The Arts V.S. The Sciences

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets paid more? 😉

The contractor that owns the engineer peons?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets paid more? 😉

the business major who works 80 hour weeks?



Now where did I put my new hammock?

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets paid more? 😉

the business major who works 80 hour weeks?



Now where did I put my new hammock?

wrong, the guy from the public firm auditing the company 😉

actually, I take that back 😱

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets laid more? 😉

You were saying?

I won't argue with you there.

 

[piasabird]

To go from the science to the product can take 5-20 years or even longer. What is even worse is that many things are not developed due to their inability to make a profit. We could probably use a lot more research just for the sake of research. It was Zerox that developed the Mouse Pointing System for Computers, and the Networking for high-speed printers. It is doubtful that Zerox PARC ever made any money off of the research. Sometimes research is better than the almighty dollar.

 

[sdifox]

Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

 

[DougK62]

I agree that the arts degrees are generally easier to get than the science degrees, but I think they're just as important in society.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I?ve always have had this conundrum in my head and I just want to get opinion from others. I?m obviously the scientific type of person. I?m non-religious and highly scientific. I believe science is the truth to everything and is the answer to all of our problems. I also feel people who major in the arts are more/less wasting their lives away. Degrees like English, Art, Psychology (B.S.). People, Mass Comm, Music, Sociology, philosophy. They provide little if any commercial value once one obtains such degree and are not highly regarded by others in the field of academia. Why would you spend thousands of dollars to get such a degree only making scribbles. It seems to me (just from knowledge) that these fields require little if any upper level thinking. Therefore they are easy to get and say you have a degree.

Ummmm... okay?? I am very science minded myself, but I see the need for language and the arts. Science is great for innovation, but fails for social reform. Without the Social "Science"s, we would not have as functional of a society.

Science is meant to be cold and objective. Social systems are different in that aspect. Of course, they have evolved through nature, but understanding how and actually encouraging social reform are two different things.

You might as well say that Law is obsolete, because it ties with all the social "sciences". And law governs our society. That being said, I agree that science is a great stepping stone to finding out about the world.

It is fascinating when you see people so hardlined one way or the other, because most of the time (not all), they are usually wrong in their persective because most of their beliefs are more founded on their experience and not solid logic.

 

[piasabird]

The design of an automobile is as much art as it is science. If a car is not visually appealing it will not sell.

Look at Game development and Art is as important as programming. Look at marketing and artistic representation is very important.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

Please be more elaborate... I would like to hear why you think that way.

PS Forgot to do my own elaboration 🙂 I may have majored in Computer Science, but I minored in English and Spanish at the same time. I have been to both sides of the world. And let me tell ya, figuring out all the math and stuff was easy compared to the stuff I had to do on the arts side.

 

[lyssword]

lol, nice 😛

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

I think it depends on where you're coming from.

if you're naturally inclined to be a creative person, something like writing or a fine arts program is going to be easier than an engineering program, and vice versa if you're mechanically inclined.

I will say that the papers written by the engineering, CS, and other BS majors were some of the worst I ever had to read when I TA'd a freshman comp course 😛

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets paid more? 😉

The sales guy who didn't pay attention enough in class to know the difference between arts and sciences.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: vi_edit
That dohickey that you engineer doesn't get sold unless that communication and/or marketing major does the lip service for it, the artist slaps the pretty picture on the box, and the jouralism person writes the spiffy reviews for it.

But who gets paid more? 😉

The sales guy who didn't pay attention enough in class to know the difference between arts and sciences.

Drug reps FTW.

 

[GasX]

Hey OP, how is that symphony coming along?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I?ve always have had this conundrum in my head and I just want to get opinion from others. I?m obviously the scientific type of person. I?m non-religious and highly scientific. I believe science is the truth to everything and is the answer to all of our problems. I also feel people who major in the arts are more/less wasting their lives away. Degrees like English, Art, Psychology (B.S.). People, Mass Comm, Music, Sociology, philosophy. They provide little if any commercial value once one obtains such degree and are not highly regarded by others in the field of academia. Why would you spend thousands of dollars to get such a degree only making scribbles. It seems to me (just from knowledge) that these fields require little if any upper level thinking. Therefore they are easy to get and say you have a degree.

And that's BS. You try writting a 30 page paper on the Finno-Ugric Epic and Nationalism.

Don't hate, just because at least with the last statement, he is correct. Try to go through 40 pages of code (100 pages of assembly code) trying to optimize the code by 20% with an innovative method, spending 10 hours a day +the time for classes for a solid 2 months in the computer lab, then you can say something. I have heard worse stories too.

If you can't admit that social degrees are less difficult, then someone is just going to jum pon your argument, like I just did. Social sciences though are beneficial to society and definitely needed.

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

Please be more elaborate... I would like to hear why you think that way.

PS Forgot to do my own elaboration 🙂 I may have majored in Computer Science, but I minored in English and Spanish at the same time. I have been to both sides of the world. And let me tell ya, figuring out all the math and stuff was easy compared to the stuff I had to do on the arts side.

Speaking for math, if you've ever done higher level stuff, then you'd know that proofs require a great deal of creativity.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

I think it depends on where you're coming from.

if you're naturally inclined to be a creative person, something like writing or a fine arts program is going to be easier than an engineering program, and vice versa if you're mechanically inclined.

I will say that the papers written by the engineering, CS, and other BS majors were some of the worst I ever had to read when I TA'd a freshman comp course 😛

All it takes is work ethic either way. But to claim that the Arts are much harder to do in college than sciences, that is bull man, seriously. I know too many musicians to know that they work really, really hard at what the do, but even still, the predominant amount of people that go into social degrees will not have that work ethic and will have a much easier time than any science class. Why do you think law schools, med schools, corporate, and almost every charity organization will consider a candidate with a science degree over a social science degree? I am not saying that Social science and the arts aren't difficult (and to be the best at anything, you have to work hard at it), but to say that the actual curriculum is as hard as science is ludicrous.

That being said, the OP original argument is bull as well, and if you pointed out the purposes of social sciences and the arts, then you could make that argument, but difficulty, curriculum NO.

I don't care if you have to write an 100 page paper, the way things are graded, the difficulty of what needs to be learned... is much less than science related subjects. Unless you want to be the best at what you do, then that means it will be as hard as you make it.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: sdifox
Arts degree are a lot harder to do well in than Sciences. There is a lot more creativity involved.

Thats the biggest croc of sh!t i've heard in a while.

Please be more elaborate... I would like to hear why you think that way.

PS Forgot to do my own elaboration 🙂 I may have majored in Computer Science, but I minored in English and Spanish at the same time. I have been to both sides of the world. And let me tell ya, figuring out all the math and stuff was easy compared to the stuff I had to do on the arts side.

Speaking for math, if you've ever done higher level stuff, then you'd know that proofs require a great deal of creativity.

Bingo.

Einstein wasn't as great at math and physics as his peers, he just was more creative and thought about things differently. People fail to understand that science isn't about memorization, science is a way of thinking about things.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I woudl say art is ranked up along side sciences, they both make it all work imo 🙂

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I?ve always have had this conundrum in my head and I just want to get opinion from others. I?m obviously the scientific type of person. I?m non-religious and highly scientific. I believe science is the truth to everything and is the answer to all of our problems. I also feel people who major in the arts are more/less wasting their lives away. Degrees like English, Art, Psychology (B.S.). People, Mass Comm, Music, Sociology, philosophy. They provide little if any commercial value once one obtains such degree and are not highly regarded by others in the field of academia. Why would you spend thousands of dollars to get such a degree only making scribbles. It seems to me (just from knowledge) that these fields require little if any upper level thinking. Therefore they are easy to get and say you have a degree.

because aside from commercial value, theres a concept called cultural value, which sometimes cant be quantified

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: everman
Your post shows how ignorant you truly are.

 

[potoba]

while i'm a hard science person, i still appreciate arts very much.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I?ve always have had this conundrum in my head and I just want to get opinion from others. I?m obviously the scientific type of person. I?m non-religious and highly scientific. I believe science is the truth to everything and is the answer to all of our problems. I also feel people who major in the arts are more/less wasting their lives away. Degrees like English, Art, Psychology (B.S.). People, Mass Comm, Music, Sociology, philosophy. They provide little if any commercial value once one obtains such degree and are not highly regarded by others in the field of academia. Why would you spend thousands of dollars to get such a degree only making scribbles. It seems to me (just from knowledge) that these fields require little if any upper level thinking. Therefore they are easy to get and say you have a degree.

And that's BS. You try writting a 30 page paper on the Finno-Ugric Epic and Nationalism.

Don't hate, just because at least with the last statement, he is correct. Try to go through 40 pages of code (100 pages of assembly code) trying to optimize the code by 20% with an innovative method, spending 10 hours a day +the time for classes for a solid 2 months in the computer lab, then you can say something. I have heard worse stories too.

If you can't admit that social degrees are less difficult, then someone is just going to jum pon your argument, like I just did. Social sciences though are beneficial to society and definitely needed.

I will not admit that science is any harder than the arts. Science was always rather easy for me because it was quantifiable and followed a logical order. As a software tester I enjoy it because I have to look through pages of code to find weak spots or logical errors that I might be able to exploit in my testing.

To me the main difference between the arts and sciences is the competed work. For IT or Engineering your product is a tangible while in the Arts (usually) it's an expression of a tangible. I'm not saying one is harder than the other, but there is definitely an art in each. In IT if you can come up with some code that will have another developer say, "I didn't think it could be done that way", you've won. If you?re in the arts and a professor says, "I never thought of it that way", you've won as well. You've taken the skills learned and applied them in a creative function while still executing the task at hand. This is the true test that you've learned something at a colligate level instead of just having scraped by.