The best performances of Mozart's 19th Piano Concerto...imo

Torn Mind

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Geza Anda and Helene Grimaud do it for me. Others....make it boring. This concerto really test's the performer's musicality.


 

Torn Mind

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Is that a reddit sub for people to argue about classical music? Or another forum?
Another forum.

I only have two posts there because the drivel ticked me off the couple times I took a peek. (A gap of years between posts)
 

Captante

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Somehow I feel like I would have gotten along with this guy well! ;)

Think "chicken-head" had the same meaning back then that it does now?

tendency-to-drop-her-chin-on-low-notes-and-throw-back-her-head-on-high-notes-mozart-wrote-a-song
 
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Why is Mozart so esteemed?
Master of Lyricism and turning every instrument into a singer.

Also, king of musical melisma/coloratura/fioritura.

Master of any musical style.

Master of sampling unethically without crediting the original composer. (Magic Flute).

Slips in violations of the pop standards of the time(Dissonance Quartet fucked people's minds for years).

Master of Syncopation.

Master of Improvisation.

Writes musically regardless of skill level of singer and can integrate singers of varying skill levels in ensemble works(Josepha Hofer was high skilled. Schikaneder much less so.

Leaves behind themes so lean minds struggle to reverse engineer how to play his music musically.

When his C-grade efforts would be an A+ level song for mere mortals....you know you have someone special. (In reference to his K.545, which was a private teaching work and not exactly tailored or intended for public consumption).
 
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Captante

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Master of Lyricism and turning every instrument into a singer.

Also, king of musical melisma/coloratura/fioritura.

Master of any musical style.

Master of sampling unethically without crediting the original composer. (Magic Flute).

Slips in violations of the pop standards of the time(Dissonance Quartet fucked people's minds for years).

Master of Syncopation.

Master of Improvisation.

Writes musically regardless of skill level of singer and can integrate singers of varying skill levels in ensemble works(Josepha Hofer was high skilled. Schikaneder much less so.

Leaves behind themes so lean minds struggle to reverse engineer how to play his music musically.

When his C-grade efforts would be an A+ level song for mere mortals....you know you have someone special. (In reference to his K.545, which was a private teaching work and not exactly tailored or intended for public consumption).


For once you've made a comment about music I completely agree with!

Holy crap! :p ;)
 
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Muse

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Never heard a rendition of the 19th I didn't like. A performer's job is to convey the intention of the composer.

If you're bored the problem is likely you, not the performer! ;)
 
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I sometimes wonder what Mozart would think of a particular modern piece of music, usually when it's incredibly different from anything he ever heard. Genius that he was his reaction would have to be amazing and noteworthy. Same is true of Bach or Beethoven, many other great musicians of the past as well, but Mozart is generally the one who comes to mind when I have such ruminations.
 

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I sometimes wonder what Mozart would think of a particular modern piece of music, usually when it's incredibly different from anything he ever heard. Genius that he was his reaction would have to be amazing and noteworthy. Same is true of Bach or Beethoven, many other great musicians of the past as well, but Mozart is generally the one who comes to mind when I have such ruminations.
I'd say he'd be pleased with Yasunori Mitsuda and Mariah Carey. You're So Cold develops in a manner that manages to parallel to an Adagio-Allegro from Mozart or early Beethoven's time.

Mitsuda, has a similar facility with melody in which he doesn't need many notes. Chrono Trigger starts with the soothing "Peaceful Days", but there's a wide variety of tracks. His impact extends to populations that one may not expect; Wiz Kalifa sampled Schala's Theme.
As some tracks are composed by Uematsu, I'll put this link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Chrono_Trigger
All on some very limited equipment(SNES synth)

They both also "stole" some material. But I guess, masters can get away with it because...

Carey might as well have made opera pop again.

Mozart appreciated musicality. The 17th keyboard concerto proves valuable because it wasn't for his own performance, but a student of his, Barbara Ployer. Due to her being musical but not possessing all the powers of her teacher, sections that would be left bare if Mozart were performing himself are written out.
Geza Anda was quite musical in his performances of the Mozart concertos...to me, even his cadenzas though not close the Mozart, do possess the "musicality" that make them fit better than other pianist's attempts to do the same.