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iCyborg

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Holy mother, I hope no one gets fooled by this. The actual limit visible in that second link is $7,000, I didn't see a single source mentioning 8K. The penalties for going over the limit are rather costly.

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Red Squirrel

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I thought it was 5k, I guess they raised it. You can accrue more if you did not use the previous years. There's a way to find out what your personal limit is but you have to jump through a bunch of hoops on the government website, been a while since I've done it myself, I should check actually. I probably have tons of room left as I don't put nowhere near 5k/year.

But yeah I find the AI built into search engines is often very wrong on stuff, I've seen some stuff that was comically wrong but it's bad because it can also seem very convincing too. Really need to cross reference info with actual sources.
 
MrSquished

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The AI we have being pushed on us right now is kind of an abomination. It's taking humanities already fucked up trashy corruption by technology to another level of shittiness.
 
Kaido

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nakedfrog said:
MS Paint image
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FWIW, MS Paint has had Generative AI since 2023:

Use Image Creator in Paint to generate AI art - Microsoft Support

Learn how to use Image Creator in Paint to generate diverse and realistic images using a powerful AI model called DALL-E.
support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com

www.microsoft.com

Draw, Create, and Edit with Paint | Microsoft Windows

Unleash your inner artist with the Paint app. Create digital masterpieces with precision and the capabilities of AI-powered tools at your fingertips in Windows.
www.microsoft.com www.microsoft.com

Even Notepad got AI back in 2024:

Enhance Your Writing with AI in Notepad - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com
 
Kaido

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MrSquished said:
The AI we have being pushed on us right now is kind of an abomination.
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Par for the course:

1. A beneficial technology gets developed
2. Capitalism takes it to the extreme

The most prominent negative effects I see:

1. Wholesale artistic theft
2. Environmental injustices
3. An order of magnitude increase in fake news

#1 & #3 are very hard to combat due to marketplace competition: new AI technologies are being released literally by the hour. The HuggingFace AI report has over 2.4 million models:


Newer, faster, and smaller models are released all time time with open-source variants that inevitably follow, which allow anyone to create anything for free at home. Companies like Facebook & Pinterest make money off endless scrolling & are thus incentivized to make space for AI slop. AI brainrot now accounts for 1 in 5 Youtube Shorts:

wersm.com

1 in 5 YouTube Shorts Is Now AI Slop

Low-quality AI-generated “brainrot” content is flooding YouTube, and the algorithm seems perfectly fine with it.
wersm.com wersm.com

It's fantastically profitable, hence the uptick in market impact:


AI is set to surpass Bitcoin for energy requirements:

www.theverge.com

AI could consume more power than Bitcoin by the end of 2025

“It shouldn’t be this ridiculously hard” to track AI’s energy consumption.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Global AI pollution already exceeds the entirety of NYC:

www.theverge.com

AI’s water and electricity use soars in 2025

It’s guzzling up even more water than expected.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

But businesses are not required to moral or ethical, only legal, so until the laws change, companies will continue to push the limits because they are driven by profits. We need far, far better safety rails than we have today.
 
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mikeymikec

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Kaido said:
Par for the course:

1. A beneficial technology gets developed
2. Capitalism takes it to the extreme
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IMO: Except that the tech should really still be in the testing phase. Instead at least one economy is about to be tanked because billions or even trillions are being gambled on beta-stage tech. It's completely absurd.

If the societies in question don't manage to fuck their economies into utter oblivion this time around, the tech sector is going to consider it a success and get ready to repeat the cycle until oblivion is reached. Rather like the financial sector and various governments being stupid enough to start taking the guard rails off that were put in place at the end of the ~2010 recession.

If there's any gamble that humanity should be currently undertaking, it's to put all of our resources into saving our environment, rather than finding ways to fuck it faster.
 
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IronWing

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nakedfrog said:
I'm pretty damn sure you know what I mean.

I know, it's fucking stupid and I turned it off as soon as it showed up. Notepad is supposed to be a plain, simple text editor, it does not need and should not have bells and whistles.
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You have to keep turning it back off though. Every time MS pushes an update, it turns notepad.exe to shit again.

I suppose it helps push the narrative that XX% of users are using AI!
 
MrSquished

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To add to that AI is terrible for humanity in this form and at this point in time, the bubble is clearly real. And the bubble will pop. AI has shown for a while now it is not ready for prime time at all. It's full of issues and errors.

It's constantly wrong, and Gemini is shoved down my throat on Android, which I hate. And I pay for 2TB of storage plus the supposed 'better AI', so cancelling that nonsense.

The facade of AI's capabilities is falling apart:

Amazon has to take down Fallout season 1 recap video after multiple errors in it about basic parts of the series - clearly AI Slop

www.bbc.com

Amazon pulls AI recap from Fallout TV show after it made several mistakes

The errors included getting dialogue wrong and incorrectly claiming a scene was set 100 years earlier than it was.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Salesforce famously fired 4K customer service employees about a year ago for AI to take over, now confidence in their CS has fallen and they had to admit recently AI is not doing it's job


AI Slop is all over the place, from nearly 20% of YouTube content to video games. BF6 puts out this trash like this, clearly AI Slop:

kotaku.com

Battlefield 6 Is Selling Gen AI Cosmetics After Promising No Slop

The controversy comes after a promise that no gen-AI art would be visible in the game
kotaku.com kotaku.com

From talking to people in various industries, right now AI seems to be good at creating nicely written emails if you input a nice summary of what you want the email to say. It's good for folks that are not great at writing. I can't vouch to how good it is for coding, but clearly, it's not working out in some areas, though I would wager it is helping in some ways.

But what AI is good at now is far far less than these greedy tech fucks claim. The LLM model is clearly nonsense - it's just a data aggregator revisionist - and there is so much bad data out there, what did anyone expect? Bad data in, bad data out. This is basic fundamental shit. It's as basic as pointing out for years Elon Musk self-driving was doomed to be a failure due to relying only on cameras. Again, basic shit, but the hype of capitalism and the new darling of tech drowns out any actual logical discussion. They want those quarterly results and that's it. Plus, AI has a clear bias to please and make up shit. Again, a fundamental flaw. AI right now is the same kind of stock pumping like Elon hype.

End-stage capitalism is gross.
 
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MrSquished said:
From talking to people in various industries, right now AI seems to be good at creating nicely written emails if you input a nice summary of what you want the email to say. It's good for folks that are not great at writing. I can't vouch to how good it is for coding, but clearly, it's not working out in some areas, though I would wager it is helping in some ways.
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From my limited discussions with people using it for coding, it's kind of a wash. By the time they've ironed out the kinks in the generated code, they figure it took about the same amount of time it would have for them to just write it themselves. To me, that's still a net loss because you're not relying on your own neural pathways for the creation aspect, which I figure probably isn't beneficial for neuroplasticity.
MrSquished said:
But what AI is good at now is far far less than these greedy tech fucks claim. The LLM model is clearly nonsense - it's just a data aggregator revisionist - and there is so much bad data out there, what did anyone expect? Bad data in, bad data out. This is basic fundamental shit. It's as basic as pointing out for years Elon Musk self-driving was doomed to be a failure due to relying only on cameras. Again, basic shit, but the hype of capitalism and the new darling of tech drowns out any actual logical discussion. They want those quarterly results and that's it.

End-stage capitalism is gross.
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Indeed, current AI isn't actually about being "good", it's just about chasing that bag. It's making life worse for everyone everywhere. Even those who benefit financially in the short-term still lose out from the broader negative impact to the world.
 
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nakedfrog said:
From my limited discussions with people using it for coding, it's kind of a wash. By the time they've ironed out the kinks in the generated code, they figure it took about the same amount of time it would have for them to just write it themselves. To me, that's still a net loss because you're not relying on your own neural pathways for the creation aspect, which I figure probably isn't beneficial for neuroplasticity.

Indeed, current AI isn't actually about being "good", it's just about chasing that bag. It's making life worse for everyone everywhere. Even those who benefit financially in the short-term still lose out from the broader negative impact to the world.
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Yep - it's the perfect example of how capitalism in our form is evil. I love how this jackass got upset about people using AI Slop and now Microslop is trending

 
Kaido

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mikeymikec said:
IMO: Except that the tech should really still be in the testing phase. Instead at least one economy is about to be tanked because billions or even trillions are being gambled on beta-stage tech. It's completely absurd.
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Same as self-driving tech. I'm a HUGE fan of FSD, but not a big fan of using the public as beta testers.

Unfortunately, when it cones to stuff like AI pollution, The Environment™ has no budget & no lobbyists :p
 
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Kaido

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nakedfrog said:
Notepad is supposed to be a plain, simple text editor, it does not need and should not have bells and whistles.
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I switched back to Notepad++. Still prefer OG Notepad tho.
 
Red Squirrel

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Oh man that's annoying, I never got that at work, but I have accidentally activated copilot somehow when trying to paste something and it ended up being pasted in copilot and then starting a web search, instead of going into notepad. That's a bit of a liability when dealing with sensitive info.

It's funny though, MS is trying so hard to shove copilot everywhere and nobody wants it, and the CEO is actually frustrated at this. Apparently they're even pushing it on smart TVs now.


I hate that it also says "monitors". That was my fear, that they start bringing "smart TV" garbage to monitors too. Ugh. I just want my screen to be a screen.
 
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Red Squirrel said:
Oh man that's annoying, I never got that at work, but I have accidentally activated copilot somehow when trying to paste something and it ended up being pasted in copilot and then starting a web search, instead of going into notepad. That's a bit of a liability when dealing with sensitive info.

It's funny though, MS is trying so hard to shove copilot everywhere and nobody wants it, and the CEO is actually frustrated at this. Apparently they're even pushing it on smart TVs now.


I hate that it also says "monitors". That was my fear, that they start bringing "smart TV" garbage to monitors too. Ugh. I just want my screen to be a screen.
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Yeah about that...

 
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Red Squirrel said:
Oh man that's annoying, I never got that at work, but I have accidentally activated copilot somehow when trying to paste something and it ended up being pasted in copilot and then starting a web search, instead of going into notepad. That's a bit of a liability when dealing with sensitive info.

It's funny though, MS is trying so hard to shove copilot everywhere and nobody wants it, and the CEO is actually frustrated at this. Apparently they're even pushing it on smart TVs now.


I hate that it also says "monitors". That was my fear, that they start bringing "smart TV" garbage to monitors too. Ugh. I just want my screen to be a screen.
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