The begining of the end of DX dominance on windows ?

[Bateluer]

I hope your right. It all depends on id software. They make all their games using
OpenGL. Rage is a good game but hardly any company is using their game engine
but, hopefully, id software's next game which will be OpenGL will be excellent in the
graphics department so other game developers will use the engine. Then OpenGL will be
take off again like when id software brought out GLQuake and Quake II. These were
excellent game engines and were used by quite a few developers.

I've always preferred OpenGL.

Clarification, Rage is a good engine. The game itself was mediocre, and that was being generous. ID Tech 5 only has a handful of games using it listed in Wikipedia right now, and none but Rage(2011) released. EA & Dice's Frostbite engine have lists of games using it, Epic's Unreal Engine 3 has pages of games using it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_5#Games_using_id_Tech_5

 

[24601]

Clarification, Rage is a good engine. The game itself was mediocre, and that was being generous. ID Tech 5 only has a handful of games using it listed in Wikipedia right now, and none but Rage(2011) released. EA & Dice's Frostbite engine have lists of games using it, Epic's Unreal Engine 3 has pages of games using it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Tech_5#Games_using_id_Tech_5

Rage is a purely DX9.0c level console engine.

If they even put 0.01% effort into it they would have the OPTION of a cache of decoded textures instead of literally decoding them again and again just from spinning in circles (or panning in half-circles).

Even Carmack said it sucked. There isn't any reason to defend it anymore for Carmack fanboys.

 

[sontin]

It is:
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/24/sweeney/

Android will bring back the fun of the the 90ies:
More competition, more new technologies and much more fun.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It is:
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2013/07/24/sweeney/

Android will bring back the fun of the the 90ies:
More competition, more new technologies and much more fun.

You can keep it. Gaming today is better than it has ever been. There are more good titles released now across the board than in the 90s. There is no reason for me to think mobile anything will make a dent.

 

[futurefields]

Would current GPUs support this version of OpenGL?

 

[Subyman]

I can see why developers are moving to OpenGL. The amount of people familiar with OpenGL has increased since mobile phones boomed. Taking into account that a lot of games go multi platform, OpenGL is the obvious way to go. OpenGL is supported by all major platforms.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I can see why developers are moving to OpenGL. The amount of people familiar with OpenGL has increased since mobile phones boomed. Taking into account that a lot of games go multi platform, OpenGL is the obvious way to go. OpenGL is supported by all major platforms.

Except the major consoles are going to use DX11 instead.

 

[Cerb]

Except the major consoles are going to use DX11 instead.

No, one major console will, with extensions just for it. The other has a special API, made around the hardware (it supports the same DX feature set, but isn't a DX implementation). I would be surprised if the PS4 doesn't also get an OpenGL ES implementation, once they start wanting to fill up their DL store.

 

[Spjut]

Except the major consoles are going to use DX11 instead.

Only Microsoft's consoles use DirectX. The PS4's APIs have been confirmed to be called GNM and GNMX.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Only Microsoft's consoles use DirectX. The PS4's APIs have been confirmed to be called GNM and GNMX.

And they are based on features available in DX11 not OpenGL.

OpenGL is basically dead for gaming and will be for a long time.

 

[Spjut]

And they are based on features available in DX11 not OpenGL.

OpenGL is basically dead and will be for a long time.

The features supported by GPUs can be exposed by either OpenGL or DirectX, or another API, as is the case with PS4.

 

[Cerb]

The features supported by GPUs can be exposed by either OpenGL or DirectX, or another API, as is the case with PS4.

What he said. OpenGL extensions are nothing new, and new OpenGL extensions between versions are common.

There are two key differences between Direct3D and OpenGL:
1. The whole DirectX API is tied in neatly to Windows' own APIs, including COM.
2. DirectX defines required hardware support for some features. OpenGL proper does not.

Due to #1, OpenGL isn't dead, and won't die any time soon, even for gaming. It's irrelevant, for the most part, to Windows gaming, but not gaming in general.

Due to #2, there is not, nor will be, any OpenGL X.Y compliant GPUs, only DirectX X.Y GPUs, regardless of whether DirectX is actually being used to handle those features. In the recent past, OpenGL has typically come out with a new version that has direct support for latest DX's required features, to help keep from vendor extensions getting too fragmented too quickly.

Unless Sony uses Windows, or writes a custom OS around WINE, they are not going to be using DirectX. They are using the same feature set.

Microsoft, on the other hand, will be supporting DirectX, with some custom extensions.

 

[DaveSimmons]

You don't need an emulation layer to implement your own version of an API. For example, Android does not use Sun's JVM.

The PS4 library can be very close to DX11 while including no Windows library code.

MS may or may not have patents that would prevent this. Sony may or may not have cross-licensed any such patents.

 

[Cerb]

You don't need an emulation layer to implement your own version of an API. For example, Android does not use Sun's JVM.

Android also doesn't run standard JVM applications. It's not Oracle Java. In any case, though, why bring up emulation layers?

The PS4 library can be very close to DX11 while including no Windows library code.

Whether close to or not, it's their own unique API. Not running Windows, and not needing to run Windows/x86 binaries, there's no point in implementing MS Windows APIs. Better to just use OpenGL+extensions, or a custom API, which Sony has preferred to do over the generations, anyway.

MS may or may not have patents that would prevent this. Sony may or may not have cross-licensed any such patents.

But why would they? DirectX without Win32 would be silly. It would end up basically being an incompatible or useless implementation, anyway. Everything in the hardware can be done with OpenGL just as well, or some custom API, in a console.

The PS4 is not using DX 11.2 any more or less than the PS3 used DX 9.0C.