The 15-year old kid is brain dead

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
How about if his mom actually took action in stopping bullies at school? If his mom took as much action in stopping bullies at school as you practicing your religion, I'm sure things would have worked out far better, or if the mom took the kid to another school.

Dude, I agree. But thats not a good longterm solution to dealing with life/issues.
I dont believe in running, and I dont believe in impeding someones self reliance to deal with issues like these. Ya his mom had a responsibility to help him, and your idea would work, but its really temporary. She cant be there forever, hes going to have to become a strong man.. I just happen to believe a strong man is made strong through Christ.

With Christ, as he developed into a man, he would not need someone to bail him out, he'd have the strength and Holy Spirit to guide him.

You are made stronger without everyone taking a stab at your self esteem all the time.
Works both ways. And high school bullies end usually at.. yes the end of high school.

and at the same time, you are also made stronger when you can stand up to people who try and bully you every day. as you say, it works both ways.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
How about if his mom actually took action in stopping bullies at school? If his mom took as much action in stopping bullies at school as you practicing your religion, I'm sure things would have worked out far better, or if the mom took the kid to another school.

Dude, I agree. But thats not a good longterm solution to dealing with life/issues.
I dont believe in running, and I dont believe in impeding someones self reliance to deal with issues like these. Ya his mom had a responsibility to help him, and your idea would work, but its really temporary. She cant be there forever, hes going to have to become a strong man.. I just happen to believe a strong man is made strong through Christ.

With Christ, as he developed into a man, he would not need someone to bail him out, he'd have the strength and Holy Spirit to guide him.

You are made stronger without everyone taking a stab at your self esteem all the time.
Works both ways. And high school bullies end usually at.. yes the end of high school.

and at the same time, you are also made stronger when you can stand up to people who try and bully you every day. as you say, it works both ways.

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence. But he needed the strength to either look these kids in the eyes and ignore them, knowing their insignificance.. if they didnt stop, the strength to bash their heads in.
Theres nothing un-Christian about that. You turn the other cheek, but you defend yourself when necessary. I personally wouldnt have recommended he hit anyone as it was unnecessary, verbal bullies can be dealt with psychologically.

If he was being phsyically abused, with faith, God or an angel would have given him the strength to destroy his enemies.
Instead, he did indeed pwn himself. 🙁 Distance from the Creator is self destruction in itself.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Rampage

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence.

Pffft. Crusades. We just fake like they didn't happen?

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Rampage

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence.

Pffft. Crusades. We just fake like they didn't happen?

Im not the guy whose going to sit here and defend other actions taken by people hundreds of years ago.
What you speak of had no relevance to the word of Jesus when he was on earth, and has no relevance to his word today. I guess I fail to see the point.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Rampage
I guess I fail to see the point.

Which is why I am not going to argue.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Rampage
I guess I fail to see the point.

Which is why I am not going to argue.

No, its because you dont have a point. You are drudging up stupid BS in a sad attempt to troll on Christianity.
Give up the Crusades BS as if it has any connection to anything besides the fact that people will be people and do stupid sh*t.

When you offer something that has to do with the word of God, you'll have a point about Christianity.. the catholic church has no monopoly on God.. though I'm sure you'd scream with glee if they did so you could further your anti-Christian bigotry.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Rampage
No, its because you dont have a point. You are drudging up stupid BS in a sad attempt to troll on Christianity.
Give up the Crusades BS as if it has any connection to anything besides the fact that people will be people and do stupid sh*t.

No, that is not the reason. The reason is because this is OT, not P&N. I generally don't 'troll', I try to point out holes in what people are saying, be it religious or not. I have no problem with Christianity, any other religion, or lack thereof.

If I wanted to have a political or religous argument, I would go visit P&N.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Rampage
No, its because you dont have a point. You are drudging up stupid BS in a sad attempt to troll on Christianity.
Give up the Crusades BS as if it has any connection to anything besides the fact that people will be people and do stupid sh*t.

No, that is not the reason. The reason is because this is OT, not P&N. I generally don't 'troll', I try to point out holes in what people are saying, be it religious or not. I have no problem with Christianity, any other religion, or lack thereof.

If I wanted to have a political or religous argument, I would go visit P&N.

Sure. And I'd agree in earnest if you hadnt posted this-

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Rampage

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence.

Pffft. Crusades. We just fake like they didn't happen?

Who started a religous argument, or attempted too?
I deflected you early on, saying that I'm not going to be the guy who sits here and defends some Europeans actions 1000 years ago.. it doesnt even make sense.. to defend it, nor even bring it up.. its completely irrelevant to the topic, and to Christianity in general.

It might be appropriate in a thread about the Catholic church?

edit to add- I'm dropping it though, i got my basic point across about the situation.
i respect your opinion.

 

[Leper Messiah]

another emo kids bites the dust.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: aidanjm
he wasn't a man, he was a 15 year old teenage boy. Hence he didn't have the coping skills or resources of an adult, and wasn't able to "tough it out". Criticising him for that is stupid. Turning this kid into the "bad guy" is a way of avoiding the fact that 'our' society let him down by allowing his mental illness or depression to fester untreated, by allowing him to be bullied, and so on.

I find it very comforting that someone else on this forum has an understanding of mental illnesses. Thank you.

I share the same views, but I choose not to post in these types of thread usually. I'm not too good with debating. But, I agree with you both.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Rock Hydra

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: aidanjm
he wasn't a man, he was a 15 year old teenage boy. Hence he didn't have the coping skills or resources of an adult, and wasn't able to "tough it out". Criticising him for that is stupid. Turning this kid into the "bad guy" is a way of avoiding the fact that 'our' society let him down by allowing his mental illness or depression to fester untreated, by allowing him to be bullied, and so on.

I find it very comforting that someone else on this forum has an understanding of mental illnesses. Thank you.

I share the same views, but I choose not to post in these types of thread usually. I'm not too good with debating. But, I agree with you both.

🙂

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
he wasn't a man, he was a 15 year old teenage boy. Hence he didn't have the coping skills or resources of an adult, and wasn't able to "tough it out". Criticising him for that is stupid. Turning this kid into the "bad guy" is a way of avoiding the fact that 'our' society let him down by allowing his mental illness or depression to fester untreated, by allowing him to be bullied, and so on.

Society only let him down if he asked for help and didn't receive it. Who knows if he did that?

 

[Rock Hydra]

Although if this kid could form a coherent thought, I'm sure that he'd be pissed that he's still alive. I know if I tried to kill myself and lived, I wouldn't be happy.

 

[Xylitol]

Originally posted by: Rock Hydra
Although if this kid could form a coherent thought, I'm sure that he'd be pissed that he's still alive. I know if I tried to kill myself and lived, I wouldn't be happy.

But he cant form a coherent thought :shrug;

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: Rampage

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence.

Pffft. Crusades. We just fake like they didn't happen?

no one said christians were perfect. please take the flamebait to P&N

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: aidanjm
he wasn't a man, he was a 15 year old teenage boy. Hence he didn't have the coping skills or resources of an adult, and wasn't able to "tough it out". Criticising him for that is stupid. Turning this kid into the "bad guy" is a way of avoiding the fact that 'our' society let him down by allowing his mental illness or depression to fester untreated, by allowing him to be bullied, and so on.

Society only let him down if he asked for help and didn't receive it. Who knows if he did that?

IMO we, collectively/ as a society, have a duty of care to children until they reach adulthood and are capable of making descisions for themselves and looking after themselves. That means taking action if children are being abused, offering medical treatment if kids are sick, etc., as well as more mundane things like providing access to education in a safe environment. Fact is, this kid was not provided with a safe environment in which to attend his classes. He was exposed to repeated/ long-term bullying & the school is criminally negligent with regards to this situation imo. Also, he was displaying obvious red flags for depression/ suicidal behavior for apparently months and months. The failure of teachers and his parents to intervene is very disturbing.

BTW I don't think your rhetoric of "personal responsibility" is relevant in this situation where we are talking about a CHILD (a child who is mentally/ emotionally unwell for that matter). We don't expect adult levels of maturity and responsibility from children or teenagers.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
How about if his mom actually took action in stopping bullies at school? If his mom took as much action in stopping bullies at school as you practicing your religion, I'm sure things would have worked out far better, or if the mom took the kid to another school.

Dude, I agree. But thats not a good longterm solution to dealing with life/issues.
I dont believe in running, and I dont believe in impeding someones self reliance to deal with issues like these. Ya his mom had a responsibility to help him, and your idea would work, but its really temporary. She cant be there forever, hes going to have to become a strong man.. I just happen to believe a strong man is made strong through Christ.

With Christ, as he developed into a man, he would not need someone to bail him out, he'd have the strength and Holy Spirit to guide him.

You are made stronger without everyone taking a stab at your self esteem all the time.
Works both ways. And high school bullies end usually at.. yes the end of high school.

and at the same time, you are also made stronger when you can stand up to people who try and bully you every day. as you say, it works both ways.

I agree with this. From a Christian perspective, its not right to love violence. But he needed the strength to either look these kids in the eyes and ignore them, knowing their insignificance.. if they didnt stop, the strength to bash their heads in.
Theres nothing un-Christian about that. You turn the other cheek, but you defend yourself when necessary. I personally wouldnt have recommended he hit anyone as it was unnecessary, verbal bullies can be dealt with psychologically.

If he was being phsyically abused, with faith, God or an angel would have given him the strength to destroy his enemies.
Instead, he did indeed pwn himself. 🙁 Distance from the Creator is self destruction in itself.

I agree that one should just ignore verbal abuse, but this isn't just a few bullies saying nasty stuff to him, and he's getting suicidal over it. It's EVERYONE. He has no friends. He's an outcast to his world. Everyone treats him like dirt. You can't just ignore that and be fine. It's going to take a hit on him. Hey religion may have helped, but then again, he might not care about a holy spirit and what not, and just wants some companionship, or someone who cares about you. One of the worst feelings in the world is to not even have one that gives two shits about you. I don't think some imaginary friend like God would help too much.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: aidanjm
he wasn't a man, he was a 15 year old teenage boy. Hence he didn't have the coping skills or resources of an adult, and wasn't able to "tough it out". Criticising him for that is stupid. Turning this kid into the "bad guy" is a way of avoiding the fact that 'our' society let him down by allowing his mental illness or depression to fester untreated, by allowing him to be bullied, and so on.

Society only let him down if he asked for help and didn't receive it. Who knows if he did that?

IMO we, collectively/ as a society, have a duty of care to children until they reach adulthood and are capable of making descisions for themselves and looking after themselves. That means taking action if children are being abused, offering medical treatment if kids are sick, etc., as well as more mundane things like providing access to education in a safe environment. Fact is, this kid was not provided with a safe environment in which to attend his classes. He was exposed to repeated/ long-term bullying & the school is criminally negligent with regards to this situation imo. Also, he was displaying obvious red flags for depression/ suicidal behavior for apparently months and months. The failure of teachers and his parents to intervene is very disturbing.

BTW your insipid, thoughtless rhetoric of "personal responsibility" is bogus even when applied to adults, but to apply it to a CHILD who is mentally/ emotionally unwell is pretty ****** UP even for ATOT.

:thumbsup: WELL SAID!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yeah you're a tough bully too huh? That's exactly what bullies' attitudes are, that they need to show their toughness. Well obviously this kid wasn't just made fun of. He was terrorized every day at school, where he has been beaten up just for talking. There's a clear difference between the two. It's your fvcking attitude that makes these kids feel so helpless, because when they go search for help, they are basically told to tough it out.
Maybe you are the one that should free some of the valuable space you are taking up..[/

lol, I'm a bully? I was bullied too but didn't take it out on innocent students. Instead I just bashed their faces with a soda can.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yeah you're a tough bully too huh? That's exactly what bullies' attitudes are, that they need to show their toughness. Well obviously this kid wasn't just made fun of. He was terrorized every day at school, where he has been beaten up just for talking. There's a clear difference between the two. It's your fvcking attitude that makes these kids feel so helpless, because when they go search for help, they are basically told to tough it out.
Maybe you are the one that should free some of the valuable space you are taking up..[/

lol, I'm a bully? I was bullied too but didn't take it out on innocent students. Instead I just bashed their faces with a soda can.

That was directed to siphexi 😕

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yeah you're a tough bully too huh? That's exactly what bullies' attitudes are, that they need to show their toughness. Well obviously this kid wasn't just made fun of. He was terrorized every day at school, where he has been beaten up just for talking. There's a clear difference between the two. It's your fvcking attitude that makes these kids feel so helpless, because when they go search for help, they are basically told to tough it out.
Maybe you are the one that should free some of the valuable space you are taking up..[/

lol, I'm a bully? I was bullied too but didn't take it out on innocent students. Instead I just bashed their faces with a soda can.

That was directed to siphexi 😕

"You're a bully too huh?" would imply that it was directed at me as well, since Sphexi quoted me previously.

 

[yhelothar]

If you want to look at it that way. But I meant you're also a bully over all the other bullies in the world.

 

[MyThirdEye]

The kid was a self-hating emo Goth. That douche-bag got what he deserved. If you're bullied, you should have enough common sense to tell somebody, or, like HamburgerBoy said, beat their face in. Most bullies are just doing that because they're insecure about themselves. We had this bully at school last year (I'm in 8th grade at the moment); and he always picked on me and a couple of my friends. This kid was a major jock/wrestler i love you, and so he was giving me dead-legs, and i got sick of it and owned him in the face. He hasn't touched me since.

Moral of the story is: Don't be a sissy.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
The kid was a self-hating emo Goth. That douche-bag got what he deserved. If you're bullied, you should have enough common sense to tell somebody, or, like HamburgerBoy said, beat their face in. Most bullies are just doing that because they're insecure about themselves. We had this bully at school last year (I'm in 8th grade at the moment); and he always picked on me and a couple of my friends. This kid was a major jock/wrestler i love you, and so he was giving me dead-legs, and i got sick of it and owned him in the face. He hasn't touched me since.

Moral of the story is: Don't be a sissy.

holy sh1t, a 13/14 year old with some comon sense.

 

[topslop1]

Highschool does suck - I'm living proof of that b.s.