My definition of terrorism is different from yours. With your definition, everybody is a terrorist. Iraq is a terrorist for killing so many Iranians in the Iran/Iraq War. Iran is a terrorist for killing so many Iraqis in return. Japan, Germany, Italy etc were terrorists in WW2. So were the US, England, France, Russia for fighting back. Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc were terrorists when they attacked the newly formed Israel. Israel is a terrorist for fighting back.
For me, I make a distinction in times of war. The rules are a little different for war time. When the war is over, we go back to the usual rules. At this point, I think terrorists usually have the following characteristics:
1) They are a small minority of the population. They don't really represent any country. They don't really have an army.
2) They specifically target civilians.
3) They usually have some sort of political agenda like establishing a new rule or new independent country yet they don't really represent the majority of the population.
The IRA fits the example of a terrorist group to me. Same with the Basque separatists. Same with Hamas.
There's a fine hazy line between freedom fighter and terrorists, like you said. My definition of freedom fighter would be someone who doesn't specifically target civilians. Instead they go after military targets. I think the Iraqi insurgency are mostly freedom fighters (but they have been infiltrated with a lot of foreign terrorists).
For me you can call Sharon a brutal occupier but I don't consider him a terrorist. Same with Saddam. Saddam was a brutal ruler but to me, he was not a terrorist. And George Bush is not a terrorist in my definition.
I think this redefinition of "terrorism" is similar to the redefinition of racism that I recently heard. According to some people, racism can only occur with people in power -- therefore blacks cannot be racists. because white people are in power.
There is a very real problem that most of today's terrorists are Islamic terrorists. I think some people are trying to hide this by changing the definition so that everybody is a terrorist.
I really wish society would stop sympathizing with terrorists. It's a political method that doesn't seem to work. All it does is make life miserable for everyone.
I am absolutely convinced that if Israel didn't have to worry about suicide bombings then there would be no "humilating checkpoints", no bulldozing of houses, and life would be so much better for the Palestinians.
I am absolutely convinced that the method of peaceful protests works. It worked for the civil rights movement in the US. It worked with the anti-aparteid movement in South Africa.
I have never seen the method of terrorism work. So why glorify it in some cultures? All it does is make the Palestinians seem less human to me. If all the suicide bombings would stop, then it would be much harder to crack down on Israel to abide by the UN. It's hard for me to go up to Israel and say, "Hey, stop it with those humilating checkpoints and let the Palestinians live their lives in dignity" when I can fully understand why they have those checkpoints.
Israel became a nation as a result of the UN partion plan of 1947.
The Jews actually got 77% less land than they were promised under the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 San Remo Conference.
So, of the approximately 5.4 million square miles of land from the old Ottoman Empire that was divided among the Arabs and the Jews , Jews got less than 0.23% of the land.
I'm failing to see the connection with religion.
Arab
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
Arab
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
Arab
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
Arab
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
1. Used to refer to any nationality or ethnicity that the US might be attacking, or will attack soon, which is in the "Middle East." (See region between Yemen and Afghanistan-Pakistan)
Also refers to the group of people who preserved the contents of the ancient Greek library of Alexandria, preserved and improved upon the works of Pythagoras, Xenophon, invented the set of ideologies used for modern Western medicine, and also created the best and most efficent plumbing systems known to man.
2.Phrase, used to refer to these same people who-- while the Europeans (who were stuck in the Dark Ages), and didn't even know the concept of "Zero," (due to the Catholic Church)-- continued a streak of intense learning and cultural progressivism that lasted several centuries longer than the European Renaissance.
3. Phrase meant for a people who had a plumbing system that put the Greek and Roman's pipes to shame. And they used it to make water fountains, baths (for taking showers and getting clean) and toilets, all without the use of a single pumping engine.
4. A phrase used by those who need to be told the truth, that without the intense mathematical research of the Arabs, concepts of calculus would never have been invented, and Marco Polo would never have gone to China (along an Arab trade route) to discover gun powder, which so many Americans like to say they'll use on said Towel Heads.
Let's stay with one thought at a time.
The Jews are entitled to the land based on international agreements, not religion.
Putting your hatred of religion aside for a moment, do you agree or disagree?
I disagree. Riprorin is a Jew.
---
I disagree. MiLLeRBoY is a bigot. Good bye.
AnandTech Moderator
---
I disagree. MiLLeRBoY is a bigot. Good bye.
AnandTech Moderator
I'm a Christian.
If you want to improve people's perception of Arabs, I think it would be more useful to work towards ending the violence against innocent civilians than by reciting Arab accomplishments.
What then makes them a Jew?[/quote]
A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.
Judaism 101: Who is a Jew
Maybe there are some Jews here who can confirm this.
peonyu
Platinum Member
- Mar 12, 2003
- 2,038
- 23
- 81
From how i understand it, Muslims were invading Christian nations left and right before the Crusades began, such as the invasion of Spain, Sicily, Byzantium, Greece, Southern France and others. The Crusades were launched in retaliation to those invasions, so bringing up the crusades as a example of christian brutality is ridiculous.
MadRat
Lifer
- Oct 14, 1999
- 12,007
- 314
- 126
Christianity and the Ecclesiastic period of Europe are exclusive concepts not understood by Muslims let alone any other non-christian. It was a period of time where public law and canon law were pretty much one and the same, only they had little to do with real christianity. I really don't think Christ would have ever formed serfdoms or lordships to promote The Word.
actually crazy atheists have caused more damage.
stalin, mao, pol-pot...etc. have caused more deaths than any "religious" war.
being ethnically semitic, speaking a semitic language(and variants)
what makes israel "jewish" land?
1. the region known as "palestine" got it's name when the romans renamed the province of judea to palestina in 135ad.
2. the people of ancient philistia were not even semitic, much less arabs. the word "philistine" actually means "sea invader or invader"
3. ever since the diaspora, jews have been living in israel. not many, but even as late as the early-mid 1800's people such as mark twain attest to the desolation and lack of habitation of "palestine". point being not many people at all arab or jew lived there until the jews bgan returning and making the land arable again.
i like your multiple posts of what an Arab is, and then your one line post saying that Islam is peaceful.
care to add any substance?
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter