the conference is not competitive with the other Big 5 conferences.
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Too early to say really, conferences go up and down. Check out the Big Tens non conference record this year, not bad at all.
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Who did the Big Ten really play out of conference? Penn State beat Syracuse, Akron, Temple.. I can't say that really says much. OSU almost lost to Navy, lost to USC (tho USC didn't deserve that win, either), and then OSU killed Toledo (a very iffy team). Iowa barebly beat UNI, and Arkansas State, they did have a nice win against Iowa State, though. Mich killed the two garbage teams they played, and squeaked a win over ND. I could go on, but I imagine you get the idea. Sure, the Big Ten non-conference record is great.. over absolutely meaningless teams. What's the only good out of conference win the Big Ten has.. Mich over now unranked ND? It's not like the Big Ten is beating SEC/ACC/Pac-10/Big 12 teams.
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UNI is actually a very good football team!
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Yes, I realize that in the FCS they're a good team. But that still puts them well below NCAA D1A football. It still shouldn't have been a game.

Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
...Sure, the Big Ten non-conference record is great.. over absolutely meaningless teams. What's the only good out of conference win the Big Ten has.. Mich over now unranked ND? It's not like the Big Ten is beating SEC/ACC/Pac-10/Big 12 teams.
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Now take it and compare it to the non-conf schedules of SEC and Big 12. How many losses, or "almost lost" games do you see there as well? To much worse teams than Navy or Central Mich. Hell at least CMU, Navy and Syracuse are D-1A
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Oh I don't disagree that the other conferences don't also play through away games. I'm just saying you can't say that the Big Ten is good because of their out of conference schedule. The only real way to compare the conferences comes down to Bowl Season.. and the Big Ten has not been performing very well then.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: jjsole
#4 LSU is going to go down too. :thumbsup:

(might have spoke to early tho...)
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you totally jinxed it, you a-hole.
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don't be mad just because we skull-fucked you assholes.

your team sucks, your conference sucks, you suck.

 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Train
You'r analysis is flawed. The only "bad" play today was MSU's obscene attraction to getting penalties called on themselves. That and UM's backup quarterback is retarted. Other than that it was decent football on both sides.
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That was the only bad play? How about the 3-4 ducks that Tate through into double/triple coverage that, somehow, ended up not being picks? Those were absolutely TERRIBLE decisions. Or what about how much blown coverage and bad tackling MSU had in the second half. Those are fundamentals that were just bad.

Originally posted by: Train
I'm watching LSU-Goergia now and LSU looks worse than either of the michigan teams did, and yet they are ranked #4?
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I'm not watching that game, so I can't comment. But I'm not saying that any ranked team must play a perfect game, but I'd like to see a favored team (in the big ten) played a solid controlling ball game - that just hasn't happened this year.
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I started watching Michigan v. Michigan state a bit into the 2nd quarter, and it seems to me the only reason Michigan lost is because they decided to run the ball for the first 3 quarters and just fail. I mean absolute failure with punt after punt, but they continue to do so. Then they finally allow tate to drive like he's capable of and we get 2 touchdowns in <4 minutes. I think tate made a bunch of those mistakes because we were just desperate to get down the field as quickly as possible. He is very entertaining to watch with those long running passes while getting chased.

Also, not only was MSU's tackling bad, but Michigan's tackling for much of the 2nd and 3rd seemed really weak.

btw I speak as a person who only watches football here and there.
 
Originally posted by: fustercluck
Washington is like the most surprising team of all time this year. Even if they lose in OT to ND.
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was that last hit a personal foul? didn't see the replay but looked like the defender led with his helmet on the defenseless receiver
 
Originally posted by: SpanishFry
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: jjsole
#4 LSU is going to go down too. :thumbsup:

(might have spoke to early tho...)
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you totally jinxed it, you a-hole.
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don't be mad just because we skull-fucked you assholes.

your team sucks, your conference sucks, you suck.
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You must have tiny dick or something to come out of nowhere with the need to share some angst like that.

 
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