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[MAW1082]

CNN - Rove Identifies Plume

Finally, what everybody has been saying for years has been confirmed. Karl Rove is the most unethical idealogue in the Bush administration. This guy should be locked up for life or given the death sentence. He is the definition of a traitor.

Edit: bad title

 

[alchemize]

Old news, your spelling sucks (OK you fixed most of it - at least call her Plame, not Plume), Armitage leaked it first.

Here's the relevant testimony:

Novak said he asked Rove several questions about Wilson's mission to Niger, and near the end of the conversation, "I commented that I heard she was a -- I had been told she was an employee of the counterproliferation division of the CIA. He said, "Oh, you know about that, too.' I took that as a clear affirmation."

You my resume your drooling now.

 

[MAW1082]

Originally posted by: alchemize
You my resume your drooling now.

touche

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Old news, your spelling sucks, Armitage leaked it first.

Here's the relevant testimony:

Novak said he asked Rove several questions about Wilson's mission to Niger, and near the end of the conversation, "I commented that I heard she was a -- I had been told she was an employee of the counterproliferation division of the CIA. He said, "Oh, you know about that, too.' I took that as a clear affirmation."

You my resume your drooling now.

I'm pretty sure it's still against the law to confirm leaked classified information to a reporter even if you weren't the person who did the initial leaking.

 

[alchemize]

It might be - but if they had good evidence, they'd charge him wouldn't they? Obviously from the context of this, I can't see any sentence but life in prison (death preferred) is reasonable!

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Old news, your spelling sucks, Armitage leaked it first.

Here's the relevant testimony:

Novak said he asked Rove several questions about Wilson's mission to Niger, and near the end of the conversation, "I commented that I heard she was a -- I had been told she was an employee of the counterproliferation division of the CIA. He said, "Oh, you know about that, too.' I took that as a clear affirmation."

You my resume your drooling now.

I'm pretty sure it's still against the law to confirm leaked classified information to a reporter even if you weren't the person who did the initial leaking.

link

(b) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.

That's pretty damning.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Old news, your spelling sucks, Armitage leaked it first.

Here's the relevant testimony:

Novak said he asked Rove several questions about Wilson's mission to Niger, and near the end of the conversation, "I commented that I heard she was a -- I had been told she was an employee of the counterproliferation division of the CIA. He said, "Oh, you know about that, too.' I took that as a clear affirmation."

You my resume your drooling now.

I'm pretty sure it's still against the law to confirm leaked classified information to a reporter even if you weren't the person who did the initial leaking.

Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

How about Novak for running the story with the classified information inside it?

MAW1082Your pushing the realms of sanity with your 'lock him up for life' statement.

Do you think Sandy Berger should be locked up for life for stealing classified information?
After all, what Berger did was far more harmful to our government and its basis than Rove confirming something the reporters already knew.

In case you are not following the story, Sandy stole the same document TWICE, obviously there was something in that document that he wanted to keep from the American people. How else would you explain him taking it twice?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

Editors and journalists aren't bound to the any laws regarding classified information.

 

[Tab]

This is simply too good to be true...

right?

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: MAW1082
CNN - Rove Identifies Plume

Finally, what everybody has been saying for years has been confirmed. Karl Rove is the most unethical idealogue in the Bush administration. This guy should be locked up for life or given the death sentence. He is the definition of a traitor.

Edit: bad title

Aww, come on! Thats a bit harsh no? Thats just barely worse than a blow job. Right?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

Editors and journalists aren't bound to the any laws regarding classified information.

I believe everyone is bound by these laws, if they know the information is classified and they know that reporting the information is illegal, and obviously these people knew that.

The reason they get away with it is because no one has ever gone after the press for breaking the law this way. Too much of a mess with 1st amendment rights and such.

BTW: this is not a bomb shell; it has been known for months that Rove confirmed this information.

 

[DealMonkey]

I'd assume that if the prosecution had a case against anyone in the Administration, they'd have leveled charges long ago.

 

[UberNeuman]

These type of investigations takes YEARS..... so, I don't get worked up over them...........

As it goes on, the findings may be quite interesting.......

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
These type of investigations takes YEARS..... so, I don't get worked up over them...........

As it goes on, the findings may be quite interesting.......

It certainly has provided an interesting view already into a panicked White House eager to put down criticism by Wilson at any cost.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

Editors and journalists aren't bound to the any laws regarding classified information.

I believe everyone is bound by these laws, if they know the information is classified and they know that reporting the information is illegal, and obviously these people knew that.

The reason they get away with it is because no one has ever gone after the press for breaking the law this way. Too much of a mess with 1st amendment rights and such.

I don't think so.

(b) Officers and employees of the United States Government, and its contractors, licensees, certificate holders, and grantees shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently:

(1) disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified under this order or predecessor orders;
(2) classify or continue the classification of information in violation of this order or any implementing directive;
(3) create or continue a special access program contrary to the requirements of this order; or
(4) contravene any other provision of this order or its implementing directives.

(c) Sanctions may include reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions in accordance with applicable law and agency regulation.

Nowhere does it specify people who are the recipients of leaked classified information shall be subject to sanctions. Is it irresponsible in some cases, yes, but not illegal.

 

[MAW1082]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
MAW1082Your pushing the realms of sanity with your 'lock him up for life' statement.

Yeah, maybe I am pushing the bounds of sanity by saying that he should be given the death penalty. I don't believe in the death penalty. I do, however, believe that Karl Rove should be locked up for life. What Karl Rove did was not an accident. Karl Rove is an extremely intelligent and calculating individual. He knew exactly what he was doing. He is a menace to society. Case closed.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'd assume that if the prosecution had a case against anyone in the Administration, they'd have leveled charges long ago.

One has to question whether Rove was authorized for access in the first place.

 

[MAW1082]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'd assume that if the prosecution had a case against anyone in the Administration, they'd have leveled charges long ago.

One has to question whether Rove was authorized for access in the first place.

I don't think you understand what is going on here. There is a planned attempt to mislead the American public into a series of aggressive wars to cement American dominance in the Middle East and other arenas. This is the Project for a New American Century. Karl Rove is the architect. Rumsfeld *was* the general. Wolfowitz is the statesman. Cheney is the politician. Bush is the figurehead.

IMHO, everything that has gone on in the past five or six years can be traced back this theme. PNAC. Project for a New American Century.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

Editors and journalists aren't bound to the any laws regarding classified information.

I believe everyone is bound by these laws, if they know the information is classified and they know that reporting the information is illegal, and obviously these people knew that.

Your belief is wrong.
Everyone isn't.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'd assume that if the prosecution had a case against anyone in the Administration, they'd have leveled charges long ago.

One has to question whether Rove was authorized for access in the first place.

No he does not have the right to declassify.

You have the right to declassify any doco that was classified in your department in the first place.

The only person who has the authority to declassify a doco from another department is the President.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Old news, your spelling sucks, Armitage leaked it first.

Here's the relevant testimony:

Novak said he asked Rove several questions about Wilson's mission to Niger, and near the end of the conversation, "I commented that I heard she was a -- I had been told she was an employee of the counterproliferation division of the CIA. He said, "Oh, you know about that, too.' I took that as a clear affirmation."

You my resume your drooling now.

I'm pretty sure it's still against the law to confirm leaked classified information to a reporter even if you weren't the person who did the initial leaking.

Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

How about Novak for running the story with the classified information inside it?

...

Journalists, unlike government folks, never agreed to protect classified information and seem to be under little legal or moral obligation to do so. And it seems perfectly sufficient to simply hold people WITH clearances to the standard, as without their illegal disclosures, nobody in the press would be reporting on anything. Although I do find it highly amusing that, when classified information appears in the press, conservatives are always lurching towards the jugular of the media in question (especially if it's the NYT), and only later, if at all, do they talk about punishing the actual sources of the leak, who, unlike the press, took an oath and signed a piece of paper saying they would protect that information.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Think we should go lock up the NY Times editors for running classified details about the swift program?

Editors and journalists aren't bound to the any laws regarding classified information.

I believe everyone is bound by these laws, if they know the information is classified and they know that reporting the information is illegal, and obviously these people knew that.

The reason they get away with it is because no one has ever gone after the press for breaking the law this way. Too much of a mess with 1st amendment rights and such.

BTW: this is not a bomb shell; it has been known for months that Rove confirmed this information.

Yeah, this is about the law, not whatever fantasy world you want to "believe" you inhabit. Nevermind that it seems pretty clear that one of the very first founding principles of this country was the ability of the press to say things that the government didn't want them to say. You're right, we should just trust the government and toss in prison anyone in the press who tries to go against their wishes. Because, you know, that's worked out so well in the past for people.

I'm sorry, but are we really having this conversation? I realize that you hate the media, but I don't think you're fulling thinking through the impact on our freedoms that would happen if the government was given the power to silence the media whenever it decided it was necessary. As much as you dislike the NYT, I don't think you'd want to live in a world without a free press.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

mountains out of molehills.

have they even decided if Plame's job was classified knowledge? A desk jockey?


Still, Rove didn't reveal anything that wasn't already known.



Just get over it. It is not important.


Getting out of Iraq is more important.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Shivetya

She had worked abroad under cover, and her exposure put other people she had worked with at risk.

Confirming the quality of classified material to an unauthorized person is at least aiding and abetting, if not equal to the original transgression.

 

[DealMonkey]

Here's the rub with this particular case - somewhere on Fitzgerald's time line there exists a single point. That point represents the first time Plame's identity was revealed to a journalist. The person at that point should be held accountable. Simply because 5-6 different Administration Officials revealed the identity at various times to various reporters doesn't mean that initial point of release doesn't exist. Now, if Fitzgerald knows who that is (Armitage, Rove, whoever), why doesn't he level appropriate charges? Or is this Libby trial merely a way for Fitzgerald to cement the time line via defense testimony and then file charges? Certainly something to think about.