Chiefcrowe
Diamond Member
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pu...t_20070810_002683.html
it's sad that we can't even get close to what other countries have!!!
it's sad that we can't even get close to what other countries have!!!
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The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen.
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LOL, Yeah the main problem of the American Public is that there is Not enough Internet activities.
May be if there would be less Internet, student would spend more time learning instead of the useless IM.
Workers can be more productive gaining the time they spend looking into sleazy celebs live on the Internet, and might get us out of the current mess.
May be if there would be less Internet, student would spend more time learning instead of the useless IM.
Workers can be more productive gaining the time they spend looking into sleazy celebs live on the Internet, and might get us out of the current mess.
They are making massive upgrades in infrastructure just to keep up with the growth. Bandwidth/capacity isn't free.
If you are being "throttled" it because you represent a very disproportionate amount of the capacity. For the ultra low cheap prices consumer broadband has you can't expect to run it to full capacity all the time.
Restrictive to do what?
Those who need fast Internet for science, research, technology. Medical and other activities that are important to mankind have fast Internet.
Otherwise, what are you missing, faster spam (over 90% of email traffic is spam).
Or ISP's that have to restrict excessive traffic that is mostly consumed by p2p copyrighted material (AKA Pirating).
Let say (as an intellectual exercise) that there would be law forbidding the use of the Internet for transferring music and Movies.
What would really happen to mankind. One can think that human advancement and happiness was lacking because we did not have enough music and movies before they were available over the Internet.
Let me make an analogy.
If water (H2O) would tomorrow disappear from the planet it would mean the end of our live as we know, but if Coke (the soft drink) would disappear, we would sad but live would go on without any serious consequences.
Similarly is the aspect of the Internet that most people are talking about.
Those who need fast Internet for science, research, technology. Medical and other activities that are important to mankind have fast Internet.
Otherwise, what are you missing, faster spam (over 90% of email traffic is spam).
Or ISP's that have to restrict excessive traffic that is mostly consumed by p2p copyrighted material (AKA Pirating).
Let say (as an intellectual exercise) that there would be law forbidding the use of the Internet for transferring music and Movies.
What would really happen to mankind. One can think that human advancement and happiness was lacking because we did not have enough music and movies before they were available over the Internet.
Let me make an analogy.
If water (H2O) would tomorrow disappear from the planet it would mean the end of our live as we know, but if Coke (the soft drink) would disappear, we would sad but live would go on without any serious consequences.
Similarly is the aspect of the Internet that most people are talking about.
It's just not high-end users anymore.
It could be anyone during peak hours.
And these speeds being sold are relatively slow when compared to many other countries.
They will even specifically target VOIP, unless of course you buy theirs.
(Of course they are not trying to get you to switch)
Personally, I'm not being throttled because I don't use Cable.
Luckily I have a DSL provider that provides a relatively fast and reliable connection.
(About 12Mbs vs 8Mbs advertised by my Cable Company.)
However, I pay extra for the higher rated speed and they give it to me.
The Cable Companies charge extra for the higher speed and then smack you down if you use it. Don't blame the customer who is paying a higher fee to get the "high speed" cable and then wants to use it when they want to use it. I don't think they signed up for "High Speed Cable 2am-6am."
It could be anyone during peak hours.
And these speeds being sold are relatively slow when compared to many other countries.
They will even specifically target VOIP, unless of course you buy theirs.
(Of course they are not trying to get you to switch)
Personally, I'm not being throttled because I don't use Cable.
Luckily I have a DSL provider that provides a relatively fast and reliable connection.
(About 12Mbs vs 8Mbs advertised by my Cable Company.)
However, I pay extra for the higher rated speed and they give it to me.
The Cable Companies charge extra for the higher speed and then smack you down if you use it. Don't blame the customer who is paying a higher fee to get the "high speed" cable and then wants to use it when they want to use it. I don't think they signed up for "High Speed Cable 2am-6am."
How about VOIP?
Steaming Movies such as NetFlix (Legal)
How About Business Uses? ( Some Days I download 50+ GB of DATA for my home office for a major Int'l Software Company)
How About Training Videos?
Video Conferencing?
Oh I could go on.
There are many Legal Uses that make heavy use of the internet.
Steaming Movies such as NetFlix (Legal)
How About Business Uses? ( Some Days I download 50+ GB of DATA for my home office for a major Int'l Software Company)
How About Training Videos?
Video Conferencing?
Oh I could go on.
There are many Legal Uses that make heavy use of the internet.
True, VOIP is not a Heavy Hitter for Traffic.
However, Comcast is still throttling it unless you use Comcast's VOIP.
http://hothardware.com/News/Co...r-VOIP-Net-Management/
However, Comcast is still throttling it unless you use Comcast's VOIP.
http://hothardware.com/News/Co...r-VOIP-Net-Management/
Sorry but you Equating paying for faster Internet as a permission/mean to download more junk and more Junk.
I download a lot of legal professional material. Having faster connection does not increase the amount of my monthly download, it just decrease the time that I have to tie my systems with the download.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
Comcast's own "Digital Voice" service doesn't travel over their internet pipes to the customer like other VOIP providers, it gets a seperate channel on the CPE.
But the issue is that because other VOIP providers travel over their standard internet pipes, then they will be throttled according to Comcast's newly-installed throttling system.
The FCC is now looking at the issue as one of anti-competitiveness. Which they should.
Yes, understood.
This highlights why net-neutrality is a bad idea all around. You can't provide advanced services (voice, video) and advanced data communications if all packets are treated the same. You kill quality of service, you kill the internet. Not to mention in this case it's not even the same circuit/path.
It's not a big dump truck. Most all triple play offerings use different facilities to provide you with this cheap voice/video/data.
Define Junk?
AFAIK, Most of the TOS agreements do not include a "Bandwidth" Limit.
Rather they are restricting the use of your "High Speed" connection to off-hours, which could be the wee hours of the morning.
And Paying more for the higher download speed will not reduce the amount of time it takes to download, if you download during the day or evening in someplaces because the ISP has over-sold it's capacity.
The fact is, many other industrialized nations have much stronger internet backbones than we have and make a much heavier use of the Internet at much lower rates.
I'm not buying the, "Americans over-use the Internet" and we need to cut eliminate Video from sites like CNN/Yahoo, etc.. to fix our problems.
AFAIK, Most of the TOS agreements do not include a "Bandwidth" Limit.
Rather they are restricting the use of your "High Speed" connection to off-hours, which could be the wee hours of the morning.
And Paying more for the higher download speed will not reduce the amount of time it takes to download, if you download during the day or evening in someplaces because the ISP has over-sold it's capacity.
The fact is, many other industrialized nations have much stronger internet backbones than we have and make a much heavier use of the Internet at much lower rates.
I'm not buying the, "Americans over-use the Internet" and we need to cut eliminate Video from sites like CNN/Yahoo, etc.. to fix our problems.
krnmastersgt
Platinum Member
over-use the internet might be a bad way to put it but you have to remember, in this country especially, investors control the companies. Think of this from a business standpoint, if people are only getting 2.5mbps off their 5mbps lines and don't know it, they'll upgrade the speed meaning more money for what you've already promised. Also if people are willing to pay $60 for a 4mbps line as opposed to a 20mbps line which a foreign country might have, why spend money upgrading the infrastructure at all and just shaft them with what's cheaper to you?
And how do they protect themselves from people who notice the difference in their connection? They just allow you to use the full bandwidth you paid for if you happen to complain to the company, they don't really lose any money by doing so and the vast majority of people are overpaying for their underrated connection speeds. Again, ignorance is the most profitable tool there is.
Lemon law
Lifer
I agree and the article makes it clear, we are paying these telco's not to deliver what they should and we are getting ripped off.
IT STINKS.
We can and should be doing better, much much much better, but we are allowing telco profits instead of intelligent design to make decisions. THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE.
If the telco will not use intelligent design as the guiding principles, then find new telco's that will, and the hell with those that do not.
Hopefully President Obama will get things moving again, and start lighting fires under a lot of dead butts at the FCC.
Why are idiots on this thread debating how intelligently users will use a faster internet
that we should all have in the first place? Those decisions on regulating usage can be made later.
IT STINKS.
We can and should be doing better, much much much better, but we are allowing telco profits instead of intelligent design to make decisions. THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE.
If the telco will not use intelligent design as the guiding principles, then find new telco's that will, and the hell with those that do not.
Hopefully President Obama will get things moving again, and start lighting fires under a lot of dead butts at the FCC.
Why are idiots on this thread debating how intelligently users will use a faster internet
that we should all have in the first place? Those decisions on regulating usage can be made later.
VOIP isnt high bandwidth.
Have to wait and see. Streaming video from sources not the cable company is one of the few worries imo that is legit.
And I bet if you looked at your bill it isnt 39.99\month either. I have a 10Mbps line at home and pay 45 bucks a month. I have a 10mbps line at work and pay close to 400. The service level is different of course. My home line is subject to congestion and downtime. My work line has an SLA that gurantee's uptimes and bandwidth. For that I pay 10x the cost.
You usually pay extra for video conferencing and have special equipment.
thecoolnessrune
Diamond Member
Umm yeah.. He just delayed our digital transition another 4 months. Getting the FCC "moving" is the last thing on his list..
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