Clarke's book was delayed for months by the White House, itself!
The timing does matter. This goes to show the political maneuvers this administration has pulled multiple times. (See my post just above.) And, if this is a felony, why haven't felony charges been filed? It's been over 8 months since the investigation began.
There have been reports the documents were no longer considered classified. Also, Berger didn't lose them. He returned the handwritten notes and said he had discarded the copies of the documents he had.
I have not ignored any of that or defended any of that.. Keep the focus though, this thread is about one crime.. Start another about those if you care. I have concerns that a senior member of the clinton administration stole top secret papers and tried to cover it up.... Now when it hits the news it must have been a Republican smoke screen...
:roll:
Then you're one in a million. Every other Bush supporter has dismissed them, apologized for them, or ignored them.
You've already convicted him. The investigation has been on-going for over eight months and no claims of theft, felonies, burglaries, etc. have been made. Berger has not been charged with anything. Yes, his actions were suspicious but let's await the findings of the investigation.
Now, if he is found to be guilty, what is the damage to our nation?
NONE!
What is the damage to our nation for the Bush administration scandals?
TREMENDOUS!
Originally posted by: Gaard
It's probably irrelevant, but the commission says that they have all of the documents that Cheney is alleged to have taken. That might not be worded correctly...they have all of the info that those documents had in them. Oh forget it, I can't remember his exact words. It was on Lou Dobbs a few hour ago...look it up.
Here it is. I knew I wasn't crazy.
link
DOBBS: Let me ask you, not necessarily directly on point, but certainly related. Sandy Berger, the former head of the national security -- national security adviser under the Clinton administration, accused of, and admitting taking classified documents from the National Archives, those notes, whether copies or originals still unclear. Did the commission review that material, to what -- can you shed any light on what happened there? Slade Gorton, first.
GORTON: Well, we can't shed any light on exactly what happened there and on Sandy Berger's troubles with the Justice Department and the Archives. What we can say unequivocally is we had all of that information. We have every one of those documents. All of them have -- are infused in and are a part of our report.
DOBBS: So the commission was denied no information as a result of whatever Sandy Berger did or did not do at the National Archives?
GORTON: That's precisely correct.
It's kind of funny that after all of the 'shrugging off', and other forms of 'no big deal' attitude and explaing aways, over all of the past and present scandals (prison abuse, Plame leak, computer snooping, 9/11 EPA controversy, etc), this is the one that gets the Rs in a huff.
So, where's the threat to national security? IF Berger is guilty of any type of crime, then charges will be filed, and rightfully so.Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
It's probably irrelevant, but the commission says that they have all of the documents that Cheney is alleged to have taken. That might not be worded correctly...they have all of the info that those documents had in them. Oh forget it, I can't remember his exact words. It was on Lou Dobbs a few hour ago...look it up.
Here it is. I knew I wasn't crazy.
link
DOBBS: Let me ask you, not necessarily directly on point, but certainly related. Sandy Berger, the former head of the national security -- national security adviser under the Clinton administration, accused of, and admitting taking classified documents from the National Archives, those notes, whether copies or originals still unclear. Did the commission review that material, to what -- can you shed any light on what happened there? Slade Gorton, first.
GORTON: Well, we can't shed any light on exactly what happened there and on Sandy Berger's troubles with the Justice Department and the Archives. What we can say unequivocally is we had all of that information. We have every one of those documents. All of them have -- are infused in and are a part of our report.
DOBBS: So the commission was denied no information as a result of whatever Sandy Berger did or did not do at the National Archives?
GORTON: That's precisely correct.
Until then, this thread's title stands.
Ozoned
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Focus is on a single document written by Richard Clarke ?
Berger Probe Focuses on Terror Plot Docs
Saturday, July 24, 2004
The Justice Department investigation into whether Sandy Berger (search) copied and stole terrorism documents from the National Archives is focused on one highly classified report about the Clinton administration's response to a plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, FOX News has learned.
Sources familiar with the investigation said that Berger, Clinton's former national security adviser, took numerous copies and drafts of that report, and other related documents.
The report may be of interest to investigators because of handwritten margin notes on some of the copies, which may be attributable to Berger, sources said. Since the documents themselves have not been released, the specifics of those notes were not immediately clear.
However, a government official said the investigation will likely lead to the declassification of the report.
The terror scheme in question is the millennium bomb plot , which was planned for Jan. 1, 2000.
Algerian national Ahmed Ressam was convicted in April 2001 of terrorist conspiracy and eight other charges related to the plot. He was arrested in Port Angeles, Wash., in December 1999 after crossing the Canada-U.S. border with a car allegedly with bomb-making material. Authorities said Ressam, 33, had ties to Usama bin Laden .
Seattle's millennial celebrations, and those in several other cities, were canceled as a result of Ressam's arrest.
Prosecutors say statements from Ressam prompted the government to seek the July 2001 arrest of Abu Doha , described as a London Al Qaeda operative. Doha has been charged with conspiring with Ressam to blow up Los Angeles International, but also is accused in other terrorist plots around the world.
Ressam's testimony also helped convict Mokhtar Haouari, 32, of supplying fake identification and cash for the millennium bomb plot. Haouari was sentenced to 24 years in prison.
The documents in the Berger case originated with the White House National Security Council and dealt with actions and recommendations stemming from the threat in 1999 of a terrorist attack during the 2000 millennium celebrations. The documents, written by former National Security Council aide and counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke , were classified at the extremely sensitive "codeword" level, which is above the classification level for the nation's nuclear secrets.
Berger is being investigated after witnesses at the National Archives said they saw him copying notes from the copied documents, and stuffing some of the copies in his shirt and socks.
Berger was reviewing the materials in 2003 to help determine which Clinton administration documents to provide to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Berger claims he made "an honest mistake" but was innocent of any wrongdoing, saying he must have discarded the missing documents.
The House Government Reform Committee said this week that it will look into the allegations.
"At best, we're looking at tremendously irresponsible handling of highly classified information," said committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said the questions the committee should answer include whether there was any attempt to cover up embarrassing materials, what happened to documents removed by Berger that are still missing and what security risk the entire episode poses.
The White House acknowledged that its lawyers were notified months ago about the Berger investigation. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee filed a Freedom of Information request for any correspondence about the probe between the Justice Department and the White House.
Meanwhile, the Sept. 11 commission said it was able to get all the information it needed despite the Berger snafu.
Panel Chairman Thomas Kean told reporters Friday that he and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton were told by Bush administration officials about six months ago that Berger was the subject of a the Justice investigation.
Kean said the commission has been assured that they were able to obtain copies of each document that was apparently lost. If those lost documents had written notations on them from Clinton or others, they would have been included in those copies, Kean said.
Berger stepped down as an informal foreign policy adviser to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry after the investigation hit the headlines earlier this week. Democrats accused the Bush administration of leaking the news for political gain and to distract attention from the Thursday release of the Sept. 11 commission report. Administration officials have denied those claims.
FOX News' Anna Stolley and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It would appear that the Clarke nutsuckers need to get ready to defend their boy
from this typical election year crap.
Berger Probe Focuses on Terror Plot Docs
Saturday, July 24, 2004
The Justice Department investigation into whether Sandy Berger (search) copied and stole terrorism documents from the National Archives is focused on one highly classified report about the Clinton administration's response to a plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, FOX News has learned.
Sources familiar with the investigation said that Berger, Clinton's former national security adviser, took numerous copies and drafts of that report, and other related documents.
The report may be of interest to investigators because of handwritten margin notes on some of the copies, which may be attributable to Berger, sources said. Since the documents themselves have not been released, the specifics of those notes were not immediately clear.
However, a government official said the investigation will likely lead to the declassification of the report.
The terror scheme in question is the millennium bomb plot , which was planned for Jan. 1, 2000.
Algerian national Ahmed Ressam was convicted in April 2001 of terrorist conspiracy and eight other charges related to the plot. He was arrested in Port Angeles, Wash., in December 1999 after crossing the Canada-U.S. border with a car allegedly with bomb-making material. Authorities said Ressam, 33, had ties to Usama bin Laden .
Seattle's millennial celebrations, and those in several other cities, were canceled as a result of Ressam's arrest.
Prosecutors say statements from Ressam prompted the government to seek the July 2001 arrest of Abu Doha , described as a London Al Qaeda operative. Doha has been charged with conspiring with Ressam to blow up Los Angeles International, but also is accused in other terrorist plots around the world.
Ressam's testimony also helped convict Mokhtar Haouari, 32, of supplying fake identification and cash for the millennium bomb plot. Haouari was sentenced to 24 years in prison.
The documents in the Berger case originated with the White House National Security Council and dealt with actions and recommendations stemming from the threat in 1999 of a terrorist attack during the 2000 millennium celebrations. The documents, written by former National Security Council aide and counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke , were classified at the extremely sensitive "codeword" level, which is above the classification level for the nation's nuclear secrets.
Berger is being investigated after witnesses at the National Archives said they saw him copying notes from the copied documents, and stuffing some of the copies in his shirt and socks.
Berger was reviewing the materials in 2003 to help determine which Clinton administration documents to provide to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Berger claims he made "an honest mistake" but was innocent of any wrongdoing, saying he must have discarded the missing documents.
The House Government Reform Committee said this week that it will look into the allegations.
"At best, we're looking at tremendously irresponsible handling of highly classified information," said committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said the questions the committee should answer include whether there was any attempt to cover up embarrassing materials, what happened to documents removed by Berger that are still missing and what security risk the entire episode poses.
The White House acknowledged that its lawyers were notified months ago about the Berger investigation. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee filed a Freedom of Information request for any correspondence about the probe between the Justice Department and the White House.
Meanwhile, the Sept. 11 commission said it was able to get all the information it needed despite the Berger snafu.
Panel Chairman Thomas Kean told reporters Friday that he and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton were told by Bush administration officials about six months ago that Berger was the subject of a the Justice investigation.
Kean said the commission has been assured that they were able to obtain copies of each document that was apparently lost. If those lost documents had written notations on them from Clinton or others, they would have been included in those copies, Kean said.
Berger stepped down as an informal foreign policy adviser to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry after the investigation hit the headlines earlier this week. Democrats accused the Bush administration of leaking the news for political gain and to distract attention from the Thursday release of the Sept. 11 commission report. Administration officials have denied those claims.
FOX News' Anna Stolley and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It would appear that the Clarke nutsuckers need to get ready to defend their boy
from this typical election year crap.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Focus is on a single document written by Richard Clarke ?
Berger Probe Focuses on Terror Plot Docs
Saturday, July 24, 2004
The Justice Department investigation into whether Sandy Berger (search) copied and stole terrorism documents from the National Archives is focused on one highly classified report about the Clinton administration's response to a plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, FOX News has learned.
Sources familiar with the investigation said that Berger, Clinton's former national security adviser, took numerous copies and drafts of that report, and other related documents.
The report may be of interest to investigators because of handwritten margin notes on some of the copies, which may be attributable to Berger, sources said. Since the documents themselves have not been released, the specifics of those notes were not immediately clear.
However, a government official said the investigation will likely lead to the declassification of the report.
The terror scheme in question is the millennium bomb plot , which was planned for Jan. 1, 2000.
Algerian national Ahmed Ressam was convicted in April 2001 of terrorist conspiracy and eight other charges related to the plot. He was arrested in Port Angeles, Wash., in December 1999 after crossing the Canada-U.S. border with a car allegedly with bomb-making material. Authorities said Ressam, 33, had ties to Usama bin Laden .
Seattle's millennial celebrations, and those in several other cities, were canceled as a result of Ressam's arrest.
Prosecutors say statements from Ressam prompted the government to seek the July 2001 arrest of Abu Doha , described as a London Al Qaeda operative. Doha has been charged with conspiring with Ressam to blow up Los Angeles International, but also is accused in other terrorist plots around the world.
Ressam's testimony also helped convict Mokhtar Haouari, 32, of supplying fake identification and cash for the millennium bomb plot. Haouari was sentenced to 24 years in prison.
The documents in the Berger case originated with the White House National Security Council and dealt with actions and recommendations stemming from the threat in 1999 of a terrorist attack during the 2000 millennium celebrations. The documents, written by former National Security Council aide and counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke , were classified at the extremely sensitive "codeword" level, which is above the classification level for the nation's nuclear secrets.
Berger is being investigated after witnesses at the National Archives said they saw him copying notes from the copied documents, and stuffing some of the copies in his shirt and socks.
Berger was reviewing the materials in 2003 to help determine which Clinton administration documents to provide to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Berger claims he made "an honest mistake" but was innocent of any wrongdoing, saying he must have discarded the missing documents.
The House Government Reform Committee said this week that it will look into the allegations.
"At best, we're looking at tremendously irresponsible handling of highly classified information," said committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said the questions the committee should answer include whether there was any attempt to cover up embarrassing materials, what happened to documents removed by Berger that are still missing and what security risk the entire episode poses.
The White House acknowledged that its lawyers were notified months ago about the Berger investigation. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee filed a Freedom of Information request for any correspondence about the probe between the Justice Department and the White House.
Meanwhile, the Sept. 11 commission said it was able to get all the information it needed despite the Berger snafu.
Panel Chairman Thomas Kean told reporters Friday that he and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton were told by Bush administration officials about six months ago that Berger was the subject of a the Justice investigation.
Kean said the commission has been assured that they were able to obtain copies of each document that was apparently lost. If those lost documents had written notations on them from Clinton or others, they would have been included in those copies, Kean said.
Berger stepped down as an informal foreign policy adviser to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry after the investigation hit the headlines earlier this week. Democrats accused the Bush administration of leaking the news for political gain and to distract attention from the Thursday release of the Sept. 11 commission report. Administration officials have denied those claims.
FOX News' Anna Stolley and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It would appear that the Clarke nutsuckers need to get ready to defend their boy
from this typical election year crap.
BAHAHAHA !!
Originally posted by: conjur
So, where's the threat to national security? IF Berger is guilty of any type of crime, then charges will be filed, and rightfully so.Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
It's probably irrelevant, but the commission says that they have all of the documents that Cheney is alleged to have taken. That might not be worded correctly...they have all of the info that those documents had in them. Oh forget it, I can't remember his exact words. It was on Lou Dobbs a few hour ago...look it up.
Here it is. I knew I wasn't crazy.
link
DOBBS: Let me ask you, not necessarily directly on point, but certainly related. Sandy Berger, the former head of the national security -- national security adviser under the Clinton administration, accused of, and admitting taking classified documents from the National Archives, those notes, whether copies or originals still unclear. Did the commission review that material, to what -- can you shed any light on what happened there? Slade Gorton, first.
GORTON: Well, we can't shed any light on exactly what happened there and on Sandy Berger's troubles with the Justice Department and the Archives. What we can say unequivocally is we had all of that information. We have every one of those documents. All of them have -- are infused in and are a part of our report.
DOBBS: So the commission was denied no information as a result of whatever Sandy Berger did or did not do at the National Archives?
GORTON: That's precisely correct.
Until then, this thread's title stands.
CNN BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !, Yea now theres a non-bias site.....LMAO!
umbrella39
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Originally posted by: Willian
Originally posted by: conjur
So, where's the threat to national security? IF Berger is guilty of any type of crime, then charges will be filed, and rightfully so.Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
It's probably irrelevant, but the commission says that they have all of the documents that Cheney is alleged to have taken. That might not be worded correctly...they have all of the info that those documents had in them. Oh forget it, I can't remember his exact words. It was on Lou Dobbs a few hour ago...look it up.
Here it is. I knew I wasn't crazy.
link
DOBBS: Let me ask you, not necessarily directly on point, but certainly related. Sandy Berger, the former head of the national security -- national security adviser under the Clinton administration, accused of, and admitting taking classified documents from the National Archives, those notes, whether copies or originals still unclear. Did the commission review that material, to what -- can you shed any light on what happened there? Slade Gorton, first.
GORTON: Well, we can't shed any light on exactly what happened there and on Sandy Berger's troubles with the Justice Department and the Archives. What we can say unequivocally is we had all of that information. We have every one of those documents. All of them have -- are infused in and are a part of our report.
DOBBS: So the commission was denied no information as a result of whatever Sandy Berger did or did not do at the National Archives?
GORTON: That's precisely correct.
Until then, this thread's title stands.
CNN BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !, Yea now theres a non-bias site.....LMAO!
It's a frick'n transcript, you jackass.
How do you figure, Einstein? Is Clarke the subject of an investigation?Originally posted by: Ozoned
It would appear that the Clarke nutsuckers need to get ready to defend their boy
from this typical election year crap.
No.
Geez...you Bush-God fanbois will stretch anything beyond anyone's wildest imagination.
Ozoned
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Originally posted by: conjur
[sucking noise]How do you figure, Einstein? Is Clarke the subject of an investigation?Originally posted by: Ozoned
It would appear that the Clarke nutsuckers need to get ready to defend their boy
from this typical election year crap.
No.[/sucking noise]
Geez...you Bush-God fanbois will stretch anything beyond anyone's wildest imagination.
Give it some time...Ohhhh,, you are already defending him....I was just commenting on the focus.
CaptnKirk
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Wasn't Berger reviewing transcripts that HE was the author of ?
These were not TOP SECRET, they were Classified
They - AGAIN - were COPIES, the Archieves provide NO ORIGINALS.
They may have even been declassified, just in the National Archieves.
The protocol was - he failed to follow a procedure with documentation.
Are we sure that this is a Capital Offense punishable by Death ?
Rumor & Inuendo, someone says that someone saw - yet no actual evidence.
Looks like the Death Pentalty on his career has been invoked, prior to any trial.
Conservative Hate Radio - just speculate on what Might have happened.
Doesn't matter if you're right or not, facts are discarded. Attack the personality.
The sheep will believe anything bad about The Pinko F^ggot Leftists
Oh, Horrors ! He knows Clinton !
These were not TOP SECRET, they were Classified
They - AGAIN - were COPIES, the Archieves provide NO ORIGINALS.
They may have even been declassified, just in the National Archieves.
The protocol was - he failed to follow a procedure with documentation.
Are we sure that this is a Capital Offense punishable by Death ?
Rumor & Inuendo, someone says that someone saw - yet no actual evidence.
Looks like the Death Pentalty on his career has been invoked, prior to any trial.
Conservative Hate Radio - just speculate on what Might have happened.
Doesn't matter if you're right or not, facts are discarded. Attack the personality.
The sheep will believe anything bad about The Pinko F^ggot Leftists
Oh, Horrors ! He knows Clinton !
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