The All Time Final Statement on Clinton's Presidency

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flavio

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That is an anti-democrat website!!!

Damn you guys look at all the bashing in this article..

Geezus can't we stick to reliable unbiased sources here. What a load of crap.
 

AaronP

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it's a conservative website, and the opinion columnists are strong willed, however that doesn't take away from what Clinton did. I was wondering how long it would take for the website's credibility to come into question.
 

AaronP

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ohh Flavio LOL, BTW that article you linked to was written by a democrat, and a Clinton apointee. HAHA
 

flavio

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I don't care who wrote the article if you look around the website it is immediately obvious that the information contained within is biased. I find it sickening that they would see this tragedy as an opportunity to push their agenda.
 

AaronP

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they're not using this strategy to push their agenda. Take your blinders off. read all the news stories poasted since 8:42 am tuesday and see what agenda they're pushing.
 

AaronP

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uhh hello Mcfly, knock knock anybody home? do you think everything you read in the NY Times or see on ABC news is true?
 

flavio

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<< Take your blinders off. read all the news stories poasted since 8:42 am tuesday and see what agenda they're pushing. >>



I have my blinders off. It's easier when you use unbiased sources for news.
 

sandorski

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Yup, too many people are jumping to too many conclusions. This article is making a hell of a lot of assumptions, then selling it as God given fact. You may want to wait for some evidence before making accusations.

Clinton, IMO, would have handled this crisis better. Bush just doesn't seem to evoke much confidence, unlike Britain's Tony Blair who seems to be the best spoken current world leader.
 

Johnnie

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biased or not.... it is still the truth.....Clinton handed over a plethora of our intelligence to China.
 

AaronP

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"I have my blinders off. It's easier when you use unbiased sources for news."
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there is no such thing.
 

flavio

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<< there is no such thing. >>




That may be true, but why trust one that doesn't even try?



Oh and that's 1000 posts for me!

can't really argue with a Golden moment like this. But why does it still say Senior?
 

Muadib

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It's sad that you can spew such obvious crap at a time like this. Truely sad....
 

dman

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I think this is overrated. They are making a big deal that they got Spread Spectrum radio's and some other "high tech" equipment that I believe is farily commonplace in US households these days. If they hadn't gotten it from us they would certainly have found it elsewhere. In addition, Satellite phones are fairly common (or were) in europe. In no way, based on this report, do I blame Clinton for this attack. Technology is widely available from places other than the US.

About the only thing I'd blame him for is not pushing to increase airport security during his term, but, then probably more of the airlines would be bankrupt or on their way out INSTEAD of this disaster happening the way it did, and, we'd be blissfully ignorant in blaming Clinton for that. I wish it had happened that way, but, it did not.



 

huanaku

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If they hadn't gotten it from us they would certainly have found it elsewhere

but they did get it from us. It's like giving money to someone who's going to use that money to buy a gun and kill you.
 

awanSky

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You guys are nuts. stop blaming.
Little interesting facts:
1. Osama bin Laden is trained by CIA to fight Ruskies in Afganistan in 1990s
2. CIA or US financed his war against Ruskies

who to blame?
 

classy

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I can not believe what I am reading. You people are some of the dumbest @sses I have ever seen. To blame anyone in our country for the BS that happened is a joke. If your gonna blame Clinton, Blame Bush Sr. and Reagan as well. They were the first ones who put Bin Laden in power. When Russia invaded Afghanistan, we the US under Reagan and Bush gave weapons and money to them who were led by Bin Laden to fight back. It was after the Russia fell when we supported Isarel that Laden then turned on the US. You people are starch idiots who don't what in the hell your talking about. Its sad that some of you show how small of people you are to turn to your little petty differences in this time to blame anyone in our country, except those directly involved. Sad how you clowns can't really rally with the American flag united, but instead you show just how stupid and foolish some of you really are.
 

Windogg

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I am NOT a Clinton supporter by any means but I would have to say an attack on him in this fashion is pure BS. Junk articles like this fan the flames of partisan politics and divides an already wounded nation. Those that use these times to advance their own agenda are no worse than the terrorists themselves.

Get rid of that crap right now.

Windogg
 

BreakApart

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Some of you are grossy misinformed...

We sold/gave weapons to Afgan over 10years ago when they were fighting RUSSIA, it was a fight to prevent the spread of Communism. Get a clue my friend this was something that many people supported.

I can also point out the radios in question were brand new to our own armed forces in 89-90. These radios were not given to the Arabs before our own troops, that would defeat the entire idea of us having those NEW radios.

Clinton gave nuclear secrets to China, what makes you believe he didn't give these radios to the Arabs, it IS a democrat article posted on a Conservative website because the Liberal ones would NEVER post this as it would hurt there image. Get a freakin clue...

Clinton a patriot? Hmmmm, he did DODGE the draft and run to Canada-nice patriotism goofball.

Clinton did nothing to create the economic boom!
It was created by the computer age, anyone with ANY common sense knows that. People were replaced in factories by computer controlled robots, this saved companies milion in health care, and wages. Thus we had the boom. Clinton didn't do squat, he ACTUALLY RAISED taxes fool...
 

classy

Lifer
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And I'll tell you something else. These kinds of threads should be locked. This not the time for this ridiculous finger pointing. Especially at our own because we have political and petty differences.
 
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The article needs more converging evidence before it can be taken seriously. All it does is lay the thesis "Clinton's administration gave technology to China, who let it get to terrorist harboring countries."

As for support, it relies on two pieces of evidence:

1) The absence of awareness of the attack proves that the terrorists were using this technology

2) Lietner's statements testifying that Clinton gave this technology away.

The problems that need to be address before this can be taken seriously are:

1) You can't prove something with an 'observed absence'. How do you know that you simply didn't detect it, or if it didn't happen?

2) Rely on Lietner statements rather than chains of evidence, is arguement by authority. It is like me saying that something is true because my father told me so. It may or may not be true. The fact that someone says it is, doesn't mean anything.

3) There is an assumption, that the only source of this technology is from the Clinton administration. That is not likely true. There needs to be evidence that is the case.

4) There is an assumption that the only way this event could of happened was with the use of this technology. That is also not likely.

I for one, don't think this journalism is credible. You may, that is your right, but I urge you to keep this discussion grounded on fact, and the rhetoric down.