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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
a bit long but fascinating read
a bit long but fascinating read
Literally everybody in that story (even the "victims") denies it happened, it's likely impossible with current technology to do what was described, and there's no evidence that it did happen or anyone one record claiming it did.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
a bit long but fascinating read
Two of Elemental’s biggest early clients were the Mormon church, which used the technology to beam sermons to congregations around the world, and the adult film industry, which did not.
Gubbermint intelligence agencies won't let 'em say. Even Supermicro isn't allowed to admit it.Literally everybody in that story (even the "victims") denies it happened, it's likely impossible with current technology to do what was described, and there's no evidence that it did happen or anyone one record claiming it did.
Seriously if they can make a "tiny microchip, not much bigger than a grain of rice" that can do what was described then they really dont need to steal your intellectual property, they are about a decade ahead.One of Trump's sticking points is that China needs to stop stealing our intellectual property. Glad to have a president that has some backbone and is standing up to those that are harming us vs. kicking the can down the road.
Im not surprised. Ive been saying for years we need to stop buying everything from china but there arnt enough people that think this way for it to happen obviously or it would have by now. Basically we are fucked.
You should work on military hardware. They decided that instead of having custom made computers that nobody would be able to hack due their proprietary nature, it's too expensive. Well, that started the whole Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) push, to get all contractors to use as much COTS as possible in their designs. Well, due to things like the above and embedded malware in chips, there's this insane process now to get your equipment IA certified. You send them the hardware they run all kinds of classified testing software on the hardware to see if they find funny things going on. OK now you've got you equipment certified. They are absolutely freaked out about networks, even internal on a vessel (in my experience). Oh and if you find a bug in your firmware/software and need to change it, guess what, you have to go through the whole IA certification process again. This of course causes updates to take forever. Our military would not be in this position if they had not decided to go COTS. I don't think they are saving any money. Oh, guess where most of this is manufactured now.Im not surprised. Ive been saying for years we need to stop buying everything from china but there arnt enough people that think this way for it to happen obviously or it would have by now. Basically we are fucked.
Seriously if they can make a "tiny microchip, not much bigger than a grain of rice" that can do what was described then they really dont need to steal your intellectual property, they are about a decade ahead.
One of Trump's sticking points is that China needs to stop stealing our intellectual property. Glad to have a president that has some backbone and is standing up to those that are harming us vs. kicking the can down the road.
I just see a page full of Apple products.
Cry me a fucking river while the tiniest of violins plays. Americans are reaping what they sowed thanks to profit only matters, greed is good corporatism and cheaper is better mentality sold to the rest of us as democracy through free markets, now you all are discovering that China had ulterior motives all along and plays by a different rule book,
they rope-a-doped your dumbasses by letting American corporations believe they found a way out of overpriced American labor along with an escape of all those pesky rules, regulations, and taxes domestic manufacturing would require.
Instead they played along as American know how was transferred to their country and its industrial as well as consumer economy was built up thanks to American blind greed believing the Chinese were going to be their perpetual serfs because in their minds they would be too dumb to actually understand the high tech they were putting together.
Too bad we had to wait for Trump to actually start to do something, unfortunately all he is doing is closing the barn door long after the horse ran off, as the old saying goes a day late and a dollar short.
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One country in particular has an advantage executing this kind of attack: China, which by some estimates makes 75 percent of the world’s mobile phones and 90 percent of its PCs. Still, to actually accomplish a seeding attack would mean developing a deep understanding of a product’s design, manipulating components at the factory, and ensuring that the doctored devices made it through the global logistics chain to the desired location—a feat akin to throwing a stick in the Yangtze River upstream from Shanghai and ensuring that it washes ashore in Seattle. “Having a well-done, nation-state-level hardware implant surface would be like witnessing a unicorn jumping over a rainbow,” says Joe Grand, a hardware hacker and the founder of Grand Idea Studio Inc. “Hardware is just so far off the radar, it’s almost treated like black magic.”
But that’s just what U.S. investigators found: The chips had been inserted during the manufacturing process, two officials say, by operatives from a unit of the People’s Liberation Army. In Supermicro, China’s spies appear to have found a perfect conduit for what U.S. officials now describe as the most significant supply chain attack known to have been carried out against American companies."
I'm no hardware guru, but the chip itself doesn't need to have a ton of processing power or anything. It's basically the equivalent of hardwiring a few pins with solder, or a bypass that puts the CPU in Dev mode/engineering mode to allow remote hacks to disable basic protections for code execution.
Still, based on the diagrams, it doesn't seem like the Chinese hid these very well. I thought they'd hide it alongside resistors underneath another chip package, or at least some place it would be obscured by a heatsink or something.
I've read, forgot where, the newer chip are small enough io be embedded between layers of the motherboardI'm no hardware guru, but the chip itself doesn't need to have a ton of processing power or anything. It's basically the equivalent of hardwiring a few pins with solder, or a bypass that puts the CPU in Dev mode/engineering mode to allow remote hacks to disable basic protections for code execution.
Still, based on the diagrams, it doesn't seem like the Chinese hid these very well. I thought they'd hide it alongside resistors underneath another chip package, or at least some place it would be obscured by a heatsink or something.
Apparently the new ones are on the order of dust sized. They just dust them with a crop sprayer and all your PCs are belong to them!I've read, forgot where, the newer chip are small enough io be embedded between layers of the motherboard
Hopefully more than the last three presidents.He is all talk. What is he going to personally do about it?