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The Bible Series Bible-based movies - thoughts?

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Even though Jesus made a new covenant with his followers absolving them of following the old covenant, it wasn't long after Jesus was dead before the apostles started picking and choosing which parts of the old covenant they would still like to hold on to.

These were the same guys with rather questionable records while Jesus was alive, keep in mind.
 
Charles Kozierok said:
Entirely possible. Also entirely possible that that had nothing to do with it. You simply don't know, but you've decided that you do anyway. Which is pretty consistent with how you approach other topics, so I guess it's not a surprise.
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True, but it isn't a reach to think this especially seeing how some are indeed taking a "fresh look" into the Bible's view of homosexuality to determine if it even is a sin, let alone included in the actual Sodom and Gomorrah account.

The point of this series is to draw people back to the Bible. Well, do you think people are going to be drawn back to a book like the Bible if they portray "men who lay with men" being condemned to death by God? Heck, it was even mentioned in this thread that a poster didn't like the "homphobic" part.

This not just possible, put probable and even likely.

Which, again, you don't know if they did or not. Yet you're still judging these people as if you did. WWJD?
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Jesus would call a spade a spade. He clearly critisized, even publicly, false teachings.


I've tried repeatedly to engage you on this issue, with specific bible quotes and references, and I just see you ignoring pretty much all of it.

You seem more interested in defending your decision to castigate this show's developers as "politically correct" than you are in "the truth".
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You said you didn't want to discuss the meaning the Genesis 19 and neither do I, and I don't disgree, and haven't in this thread, with what you posted concerning why the city was destroyed - so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
randomrogue said:
I don't understand this type of thinking. Are you suggesting that the only way I can understand Henry VIII or Hitler is to see a "snuff" film? What the fuck?! I don't need to see someone put on the rack or Catherine wheel to understand that they died a horrible death.

It's disgusting and doesn't give me any more insight into the life of Jesus.

When you go to Austwitz then do not need to recreate the horror for you to have your eyes opened.

Honestly, if you can watch that lashing scene and not question the sanity of the producer than all power of you but to me it was a snuff film and some kind of torture porn that Mel Gibson needed to masturbate to.
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The film was not about the life of Jesus.

Your frail sensibilities are not my problem. You're also putting words in my mouth. You're analogies are also bad.

Did they show you this in Poland? NOT SAFE TO NOT SEE
 
I'd agree with the notion that it should try to stick closer to the bible, especially if its intention is to offer the bible in a different format in order to help people come to their own conclusions
 
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Rob M. said:
True, but it isn't a reach to think this especially seeing how some are indeed taking a "fresh look" into the Bible's view of homosexuality to determine if it even is a sin, let alone included in the actual Sodom and Gomorrah account.
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This isn't a "fresh look". The meaning of that story has been debated for hundreds of years. And, for the Nth time, there is nothing in the actual text that specifically mentions homosexuality. It is an interpretation, and nothing more.

Rob M. said:
Jesus would call a spade a spade. He clearly critisized, even publicly, false teachings.
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Then he would be saying the same things that I am.
 
Rob M. said:
LOL - I just saw one of the episodes of the Bible series, and though I enjoyed the story, I will explain why I don't bother to watch these sort of recreations:

Its in the Biblical account that the men of Sodom were homosexuals and wanted to have intercourse with the "two men that came into Lot's house" -- God's two angles. Lot offered his daughters to them to protect the two men, or angels.

The men refused and insisted on the two men. God then struck them with blindness.

While this is in the Bible, the story conveniently left out the fact that they were gay and wanted the two men, and it even left out how Lot offered his daughters in exhange to keep the men safe.

I reckon they did this to NOT offend the gay community, or the creators did this to keep themselves free from ridicule, in either case, they shouldn't leave out such critical elements to whatever account they're portraying. They fact that the men of the city were homosexual is a critical element to the Sodom and Gomorrah account.

Its not that I don't want my beliefs challenged, but I want them to atleast tell the whole story and not cherry-pick which parts they'll include and which parts they'll leave out.

This goes without saying ... I won't be watching another episode.
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Other than the points CK and others have noted, I will point to your thread on whether the internet has freed us or made us captive; specifically that users will sometimes believe website content to be factual or accurate when it jives with their own, sometimes narrow, viewpoint. Which you seem to be doing re Sodom & Gomorrah and whether some of it's citizens' may have "putted from the rough".

I as well like to hear the whole story but if I'm looking for that from Hollywood's "book-to-movies" productions I'll never be satisfied. I tend to view these productions as instrumental in spurring further investigation of subject matter/person(s) than I do as all-encompassing.

It's impossible to know whether the men in Lot's story were homosexual since none of us were there (presuming the account/Bible is accurate/factual) and impossible to know whether this part of the account was left out of the episode to appease the gay community.
 
Someone mentioned the Passion. I thought that Passion was very well done except that they show the nails going into His hands and not His wrists. It must have taken a lot of effort to do it all in Aramaic.
I remember seeing a special on TV about a ship stuck in the ice on a mountainside looked real and that was the last I heard of it ever, I think that the Christian's themselves hushed it up because it wasn't on Ararat.
Ten Commandments is good if you have Metalica playing Creeping Death playing while you watch it.
 
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cwjerome said:
People who are mildly Christian will probably see it, appreciate it in a general sense, and move on. People who are deep, deep into their Christianity will probably either avoid it since it will probably offend the strict, narrow truth as they know it, or, they'll see it mainly to critique it (aka bicker). Just speculating.
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The pope would like it. And tell the critical Christians to lighten up.

I love the Pope.
 
Fern said:
Compare the movie story line with the Biblical account.

E.g., if the move shows Noah swallowed by a whale and Jonah stomping around the city of Jerico blowing a trumpet to bring down the city walls the producers/writers have messed it up.

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That's not fact checking the bible.

That's simply making sure that two fictional illustrations match.
 
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

:A fantasy justice for real world evil; in disguise. They'll still preach at you though...
 
I think all movies take a certain amount of creative interpretation and that often things are embellished or made up to fill in the gaps. The South Koreans have made a lot of historical films in the last 20 years and I love to watch them. They kept an awful lot of records in their day but I know a lot of it is conjecture and dramatics.

Take a look at the last movie about the Lone Ranger. It is quite a bit different from the original series. Also did George washington really cut down a cherry tree or is that just a kind of folk lore or fairy tail like Johnny appleseed and paul bunyon? Where did we get this strange tradition of a Christmas Tree? It doesnt really matter.

My church puts more emphasis on how Christs took on the sins of the world and he suffered so much for our sake that he sweat blood and that was more important than his suffering on the cross. However, I wont bother getting into that too much. This is why we dont display the cross in our churches.

You could probably argue about the 6 days of creation also was the earth created in six days or did it take a really long time and they just called each period a day for a God?
 
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alzan said:
Other than the points CK and others have noted, I will point to your thread on whether the internet has freed us or made us captive; specifically that users will sometimes believe website content to be factual or accurate when it jives with their own, sometimes narrow, viewpoint. Which you seem to be doing re Sodom & Gomorrah and whether some of it's citizens' may have "putted from the rough".
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My belief in that fact they were gay has nothing to do with the internet, but what's written at Jude 7.


It's impossible to know whether the men in Lot's story were homosexual since none of us were there (presuming the account/Bible is accurate/factual) and impossible to know whether this part of the account was left out of the episode to appease the gay community.
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You can either believe the account, or not...its quite that simple. Other parts of the Bible, such as Jude 7, doesn't leave much room for interpretation because it speaks of sexual immorality (sex relations outside of marriage whether gay or straight).
 
Rob M. said:
My belief in that fact they were gay has nothing to do with the internet, but what's written at Jude 7.




You can either believe the account, or not...its quite that simple. Other parts of the Bible, such as Jude 7, doesn't leave much room for interpretation because it speaks of sexual immorality (sex relations outside of marriage whether gay or straight).
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Then it's just that, a belief. It's not fact because there's only one reference source and no corroborating account(s). And as CK pointed out it's not a direct translation of the original Hebrew. Confirmation bias was around LONG before the internet.

I find Jude or any other book of the Bible to be a work of fiction; written by men who had an agenda to push.
 
alzan said:
Then it's just that, a belief. It's not fact because there's only one reference source and no corroborating account(s). And as CK pointed out it's not a direct translation of the original Hebrew. Confirmation bias was around LONG before the internet.

I find Jude or any other book of the Bible to be a work of fiction; written by men who had an agenda to push.
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Any good translator knows that a word-for-word translation, while possible, is futile and would confuse the reader.

Modern translators have freedom to the point of not changing the meaning of what's written because modern language changes (i.e "gay" used to mean happy, but now modern language defines the term as being homosexual).

Talking the account(s) as fiction is entirely up to you, however, I was pointing out that the Bible is its best interpreter...not Hollywood, not religion.
 
Rob M. said:
Any good translator knows that a word-for-word translation, while possible, is futile and would confuse the reader.

Modern translators have freedom to the point of not changing the meaning of what's written because modern language changes (i.e "gay" used to mean happy, but now modern language defines the term as being homosexual).

Talking the account(s) as fiction is entirely up to you, however, I was pointing out that the Bible is its best interpreter...not Hollywood, not religion.
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That falls under the category of circular reasoning/logic.
 
Read Isaiah and tell me what every verse means. It is impossible.

God created man. Could be that God is just a very good Scientist? Maybe he studied genetics in the third grade.

Science is great. Everything good comes from God.

People of science often make fantastic claims. Video card makers and AMD and Intel and IBM make fantastic claims all the time. We have learned to not believe anything until we see it and the benchmarks to prove it. Same thing goes for science. Prove it or shut up.

Is global warming a fact? I dont know. I know the weather changes all the time. I dont claim to know what the temperature will be next week and neither does the weather man. We know very little about what controls the temperature on the earth on a global scale. If you dont admit this, then you are kidding yourself. Could we be affecting the climate? Sure we can. If we cut all the trees on a mountain expect bad things to happen.

If you stand in a big mall parking lot in the middle of summer it will be hotter with no trees. Even an idiot understands this.
 
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piasabird said:
Read Isaiah and tell me what every verse means. It is impossible.

God created man. Could be that God is just a very good Scientist? Maybe he studied genetics in the third grade.

Science is great. Everything good comes from God.

People of science often make fantastic claims. Video card makers and AMD and Intel and IBM make fantastic claims all the time. We have learned to not believe anything until we see it and the benchmarks to prove it. Same thing goes for science. Prove it or shut up.

Is global warming a fact? I dont know. I know the weather changes all the time. I dont claim to know what the temperature will be next week and neither does the weather man. We know very little about what controls the temperature on the earth on a global scale. If you dont admit this, then you are kidding yourself. Could we be affecting the climate? Sure we can. If we cut all the trees on a mountain expect bad things to happen.

If you stand in a big mall parking lot in the middle of summer it will be hotter with no trees. Even an idiot understands this.
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So where's the evidence that god exists? Where's the evidence that the bible is the infallible, inspired word of god? Where's the evidence that Christ was divine? Remember, no circular reasoning.

Ready go.
 
I consider myself a practicing and devout follower of Jesus. I watched this series and it was interesting. The production value was very good.

If you go through life looking for something to offend you, you will be. Take things for what they are, a representation of something else. It was neat to see the interpretations of scripture. I think people need to be more grounded in their beliefs so that when alternative thoughts enter the picture they don't feel threatened.
 
There is plenty of good movie material in the Bible. Joshua knocking down Jericho could be fun. Leviticus would be a bit dull unless done Monty Python style.
 
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