THE AIRPORT BOMBER FROM LAST WEEK YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT

[shortylickens]

I just wanted to mention that you're an obnoxious asshole, and ignorant as well.

Everyone is ignorant.
Just on different subjects.

 

[Greenman]

Everyone is ignorant.
Just on different subjects.

True enough, but when you add arrogant ass into the mix it becomes annoying.

 

[Thebobo]

Perhaps I erred in singling out asheville specifically. It is more like the whole state of North Carolina is a shithole full of trump supporters, and asheville is merely located within that shithole state.

Asheville is a pretty progressive city these days.

 

[IronWing]

I'd like to thank USA Today for providing instructions for constructing a bomb. This is probably the most detailed article ever produced by that publication.

 

[J.Wilkins]

From the description in the article it sounds like this guy is not a very competent terrorist. Ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is an extremely insensitive explosive that would require both a secondary and a primary to effectively detonate. You cannot detonate it with nitrocellulose (propellant from shotgun shell) or with matches. There are very few industrial explosives that will detonate from a match strike because if they did, they wouldn't be very useful explosives.


Also, note the skin color. That is why he wasn't charged with terrorism, and instead was charged with some obscure law about improper use of explosives (lol). The lengths the US gov will go to protect a white man from a long prison sentence are amazing.


Finally, note the city. Asheville N.C. is a Trump-supporter bastion. It is also a shithole. No surprises he came from Asheville.

Actually, while ideally you'd use a blast primer set off by a cap it's entirely possible to detonate ANFO with something like a shotgun shell.

The impact is what is needed to set it off.

Personally I'd probably use a smaller amount of a high explosive that is easy enough to make and fairly safe to handle (unlike what most would have you believe, TATP actually fits that description) but a shotgun shell would do just fine.

From the description he probably just went to the pharmacy and got a couple of chill bags (the kind you use to relieve muscle trauma), they come readily made as pellets and even though there are millions of ideas on how to properly mix it the truth is that if you just put it in a strainer with some diesel for an hour it'll be as soaked as it can be.

We used to make these to blow up stumps or remove rocks from grounds back in the day.

 

[feralkid]

Orange county has millions of residents. Of course they have more Trump supporters than asheville.

Pretty sure he meant per capita.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Идио́т or, possibly, الأبله

So a pride flag that flew on one building is proof they aren't Trump supporters? That is a fallacious argument. Perhaps they are more liberal than the typical Trump supporter bastion, but they are still a bastion of Trump support. North Carolina easily went for Trump and Asheville has been the location of one of his most popular rallies. Just look at the pictures of it from the article in my post above.


You guys can scream about Russians and call me names all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Asheville is a Trump-supporting shithole. Maybe they are OK with gay people, that doesn't change the facts. It just makes them a little bit less deplorable.

 

[FIVR]

Actually, while ideally you'd use a blast primer set off by a cap it's entirely possible to detonate ANFO with something like a shotgun shell.

The impact is what is needed to set it off.

Personally I'd probably use a smaller amount of a high explosive that is easy enough to make and fairly safe to handle (unlike what most would have you believe, TATP actually fits that description) but a shotgun shell would do just fine.

From the description he probably just went to the pharmacy and got a couple of chill bags (the kind you use to relieve muscle trauma), they come readily made as pellets and even though there are millions of ideas on how to properly mix it the truth is that if you just put it in a strainer with some diesel for an hour it'll be as soaked as it can be.

We used to make these to blow up stumps or remove rocks from grounds back in the day.

The detonation velocity of the explosive required to set off ANFO highly depends on the type physical configuration of the bomb, whether the ammonium nitrate was prilled, packed, or powdered, and on what fuel oil is used. Using ethylene, methanol, petrol, or lower-density hydrocarbon fuel will increase the sensitivity drastically, while using kerosene or diesel will reduce the sensitivity.

That said, nitrocellulose will not reliably set off most types of ANFO used in bombs. It simply does not have a high enough detonation velocity to do the job consistently. If you knew anything about bombs, you would know that the most important part is that they function reliably. It is no use to have a powerful bomb that might or might not go off when the detonator fires. That is why most bombs and IEDs are built with multiple redundant detonation mechanisms.


Saying that you can set off ANFO with a shotgun shell is technically correct in that certain types and configurations of ANFO could possibly be set off by nitrocellulose... but that doesn't mean anybody competent would ever design an ANFO bomb with just a nitrocellulose primary and no secondary.

 

[J.Wilkins]

The detonation velocity of the explosive required to set off ANFO highly depends on the type physical configuration of the bomb, whether the ammonium nitrate was prilled, packed, or powdered, and on what fuel oil is used. Using ethylene, methanol, petrol, or lower-density hydrocarbon fuel will increase the sensitivity drastically, while using kerosene or diesel will reduce the sensitivity.

That said, nitrocellulose will not reliably set off most types of ANFO used in bombs. It simply does not have a high enough detonation velocity to do the job consistently. If you knew anything about bombs, you would know that the most important part is that they function reliably. It is no use to have a powerful bomb that might or might not go off when the detonator fires. That is why most bombs and IEDs are built with multiple redundant detonation mechanisms.


Saying that you can set off ANFO with a shotgun shell is technically correct in that certain types and configurations of ANFO could possibly be set off by nitrocellulose... but that doesn't mean anybody competent would ever design an ANFO bomb with just a nitrocellulose primary and no secondary.

Actually it doesn't, all you need is a velocity impact on parts of it (get one pellet to go off and you have your secondary primer so to speak) to start the reaction and unlike with binary explosives a shotgun shell is enough.

Using ethylene, methanol, petrol will not yield any result, ethylene and methanol won't work at all since it will dissolve it into methyl or ethyl nitrate groups and petrol won't work either since it would evaporate.

Why are you making this shit up?

The way to make ANFO from AN is to have it in the form of pellets, put it in a strainer or just shove it into a bath with diesel or equvalent fuel OIL (furnace oil will work just fine and all the derivatives that are not highly aromatic will also work) and let it drain, the oil does not dissolve the AN pellets and you want them to dry up, now you have ANFO. Cold packs and diesel woks just fine for this if you are blowing a stump or a stone but be careful, the explosive effect is exponential and it has a very high brisance value which means it will throw materials much father than TNT or RDX would.



Also, modern gunpowder is not nitrocellulose (obviously since gun cotton isn't smokeless in the least) and even if it was the importance here is the impact, not the actual chemical reaction.

I'd still use RDX or TATP though.

 

[FIVR]

Actually it doesn't, all you need is a velocity impact on parts of it (get one pellet to go off and you have your secondary primer so to speak) to start the reaction and unlike with binary explosives a shotgun shell is enough.

Using ethylene, methanol, petrol will not yield any result, ethylene and methanol won't work at all since it will dissolve it into methyl or ethyl nitrate groups and petrol won't work either since it would evaporate.

Why are you making this shit up?

Also, modern gunpowder is not nitrocellulose (obviously since gun cotton isn't smokeless in the least) and even if it was the importance here is the impact, not the actual chemical reaction.

I'd still use RDX or TATP though.

Lol, I'm making shit up? Google "oklahoma city bombing". They used methanol for about 1/8th of the bomb. The rest, they used diesel fuel.


You don't know what you're talking about, but I guess I should've realized that when you tried to claim you would use only a nitrocellulose primer for an ANFO device.


Also, petrol wouldn't "evaporate" any more than methanol. The vapor pressure for those two liquids is quite similar, and obviously if you built a bomb you would encapsulate it in an air tight container... and not leave it as some pile of chemicals. LOL.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Lol, I'm making shit up? Google "oklahoma city bombing". They used methanol for about 1/8th of the bomb. The rest, they used diesel fuel.


You don't know what you're talking about, but I guess I should've realized that when you tried to claim you would use only a nitrocellulose primer for an ANFO device.


Also, petrol wouldn't "evaporate" any more than methanol. The vapor pressure for those two liquids is quite similar, and obviously if you built a bomb you would encapsulate it in an air tight container... and not leave it as some pile of chemicals. LOL.

Ammonium nitrate and methanol will not work, period. Methanol would dissolve the pellets and split it into methyl nitrate groups and release the ammonium as ammonia.

There is a reason why it's ANFO, AmmoniumNitrateFuelOil. Methanol is not a fuel oil and neither is petrol.

You need diesel or similar fuel oil, nothing else will work.

Your ignorance is astoundingly great.

Your claim was about a gun cotton primer, I've never claimed that nor was the bomb in the article created with a gun cotton primer (gun cotton is nitrocellulose).

It's quite clear that you have absolutely no idea what ANFO is, how to make it or how to set it off and it's also very clear that you don't know the difference between gun cotton and a shotgun shell.

 

[sandorski]

Lone Wolf. You can tell by the Pixels RGB range!

 

[FIVR]

Ammonium nitrate and methanol will not work, period. Methanol would dissolve the pellets and split it into methyl nitrate groups and release the ammonium as ammonia.

There is a reason why it's ANFO, AmmoniumNitrateFuelOil. Methanol is not a fuel oil and neither is petrol.

You need diesel or similar fuel oil, nothing else will work.

Your ignorance is astoundingly great.

Your claim was about a gun cotton primer, I've never claimed that nor was the bomb in the article created with a gun cotton primer (gun cotton is nitrocellulose).

It's quite clear that you have absolutely no idea what ANFO is, how to make it or how to set it off and it's also very clear that you don't know the difference between gun cotton and a shotgun shell.

In October 1994, McVeigh showed Michael Fortier and his wife, Lori, a diagram he had drawn of the bomb he wanted to build.[41] McVeigh planned to construct a bomb containing more than 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, mixed with about 1,200 pounds (540 kg) of liquid nitromethane and 350 pounds (160 kg) of Tovex. Including the weight of the sixteen 55-U.S.-gallon drums in which the explosive mixture was to be packed, the bomb would have a combined weight of about 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg).[42] McVeigh had originally intended to use hydrazine rocket fuel, but it proved to be too expensive.[36] Posing as a motorcycle racer, McVeigh obtained three 55-U.S.-gallon (46 imp gal; 210 L) drums of nitromethane on the pretense that he and some fellow bikers needed the fuel for racing.[43]

They used nitromethane, which is not "fuel oil". You don't know what you're talking about, but you keep talking. "Fuel oil" is just a term used to describe hydrocarbon fuel, which includes short chain hydrocarbons like methanol, ethanol, and petrol. Nitromethane can also be used. MANY different things qualify as "fuel oil" in the making of an ANFO device because the oxidizer is already present (as air and Ammonium nitrate).


But keep on pretending you know what you're talking about, it is pretty funny.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Lone Wolf. You can tell by the Pixels RGB range!

These are probably handed out to help with just such occasions

 

[Thump553]

It is interesting that it didn't really hit the news, at least on one of the 24/7 news channels. Best I can figure is too many other stories dominating the news (California fires, Trump sabotaging health care, Trump starting to sabotage the Iran nuclear deal, Trump negotiating in bad faith on NAFTA, DACA, etc,, Puerto Rico continued stories about the ineffective assistance, several Cabinet level scandals re gouging the taxpayers for private flights, etc). It has been a busy news cycle recently.

Odds are Faux News ignored it because was a white wacko and the FBI and Homeland Security did a good job. A factor in all three ignoring it was they caught him before blowing it up/killing someone.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ban airports.

 

[J.Wilkins]

They used nitromethane, which is not "fuel oil". You don't know what you're talking about, but you keep talking. "Fuel oil" is just a term used to describe hydrocarbon fuel, which includes short chain hydrocarbons like methanol, ethanol, and petrol. Nitromethane can also be used. MANY different things qualify as "fuel oil" in the making of an ANFO device because the oxidizer is already present (as air and Ammonium nitrate).


But keep on pretending you know what you're talking about, it is pretty funny.

Ummm... Nitromethane is race fuel, it's not ANFO but it is explosive all in itself.

No, you can't mix nitromethane and ammonium nitrate to make ANFO.

I don't get it, a man of any form of intelligence would admit to being wrong but you keep on going.

You don't actually have to add anything to AN, it's explosive all on it's own since the nitrate is the fuel and the ammonia the oxidizer, that is enough on it's own. The reason you soak it in a heavy oil is to add fuel. Nitromethane would work great next to it (actually it wouldn't, you'd want something like gasoline or a few sacks of bolts and nuts to do damage) but you can't use it to make ANFO.

There is no discussion to be had on this subject what so ever, you don't understand the base chemistry and have no idea what anfo, shotgun shells, nitrocellulose, ethylene, methanol and nitromethane is.

You are a child flailing and you've gone from one thing to another to the next, to the next and to the next and in reality he had ANFO prepared, anything other than that was extra and not involved with the ANFO.

I'm done with you now, kid.

 

[FIVR]

Ummm... Nitromethane is race fuel, it's not ANFO but it is explosive all in itself.

No, you can't mix nitromethane and ammonium nitrate to make ANFO.

I don't get it, a man of any form of intelligence would admit to being wrong but you keep on going.

You don't actually have to add anything to AN, it's explosive all on it's own since the nitrate is the fuel and the ammonia the oxidizer, that is enough on it's own. The reason you soak it in a heavy oil is to add fuel. Nitromethane would work great next to it (actually it wouldn't, you'd want something like gasoline or a few sacks of bolts and nuts to do damage) but you can't use it to make ANFO.

There is no discussion to be had on this subject what so ever, you don't understand the base chemistry and have no idea what anfo, shotgun shells, nitrocellulose, ethylene, methanol and nitromethane is.

You are a child flailing and you've gone from one thing to another to the next, to the next and to the next and in reality he had ANFO prepared, anything other than that was extra and not involved with the ANFO.

I'm done with you now, kid.

Now you are just arguing semantics. You admit though that you can mix many different fuels with AN and make explosives, but you harp on some special distinction between "ANFO" and AN + nitromethane/methanol/ethanol/etc.


THERE IS NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE. But please, by all means, do not quote me again because I have no interest in arguing with you about semantics. You were wrong that ANFO can only be fuel oil (as I showed with the example of an ANFO bomb using nitromethane)... so you degenerate into pedantry. That's fine... but it doesn't change the fact that I was correct.

 

[brandonbull]

Now you are just arguing semantics. You admit though that you can mix many different fuels with AN and make explosives, but you harp on some special distinction between "ANFO" and AN + nitromethane/methanol/ethanol/etc.


THERE IS NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE. But please, by all means, do not quote me again because I have no interest in arguing with you about semantics. You were wrong that ANFO can only be fuel oil (as I showed with the example of an ANFO bomb using nitromethane)... so you degenerate into pedantry. That's fine... but it doesn't change the fact that I was correct.

Let's see the qualifications of the debating parties so we can judge who is full 'o crap.

 

[zinfamous]

From the description in the article it sounds like this guy is not a very competent terrorist. Ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is an extremely insensitive explosive that would require both a secondary and a primary to effectively detonate. You cannot detonate it with nitrocellulose (propellant from shotgun shell) or with matches. There are very few industrial explosives that will detonate from a match strike because if they did, they wouldn't be very useful explosives.


Also, note the skin color. That is why he wasn't charged with terrorism, and instead was charged with some obscure law about improper use of explosives (lol). The lengths the US gov will go to protect a white man from a long prison sentence are amazing.


Finally, note the city. Asheville N.C. is a Trump-supporter bastion. It is also a shithole. No surprises he came from Asheville.

lolno.

 

[Indus]

Ok the New York Daily News finally published it.. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...s-attempting-airport-attack-article-1.3566419

Still no ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC, MSNBC, FOX.. wth is this?

 

[bshole]

Sounds more like a retard than a terrorist, but he should still be treated like one.

Are you prejudiced against retarded terrorists? Bigot....

 

[zinfamous]

I'd like to thank USA Today for providing instructions for constructing a bomb. This is probably the most detailed article ever produced by that publication.

I was thinking the same thing. very strange

 

[1sikbITCH]

Has anybody explained what war he wanted to fight, who against whom? Was this another neo-nazi?

It seems from the outside that the dude read too many white nationalist websites, got radicalized, and made his play. Probably should expect a lot more of this. People have no idea how fucked up these guys are. They have this idea that starting a war on US soil will create conditions conducive to ethnic cleansing. You know how they burn a field once in a while so new plants can grow? This is the goal. Just like the Nazis, the use of torches is highly symbolic. Scorch the earth, burn out your enemies, and a new, pure, America will emerge. Charlottesville cops allowing the KKK leader to shoot at black people right in front of them proves they have some support from LEO and of course Trump give those very fine people his blessing as well. There is a sense of entitlement like "this is our time".

Meanwhile Dylan Roof still sits patiently in a cell awaiting word that he has been pardoned and the new government has his cabinet position waiting for him. Everything going as planned 😀

 

[Fern]

-snip-

Also, note the skin color. That is why he wasn't charged with terrorism, and instead was charged with some obscure law about improper use of explosives (lol). The lengths the US gov will go to protect a white man from a long prison sentence are amazing.


Finally, note the city. Asheville N.C. is a Trump-supporter bastion. It is also a shithole. No surprises he came from Asheville.

I live nearby. On a good day I can pick up Asheville's AM talk radio channel. Asheville is considered the San Fransisco of the East coast. It's city politics is more akin to that of Berkley CA than anything else.

Trump would chose Asheville not because it's conservative (it isn't) but because it's at the intersection of 2 interstates, I-40 and I-26. This allows not only for people to attend from other, more conservative counties of Western NC, but also Eastern TN, upstate SC and Northern GA. It is also the largest city in Western NC and therefor the only place with the facilities to hold even a medium size rally.

I would imagine that the reason larger media outlets didn't pick up on it right away is because it wasn't listed as terrorism. Had he been charged with terrorism I think it might have been noticed. I rather doubt that CNN etc scan the local Asheville (and other nearby towns') newspaper. In any case this doesn't seem unusual. Seems many similar instances get varying coverage:

For the first few days, this story received little attention outside of North Carolina. Now, it has been brought to the national spotlight, largely because Shaun King, a columnist for the Intercept, wrote about Estes on Wednesday.

Every year, law enforcement officers in America make multiple arrests over improvised explosive device plots or incidents in which no one was actually injured. The level of news coverage, as King notes, can vary enormously.

Here's a sample of such incidents from this year:

• In February, Adam Hayat allegedly made several explosive devices and left them at a hotel in downtown Denver, scrawling "explosives" on a closet door mirror. He was later arrested in Los Angeles. His federal case is ongoing.
• Also in February, a Florida man named Mark Barnett allegedly created improvised explosives to plant in Target stores along the East Coast as part of a profit-driven bomb plot. Someone he allegedly attempted to recruit to his plot turned Barnett into authorities and he was charged in federal court; his federal case is ongoing.
• In July, Luke Mullen was arrested after allegedly making bomb threats against the Colorado Springs Airport; police say he had four explosive devices and a machete inside his vehicle.
• Also in July, a blast outside the Bixby Air Force Recruitment Office in Oklahoma caused property damage but no injuries. Benjamin Roden, a former airman, was arrested and is facing federal charges in connection with the incident.
• In August, Elijah Blankenship in Ohio was arrested and charged with creating multiple homemade explosives. His arrest came shortly before an anti-racist vigil in honor of the victims of the Charlottesville, Va., attack, but court records don't indicate whether there was a connection to the event.
• In September, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that Douglas Kennedy of Tifton, Ga., was charged with manufacturing explosive devices after a bomb went off in the parking lot of the Tift Regional Medical Center; no one was injured. Kennedy had allegedly constructed and detonated at least three other bombs, none of which hurt anybody.
• Earlier this month the FBI unsealed charges against three alleged ISIS supporters accused of plotting attacks in New York City in the summer of 2016. The alleged plot, which involved improvised explosive devices, was foiled by law enforcement, the FBI says.

In each of those instances, an apparent plot was never carried out to completion; if a bomb did go off, no one was hurt. None of those stories made headlines here at NPR.org.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-be-airport-bombing-nabbed-with-help-from-rei

I imagine once it's figured out whether he's a left-wing nut, or a right-wing nut, we can expect to see more coverage (e.g., Fox if he's the former, the others if he's the latter).

Why he wasn't charged with more serious crimes by the Asheville PD/Sheriff's Dept is a mystery to me. Heck, the teenager living across the street from me was charged with having a 'weapon of mass destruction' merely for having a container of black powder in his bedroom (the local cops busted him for having a joint and then searched his family's house). But then again, I don't live in Asheville or that county.

Also I don't think it should be assumed that he is from Asheville. Asheville attracts a lot of transients and outsiders. There are a lot of homeless and squatters etc.

Fern